brazil Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 Interesting interview by Noam Chomsky. It's not about condoning any acts of violence as Israel apologists and Islamaphobes (lbr a lot of people's position in this conflict in narrated by their Islamaphobia / prejudice towards brown people) - it's about recognizing the situation as it is and upholding international law.
brazil Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, FOCK said: There is just way too much oversight on behalf of the Israeli intelligence coming out with these reports. It’s much too soon to dabble in, but some are beginning to theorise that this was purposely overlooked as Bibi is in a tight spot of having to appease his far right wing cabinet by wiping out more of Gaza, in order to remain in power and avoid his looming imprisonment. If that is the case, the entire thing is even more horrific & shows disregard to even his own citizens lives, in favour of goals of expansion. Israel is not safe under Bibi - and ironically, Jewish outlets don’t shy away from reporting as such, as opposed to western media. This really isn't far-fetched. It has been confirmed that Egypt informed Israel of potential attack in Gaza days prior. It's also baffling one of world best armies would be so ill prepared to defend themselves from an attack coming from a place that is completely enclosed by their own military.
airplane Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Komet blu said: 📰 Top US lawmaker affirms Cairo warned Israel days before onslaught A top US legislator gave further credence Wednesday to assertions that Cairo had warned Israel of looming major violence by Hamas, three days before Gaza’s ruling terror group caught Israeli forces off-guard and massacred over 1,200 Israelis. Republican Michael McCaul, chairman of the powerful US House Foreign Affairs Committee, said: “We know that Egypt… warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen.” Speaking to reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing for lawmakers on the crisis, he added: “I don’t want to get too much into classified [details], but a warning was given. “I think the question was at what level.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-us-lawmaker-affirms-cairo-warned-israel-days-before-onslaught/ Netanyahu OUT I hope someone reveals the “classified details” soon. I mean there were reports that Hamas was training and parachuting in broad daylight. You’re telling me that the IDF didn’t see any of that happening? They wanted this attack to happen. It gives Israel the excuse to “retaliate” which is basically committing more genocide at the expense of its own citizens, gaslight the public and change the media narrative. They’ve suceeded (unfortunately) Edited October 11, 2023 by airplane 1
mystery Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Communion said: You're proving the point that the vast majority of the world thinks a two state solution and creation of a sovereign Palestinian state is the minimum place negotiations need to get to to solve this, besides *spins wheel* the US and Israel itself, who demand the eradication of Palestine. And the difference in what drives both sides when faced with the reality that, to Israel, support can only be quantified as those who agree in not wanting Palestine to exist versus, to Palestine, support being who recognizes that Palestine also has a right to exist Well yes I am that was my intention with what I posted. I agree with that being a solution. My point was to disprove the tweet that presented the map in a way that equates recognition as full backing or lack of the same. Which is untrue. Obviously there is a level of influence acting on certain countries to have a similar approach to the situation but even that falls through when you see the disagreements of countries within the EU on how to handle the situation regarding Palestine aid. The tweet also tries to make it a good vs bad thing which is ridiculous considering countries like Russia, China, Turkey, Azerbaijan and many others are doing exactly what Israel is doing to Palestinians. I don't see why those countries should be celebrated and portrayed as "fighting the good fight" for recognizing Palestine when they are doing the same at this very moment.
Kassi Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 58 minutes ago, LookinAssHittas said: No. The only solution would be to end the illegal occupation of Palestine and create a one-state where both Israelis & Palestinians have equal rights. Palestinians don’t want Jews in the region at all. Let alone equal rights. So that’s a non-starter. Keep up! They didn’t want one state with them in charge living side by side with Jews. They didn’t want two states with each in charge living side by side with Jews. So they’re going to have to accept one state with Jews in charge living side by side with Jews. (at least in the short term) 2 1 6
Thickorita Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 The rhetoric by the UK and the EU is downright genocidal. Awful awful awful. 1
Thickorita Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kassi said: So they’re going to have to accept one state with Jews in charge "So they're going to have to accept being second class citizens in a system of apartheid" 4
Kassi Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Thickorita said: "So they're going to have to accept being second class citizens in a system of apartheid" No one said they have to be condemned into second class citizenship. That’s the purpose that self-administered regions and enclaves would serve. Think of it as a state within a country if that helps. Ultimate authority rolls up to the Israeli national government, but day to day life is handled at a local level. 2
BlueTimberwolf Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Espresso said: The Biden Admin better be careful. So many of the people claiming to "Stand With Israel" during this rampage will be singing a different tune if Iran and the other Arab nations get involved. Let's see how many of them actually support boots on the ground.
JustLikeHoney Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, State of Grace. said: There is a huge difference between "babies were beheaded" and "babies were killed". Literally not a single soul here is denying the latter? It's still ******* awful. It is however very important to point out that the former fabricated claim was made to portray Palestinians as "barbaric, violent, and blood-thirsty Arabs" giving Israel an easy "excuse" that they’ll use for committing further genocide against Palestinian children, women, and civilians. Notice how this fake claim already has more reports internationally than the +260 children killed in Gaza. Children's death is disgusting. It doesn't matter how it happened. I do not want to see any child die. You are right, that claim should have been verified before being on the news. Journalistic standards need to be at their highest so that propaganda isn't used. 2
Aethereal Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) I need to add that while Israel is responsible for inciting the Hamas, antisemitism in Arab world used to exist before the Israel state was created. Additionally Israel's violent policies have culminated the Palestinian's disdain for Israel to the point that many of them wrath revenge. With a less secure border chances are that the attacks like this will increase. I'll be happy to be proven otherwise. And there is also Israel who instead of softening the situation use this to support their aggression towards Palestine which results in even more death and more toxicity. Edited October 11, 2023 by Aristotle 1
LookinAssHittas Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Aristotle said: I need to add that while Israel is responsible for inciting the Hamas, antisemitism in Arab world used to exist before the Israel state was created. Additionally Israel's violent policies have culminated the Palestinian's disdain for Israel to the point that many of them wrath revenge. With a less secure border chances are that the attacks like this will increase. I'll be happy to be proven otherwise. And there is also Israel who instead of softening the situation use this to support their aggression towards Palestine which results in even more death and a more toxicity. So instead of supporting integration & reconciliation… you support upholding the racist, apartheid regime of the State of Israel? The way y’all will find any type of excuse to justify the occupation is insane. 3
Aethereal Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, LookinAssHittas said: So instead of supporting integration & reconciliation… you support upholding the racist, apartheid regime of the State of Israel? The way y’all will find any type of excuse to justify the occupation is insane. No I did not say that you weirdo. 2
airplane Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 42 minutes ago, Kassi said: Hamas don’t want Jews in the region at all. Let alone equal rights. So that’s a non-starter. Keep up! How about you stop associating Hamas’ objectives with the aspirations of innocent Palestinian’s?
LookinAssHittas Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Aristotle said: No I did not say that you weirdo. So then what do you think is a just solution to the occupation of Palestine?
airplane Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: But, whatever... Biden (a psychotic zionist) confirmed it so must be true Edited October 11, 2023 by airplane 1
Aethereal Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LookinAssHittas said: So then what do you think is a just solution to the occupation of Palestine? Ideally the apartheid should end without any innocent people being involved but I don't have any idea how can Hamas be replaced with a different ruling elite in Gaza. Edited October 11, 2023 by Aristotle 2
Eat The Acid Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Nova_23 said: People justifying Israel bombing civilians because they gave them a warning like y’all really don’t give a **** about people and it shows Sis you’re giving people too much credit. Let’s be real here - they don’t give a **** about brown/arab people. There’s a history of the world just not caring about Arab countries and the war crimes and atrocities happening there. The fact IDF have continuously displaced, murdered, tortured, committed human rights violations against Palestinians and the world stayed quiet up until this week - speaks volumes about the world racial prejudice and biases. It’s disgusting. Every life matters. It needs to be acknowledged that he’s Hamas is a terrorist organisation and they’re pieces of ****. They should be condemned and strategies to prevent them for committing future attacks should absolutely be in place. What’s true is Israel absolutely has a right to defend itself. However, that’s not the entire truth. The truth is Israel is an apartheid state that has displaced and murdered millions of Palestinians through decades of displacement, human rights violations, outright terrorist actions and apartheid regime. It’s time to acknowledge that the IDF and the state of Israel is also a terrorist organisation and that the victims here are the innocent regular citizens of Israel and Palestine are being murdered due to the agenda of Israel and Hamas. Let’s not forget though that the state of Israel originally funded Hamas and created their own opposing terrorist group. Israel has a lot to be accountable for. To pretend the state of Israel is innocent in all of this and opposing that view is anti semitism is absolutely disingenuous rhetoric and gaslighting those you’re arguing against to condemn one organisation (Hamas) and support another (IDF). It’s hypocritical. Anybody that doesn’t condemn both Hamas and IDF are pieces of ****. They have innocent civilians blood on their hands. 5
family.guy123 Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 Were the reports of Palestinian supporters from other countries (I saw Sweden and Canada) celebrating debunked? If not, what exactly are those people celebrating since it’s become my understanding that Palestinians also suffer under the terrorism of Hamas (in addition to that of IDF). Does that make sense? Like I saw Palestine flags being waved, but aren’t Palestinians suffering even more now as a result of the past few days?
Eat The Acid Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 46 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: The Biden Admin better be careful. So many of the people claiming to "Stand With Israel" during this rampage will be singing a different tune if Iran and the other Arab nations get involved. Let's see how many of them actually support boots on the ground. Thats not gonna happen. Iran will not get involved outside of funding Hamas.
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