news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[nooniebao]

 

[Chemist]

 

[ClashAndBurn]

Oh, look! Yet another fabricated conversation meant to justify the latest atrocities so the West can take them with credulity and like the other way as intended.  

[nooniebao]

 

[welham]

(Another brain-vomit type of moment, feel free to ignore. Will try to stop treating this thread as some personal journal for my thoughts lol)

 

I passed by a kid carrying two large bags on his shoulders, and I felt so ******* slimey just passing by him and not offer to do anything. I definitely wouldn't have known what do say or do even if I stopped, but it just felt so ******* wrong. These kids are usually Palestinian kids from the West Bank being exploited and made to "work" by begging people or selling random stuff near street lights -sometimes standing in the middle of the road. Sometimes they're also kids from the Palestinian residents of Israel, but most of the time no one really knows what their origin is. I know I sound like a privileged white liberal performatively fawning concern for minorities for the sake of gathering sympathy and brownie points; but as a Palestinian myself and with everything going on, I kind of felt disgusting. Just **** about myself. Donating to Gazans has little-to-no-effect as a Palestinian resident of Israel (as Gaza is effectively cut-off from us), and it makes me sick to my ******* stomach just thinking about my people suffering in the incoming winter. Homeless, barely any food or water, no shelter, and exposed to the cold and harsh elements. Winter is literally coming, and my people will only suffer more. At least the rain will alleviate some of their water needs, but these benefits might pale in comparison to the extra suffering that they might experience soon. As if what they're experiencing isn't ******* enough as it is.

 

I immedietly asked around if I could donate clothes (winter clothes for current use and summer clothes for later use next year). I have a sh*t-ton of clothes that are either old or were never worn, and my mom has been hassling me to sort my closet out anyways. I'm increasingly feeling like crying. My people are dehumanized so ******* much, and the most foreign governments are willing to do is MAYBE pay lip-service and donate what is essentially a band-aid to a gashing wound that is bleeding uncontrollably. And here I am, doing something very small in the grand scheme of things, because it's the most I could really do (and to a large degree, the most I'm allowed to). 

 

But as useless and small I feel, I still feel a glimmer of hope. Never in my life did I feel this feeling of solidarity with my own people to this degree. It might be purely anectodal, but I feel like Israel really ****** itself over. Not just internationally, but internally as well. People might be afraid to speak up for fear of prosecution, but the absolute rabidness and savagery that it is showing to civilians from Gaza to West Bank, and prosecuting Palestinian residents of Israel for the most basic humanitarian messages, it's simply solidifying the Palestinian question and identity in so many people. God knows that is happening with me. Even the most secular Israeli dreamed that Palestinian residents would eventually detach themselves from the Palestinian identity and simply refer to themselves as Arabs, accepting our minority position as simply Arabs. Not a specific sub-identity of Arabs, like the Lebanese, Jordinians, or Egyptians for example. Just... Arabs. In the most general sense. Right wingers would meanwhile cream their pants at the idea of humiliating us and make us submit, like some weird sexual power play of sorts where they thrive off our submission. Well guess ******* what. NO. To both.

 

If you can find a charity that donates clothes and other winter necessities, not just food and water, please consider donating those as well. Not sure if they would even reach Gazans, but one can only hope. Thank you for everyone who already donated, protested, and made my people visible. I had more to write, but this post as long as it is lol.

[welham]

 

 

[More Than A Melody]

4 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

Hostages are propably beneath the earth somewhere in the laberynth of tunnels that Hamas use, so the bombings shouldn’t be affecting them. I hope most of them can be rescued.

Do you not see the irony in this?

[More Than A Melody]

18 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

 

Is Jeremy Corbyn the only relatively humane British politician? Sadiq Khan has been so hot and cold and the rest of Labour is a mess.

[Space Cowboy]

2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

You think Hamas is keeping hostages in a safer place than the Palestinian civilians that are getting blown to pieces on the surface?  

 

 

Yes. Hamas don’t care about its palestine civilians. The hostages are actually useful for them.

[ZIVERT]

Another epic freedom fighter moment from Hamas

 

 

[BorderBoy]

7 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Is Jeremy Corbyn the only relatively humane British politician? Sadiq Khan has been so hot and cold and the rest of Labour is a mess.

 

Yes, he's pro-Palestine and has always been.

[More Than A Melody]

4 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Another epic freedom fighter moment from Hamas

 

 

Infidel Jews. As in, Jews who have abandoned their faith to commit atrocities. There are literally Palestinian Jews...

[ClashAndBurn]

 

 

[State of Grace.]

Another Nakba happening in real time and we have failed them once AGAIN. This is literally what ethnic cleansing is. Shame shame shame

 

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by State of Grace.

[Both Sides Now]

16 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Another Nakba happening in real time and we have failed them once AGAIN. Shame shame shame

 

 

Yep and the Zionist narrative spin is that “they are escaping Hamas not the 10s of thousands of Israeli bombs being rained upon schools, hospitals and mosques. Israel gave them safe passage to become refugees!” This was clearly the Israeli objective unless you have a case of brain-rot (which several people here clearly do). 
 

How dystopian to see this play out in real time. The utter loss of our collective humanity aside, the West’s actions have undoubtedly cost the Dems the presidency and we will see a wave of far-right uprisings across Europe with an impeding refugee crisis. Plus the loss of focus on Ukraine’s struggle against Russian invasion. Not to mention the instability across the Arab world. 
 

Is it really worth it?

Edited November 8, 2023 by Both Sides Now

[ClashAndBurn]

 

[Both Sides Now]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

 

…An Israeli govt minister openly suggested dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza. What word are we supposed call that? They have lost it. 

[Shelter]

55 minutes ago, Space Cowboy said:

Yes. Hamas don’t care about its palestine civilians. The hostages are actually useful for them.

Israel don’t care about the hostages. 
 

I see Ireland is the only country in EU that Israel haven’t put on the list to let Irish leave Gaza. See the way they want to control everything because Ireland has been the most outspoken? They are disgusting. 

[VOSS]

Free Palestine from Hamas.

[ClashAndBurn]

1 minute ago, VOSS said:

Free Palestine from Hamas.

You say this as if without Hamas, Palestine wouldn't be under a constant state of occupation and/or blockade.

 

Newsflash, even if Hamas is vanquished (which it won't be, since that's not Israel's actual goal), the realistic outcomes will be either never-ending occupation or permanent expulsion into the Sinai. They will never be free under the current trajectory, whether it's under Hamas or under Israel.

 

Yet here you are, covering for Israel like Joe Biden and John Kirby.

[Kitty Kat]

1 hour ago, Shelter said:

I see Ireland is the only country in EU that Israel haven’t put on the list to let Irish leave Gaza. See the way they want to control everything because Ireland has been the most outspoken? They are disgusting. 

This isn't confirmed as of yet but wouldn't surprised me if it ended up being the case.

[Communion]

Literal imprisonment and re-education camps for Israeli Arabs in Israel for simply existing.

The irony would be funny if not for the fact that the West still thinks it has credibility on human rights despite the Israel-Palestine contradiction erasing any they had

 

 

[Communion]

48 minutes ago, VOSS said:

Free Palestine from Hamas.

It's genuinely wild how the idea of Western manifest destiny and Western superiority can take normal, sensible liberals and turn them into caricatures of early 2000s anti-Arab racism straight out of the War on Terror.  The mental gymnastics it must take for someone who in their mind earnestly fashions themselves as good-hearted and on the right side of history to constantly contort and rationalize away the implication that 10,000s of people deserve to die just to make settler-colonialism work.

 

Am I meant to think those who were silent over the US illegally freezing all bank accounts of the Afghan people care about when leaders force people into abject poverty?

 

[Nova_23]

When do the Palestinian hostages get returned? Or does Israel also get to kidnap and imprison civilians in the west bank as a form of “SeLf DeFenSe”

 

Free Palestine from Israel. 

 

[VOSS]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

It's genuinely wild how the idea of Western manifest destiny and Western superiority can take normal, sensible liberals and turn them into caricatures of early 2000s anti-Arab racism straight out of the War on Terror.  The mental gymnastics it must take for someone who in their mind earnestly fashions themselves as good-hearted and on the right side of history to constantly contort and rationalize away the implication that 10,000s of people deserve to die just to make settler-colonialism work.

 

Am I meant to think those who were silent over the US illegally freezing all bank accounts of the Afghan people care about when leaders force people into abject poverty?

 

Oh don't you worry I'm strongly opposed to the Israeli government and their actions. But some people in here need to be reminded that Hamas are not the good guys and they don't care about the Palestinian people.