news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Cloröx]

17 minutes ago, Delirious said:

Article posted 4 hours ago of a statement by Israel's Emergency worker:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12703453/Hamas-killers-roasted-babies-oven.html

 

At the beginning you guys said babies weren't beheaded and then photos of burnt baby corpses were released.

 

Then you guys said it wasnt actually a photo of a beheaded baby and theyre faked images and used the puppy image from 4chan as evidence when that puppy image was actually manipulating the original image.

 

Then a week later, they provide evidence of many beheaded baby's heads burnt to a crisp. But you guys are saying it's AI generated or fake again. Do we see a pattern here?

The only pattern here is Israel is so inconsistent with evidences and keeps contradicting themselves

[Cloröx]

3 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

I guess your supporting genocide also because thats Hamas current goal you refuse to denounce and who also want no ceasfire.

 

They are doing special operations though and were doing that before they went into gaza? 

At the very beginning of the thread I'm fully supporting ceasefire and Hamas also very opens for negotiation and even offers ceasefire but guess who reject all those things - ISISrael. 

Did you miss the train because all your info kinda outdated 

[Cloröx]

6 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

Well done they still committed a terrorist act that you refuse to denounce. Hamas has fired 8k rockets in a month and killed 1400 people do you denounce that? 

Go back and read the thread from the very first page. I have no time to keep repeating myself over and over again

[Delirious]

I mean even after all the photographical evidence, these people still won't believe them.

 

I mean what can you do? There's no point in arguing.

 

Oh and for the record @Communion, I don't hate Muslims but do you wanna know what I do hate? The ideology of Communism!

[Redstreak]

18 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

As I said before, I personally would probably suck it up and still vote Biden, were I given the chance BUT, I also have come to this conclusion

 

When I want to declutter my house, first I have to make a mess. Sometimes you have to go through a tough time in order to get a better result. Four years of Trump would be devastating, but imo, continuing with the status quo will never lead to a change. Perhaps it's worth it to endure Trump for four years if it kicks the dems into gear. It's very possible it won't be worth it at all. I'm personally not willing to bear the guilt of finding out, but I can't say I judge those who do.

We already had trump for four years, we got genocide Joe out of it

[Gaia]

52 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

I've never seen Piers so quiet, not even a single word for five minutes 

 

 

He’s very well spoken and I love that he explains the context and backstory instead of just saying “IDF bad” 

 

The best way to get Western sympathy is to show that this is a Western caused problem. 
 

This is so much more effective than speaking through emotions as I’m sure he’s as gut wrenched as the rest of pro-Palestinians but whenever I see him speaking it’s always coming off as educated and respectful. His goal seems to genuinely be to educate and not just act as moral police like some people in this thread that think insulting other people that don’t fully agree with them does anything. 
 

Respect that man  

Edited November 3, 2023 by Gaia

[Delirious]

24 minutes ago, airplane said:

The only pattern i see here is you coming in here to post about bullshit that was already debunked but its crickets regarding the massacre in Gaza. I think we all know where you stand.

 

Israel has been caught fabricating “evidence” so many times and yet you still keep spewing their lies and bullshit

Bullshit that's already debunked? Like the tonnes of photographical evidence I posted?

 

Which was 'supposedly' debunked by using an AI image checker which has an accuracy rate of 20% or less, or the time when you guys used the 4chan puppy picture as evidence of debunking the photos?

 

Or the time when the IDF bombing the hospital theory was debunked by various international official sources? And the time when NYT tried to cope with irrelevant video evidence which the Washington Post debunked?

Edited November 3, 2023 by Delirious

[ClashAndBurn]

Just now, Redstreak said:

We already had trump for four years, we got genocide Joe out of it

The alternative to Trump in 2016, Hillary Clinton, would have been even more genocidal towards Palestinians than Joe, I’d bet. Wouldn’t even be surprised if America would have committed boots on the ground already to making pre-emotive strikes on Hezbollah and Iran.

[Cloröx]

This is too much 

Spoiler

 

 

 

[ForgottenSoul]

18 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

At the very beginning of the thread I'm fully supporting ceasefire and Hamas also very opens for negotiation and even offers ceasefire but guess who reject all those things - ISISrael. 

Did you miss the train because all your info kinda outdated 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-01/ty-article/hamas-official-we-will-repeat-october-7-attacks-until-israel-is-annihilated/0000018b-8b9d-db7e-af9b-ebdfbee90000

 

Sure seems like they want a ceasfire you right. 

[Cloröx]

5 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-01/ty-article/hamas-official-we-will-repeat-october-7-attacks-until-israel-is-annihilated/0000018b-8b9d-db7e-af9b-ebdfbee90000

 

Sure seems like they want a ceasfire you right. 

So you simply ignored the fact that Israel rejected ceasefire the prisoners/hostages exchange last week. It's pretty clear the current stand is reaction after Israel's complete rejection on any offer including saving its own citizens. You guys truly in denial when I say Israel doesn't really care about its own people.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/30/israel-hamas-war-live-palestinian-death-toll-gaza-rises-above-8000

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Delirious said:

Article posted 4 hours ago of a statement by Israel's Emergency worker:

Again, I know illiteracy is a pandemic, but I am not going to repeat myself for those who can read but choose not to. 

 

You were literally linked to statements from Israeli journalists calling the claims not substantiated. The below person is literally a journalist for Haaretz. 

 

 

but you do this circular atrocity porn propaganda on purpose.

 

You spam and spam baseless claims and then argue that's what you really meant when the facts turn out different and there's no material difference and detractors are just terrorists apologists because there's no real difference between a charred baby's body due to being burned alive in an oven and a charred baby's body due to being burned from a rocket impact (no difference yet real invesent from you in it having to be the former).

 

All of this is an intentional distraction from the facts that this violence has its root cause in the Israeli occupation, that all 3rd parties must call for a ceasefire for the violence to stop, and Israeli apartheid must end via the dissolving of the Jewish apartheid state for a secular and democratic one.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Communion

[réveuse]

3 hours ago, VilsonMuqa said:

14 BILLION ARE U ******* KIDDING MEEEEE????? Omggggg

 

WTF JUST HAPPENED?

[réveuse]

19 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

This is too much 

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This is cruel, evil, and sick.

[Natawie]

 

 

[Cloröx]

Hezbollah chief Nasrullah is giving his speech right now

[Communion]

9 hours ago, Delirious said:

Well technically the IDF is very wrong for killing lots of innocent civilians in Gaza so you have to consider that as well.

"TECHNICALLY"!!!!

 

Inter-generational family trauma from having conservative Muslim relatives? Apparently the worst thing in the world, justifies calling for the subjugation of Muslims worldwide, etc.

 

Israel as a genocidal state performing ethnic cleansing? "Well that's technically bad too"

 

??? You're ******* lost. 

[Natawie]

2 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Hezbollah chief Nasrullah is giving his speech right now

He is spitting straight fire. 

 

 

 

[réveuse]

I don't want to live in this sick, evil world. I hate this bullcrap. F Israel, F the United States, F Zionists, F genocide Biden, F all the people supporting genocide, and I hope these evil people suffer in hell.

[VilsonMuqa]

8 minutes ago, réveuse said:

WTF JUST HAPPENED?

Biden, is ready to send 14billion $, mostly from us taxes, for the war in israel

[réveuse]

Just now, VilsonMuqa said:

Biden, is ready to send 14billion $, mostly from us taxes, for the war in israel

Oh, my god. Americans' tax money is going to this, which is truly evil.

[Mezik]

If someone can assist me with my ignorance, but why do Jewish people keep insisting on they are native to the land of Israel?

 

Everything I read clearly states that Palestinians are the natives of the land, but I always get "Judea existed" or "history goes beyond 1948" or "you're being anti semitic for not recognizing Jews always existed there".

 

However, I cannot find a single piece of literature (that isn't from zionist scholars) that indicates this?

[Cloröx]

LMAO 

 

 

[Dialamba]

4 minutes ago, Mezik said:

If someone can assist me with my ignorance, but why do Jewish people keep insisting on they are native to the land of Israel?

 

Everything I read clearly states that Palestinians are the natives of the land, but I always get "Judea existed" or "history goes beyond 1948" or "you're being anti semitic for not recognizing Jews always existed there".

 

However, I cannot find a single piece of literature (that isn't from zionist scholars) that indicates this?

I’m not a pro and someone can add some information or correct me 

 

but I think thousand years ago, the land was occupied but the Jews then they eventually left years later.  

[Harrier]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

 

This is largely the issue, though I appreciate the growth @Aristotle has had on the topic.

 

The plans for a Jewish state in Argentina, Uganda, etc. all would have had the same issues because they still involved mass migration and displacement. The issue with Zionists who try to compare Zionism to self-determination of indigenous groups is that the struggles simply don't line up due to amalgamating all subsets of the religion.

 

It'd be like folding every native American and Canadian population into one and suggesting there'd be some mass native homeland in Alaska (also already home to another indigenous people!) for all of them to have as one. 

 

The sales pitch of Zionisn as a movement of indigeneity fails because it asks people to believe the native Mizrahi population is somehow connected to a "diaspora" that's just an Ashkneazi population who has spent the last 2,000 years within the hills and farmlands of Europe. How is... *spins wheel* a 21-year-old Jewish man from Brooklyn *spins wheel* whose lineage sees the last 2,000 years spent in what is today Poland *spins wheel* somehow entitled to not only replace a Palestinian person whose family has been there for 400-500 years but also steal the literal house they're living in?

 

But Zionists aren't asking for a separate Ashkenazi state in Poland, a Mizrahi state in the Levant, etc. And when you point out this contradiction, they'd likely retort with: "Ethnicity is a social construct, built around shared language and culture, which all of the Jewish people have!". So.. it went from genocide via blood right to genocide via social construct? 

 

Let alone that much of them won't willingly own up to that it's not about blood right or shared culture for many of them but religious prophecy, which makes the silence of ATRL's very vocal "anti-religion" members so... interesting!

I'm not sure I fully agree with this as there simply would not have been the extent of displacement and violence that occured in 1948 had Israel been created in a country with more land and less population desnsity, and also without the religious element that enters due to Palestine being a holy land of three of the world's major religions.

 

I of course agree with you that Zionism is a disatrous failed movement and dangerous ideology in 2023, and that a colonialist project is inevitably violent in its inceptionary years. But I think it is probably fair to say it would have been a less disastrous and probably not an ongoing situation had it been in Argentina or Uganda. Degrees of failure, let's say.

 

Also, I will always maintain some level of empathy for a the appeal of zionism to a post-WW2 Jewish refugee, whether that is popular in here or not. If you were in 1946, could you really look a Jewish person in the eye and tell them they can't have a state because ethnonationalism is bad? After their people were nearly wiped off the face of the earth? It's difficult. And it's very easy for us to do so sitting here in 2023 with 75 years of hindsight and history of the occupation. In my ideal world, Israel should have been created in Poland or East Germany, as reparations for the actions of those governments during the war.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I despise Zionism, especially for its manifestations in 2023, I just hope we can extend empathy to the Jewish people of the past. The holocaust's impact on the pysche of a people shouldn't be underestimated.