news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[FOCK]

Just, an outstanding conversation.

I despise Piers with every fibre of my being, and regardless of his self interest reasoning for these chats & these clicks, I’m elated that there is at least a platform of this magnitude & a chance for this perspective to be heard. 

 

 

[Gaia]

2 hours ago, Chemist said:

So much cruelty but at least the mask is off, they do not care about Palestinians and do no want a 2 state solution

 

 

I don’t understand the logic. This is exactly why people are saying we need a 2 state solution and NOT a one state solution. Israel’s government officials have NO desire to let Palestinians stay in Israel. That is obvious. So people say “Israel needs to be dissolved” are completely ignoring what’s in front of them and living in lala land. 
 

But if the US and other Western countries forced Israel to allocate certain parts of Israel as an official sovereign Palestine then Palestinians would have a place to go besides be refugees to other countries. 
 

The problem is no one is forcing Israel to consider a 2 state solution. They’re just recommending it knowing Israel doesn’t want it. They want to have their cake and eat it too. 

[Letemtalk]

The Gaza death toll appears to have passed 8,500 with no end in sight.

For reference, the death toll from the Srebrenica massacre in 1995 was 8,372.

[More Than A Melody]

14 minutes ago, Gaia said:

I don’t understand the logic. This is exactly why people are saying we need a 2 state solution and NOT a one state solution. Israel’s government officials have NO desire to let Palestinians stay in Israel. That is obvious. So people say “Israel needs to be dissolved” are completely ignoring what’s in front of them and living in lala land. 
 

But if the US and other Western countries forced Israel to allocate certain parts of Israel as an official sovereign Palestine then Palestinians would have a place to go besides be refugees to other countries. 
 

The problem is no one is forcing Israel to consider a 2 state solution. They’re just recommending it knowing Israel doesn’t want it. They want to have their cake and eat it too. 

For the umpteenth time, are you deliberately obtuse?

 

THIS. IS. THE. TWO. STATE. SOLUTION. Israel will absolutely NOT rest until they wipe Palestine out of the map and get the entire territory. That has been their goal since the 1800s. They have NO interest in partitioning the land. A two state solution is what you're looking at (regardless of Palestine's statehood, they have partitioned land now). Israel lying and deceiving and provoking until they're allowed to have the entire land. Displacing and murdering millions if necessary. How do you not get it by now? How many more people have to die? How many more war crimes does Israel have to commit?

 

"If the US forces Israel to..." girl, the UN did that in 1948 and this is what we have right now. The UN considers the West Bank occupied by Israel. The reason Israel is obligated to provide water and electricity to Gaza it's that they're blockading it. This is what it looks like when a two state solution is enforced by the west.

 

Without diplomatic intervention this will never stop, not until there's a fully executed genocide. Israel needs to be dissolved. The idea of a majority Jewish ethnostate has to be abandoned forever. If those motivations aren't erased this will NOT CHANGE.

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[Cloröx]

 

[Lil Mxnster]

Even if Israel's government had the right  to defend its people after Hamás counterattack... How many more bombs do they have to drop on neighbourhoods, hospitals, refugee camps to be pleased?  Meanwhile, Western democracies stare at the Palestinian genocide without doing a sh*t. 

[Letemtalk]

When people say "two-state" solution, what they usually mean is, let's have another 20 years of talks that will go nowhere, while millions more settlers arrive in the West Bank to steal Palestinian land.

 

But that is what has already happened following the Oslo accords, more and more settlements.

 

Most people realise that the window for a two state solution disappeared at least 20 years ago, so these days people talk about the "one state reality". Israel controls all the land between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean, so there is effectively one state.

 

The only question is, will we have:

 

1. One state with democracy and equal rights for all
2. One state with ethnic cleansing
3. One state with Apartheid
4. One state with Bantustans

 

It seems clear that Israel will implement ethnic cleansing for Gaza and if they can't do the same in the West Bank, they will purse a combination of Apartheid and Bantustans. Not many people in the US care about democracy and human rights, so America will support whichever solution Israel choose.

[FOCK]

17 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

For the umpteenth time, are you deliberately obtuse?

 

THIS. IS. THE. TWO. STATE. SOLUTION. Israel will absolutely NOT rest until they wipe Palestine out of the map and get the entire territory. That has been their goal since the 1800s. They have NO interest in partitioning the land. A two state solution is what you're looking at (regardless of Palestine's statehood, they have partitioned land now). Israel lying and deceiving and provoking until they're allowed to have the entire land. Displacing and murdering millions if necessary. How do you not get it by now? How many more people have to die? How many more war crimes does Israel have to commit?

 

"If the US forces Israel to..." girl, the UN did that in 1948 and this is what we have right now. The UN considers the West Bank occupied by Israel. The reason Israel is obligated to provide water and electricity to Gaza it's that they're blockading it. This is what it looks like when a two state solution is enforced by the west.

 

Without diplomatic intervention this will never stop, not until there's a fully executed genocide. Israel needs to be dissolved. The idea of a majority Jewish ethnostate has to be abandoned forever. If those motivations aren't erased this will NOT CHANGE.

They’d sooner justify displacing 8 million native Palestinians than to consider the thought that Ishmail can go back to Brooklyn with his American citizenship. The logic really just does not compute after decades of brainwashing by their propaganda & “educational” curriculum. 
 

Fun fact: Israel is destination numero uno for Pdfiles fleeing prosecution in the good ol’ US of A. No questions asked. Welcome. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by FOCK

[More Than A Melody]

1 minute ago, FOCK said:

They’d sooner justify displacing 8 million native Palestinians than to consider the thought that Ishmail can go back to Brooklyn with his American citizenship. The logic really just does not compute after decades of brainwashing by their propaganda & “educational” curriculum. 
 

Fun fact: Israel is destination numero uno for Pdfiles fleeing prosecution in the good ol’ US of A. No questions asked. Welcome. 

The fact that any person of the most obscure Jewish heritage can claim benefits to move to Israel but there are millions of Palestinians who aren't ALLOWED to go back to their land, even if they only left in the last half a decade, and no one does anything about it, is legitimately insane.

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[Cloröx]

She's crying 

 

 

[RihRihGirrrl]

1 hour ago, More Than A Melody said:

The fact that any person of the most obscure Jewish heritage can claim benefits to move to Israel but there are millions of Palestinians who aren't ALLOWED to go back to their land, even if they only left in the last half a decade, and no one does anything about it, is legitimately insane.

The only way a one state solution could ever work is if there were an integrated Government with equal representation for Palistians/Isrealis, equal land, equal rights, and a return of millions of Palestinians from the diaspora......but I could only see this happening if the current conflict boiled over into a massive regional war so much so that the call for piece becomes overwhelming within Isreal, puttin extreme pressure on the Isreali Gov and the U.S to agree to a permanent solution. Arab Nations would also have to stand together, on the same accord, and demand an equal 1 state solution. 

 

And the Zionist have to be rooted out as well as any militant groups who refuse to stand down. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by RihRihGirrrl

[Chemist]

 

 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Gaia said:

I don’t understand the logic. This is exactly why people are saying we need a 2 state solution and NOT a one state solution. Israel’s government officials have NO desire to let Palestinians stay in Israel. That is obvious. So people say “Israel needs to be dissolved” are completely ignoring what’s in front of them 

Your continued attempts as a centrist to fake concern over genocide is not believable when you make nonsense, circular logic posts like this, just so you are aware. 

 

That Israel's goal is the eradication of the Palestinian state via the expulsion of the Palestinian people is literally why a 2 state solution will not work. Israel is already operating towards a 1 state solution. Their one state solution though is ethnic cleansing and a nation state where citizenship is determined by ethnicity. 

 

Which is why the only logical and progressive solution to Israeli apartheid is to dissolve the Israeli state as a legal concept. 

 

"Israel's government wants to get rid of all Palestinians" - so you're agreeing the Israeli government apparatus must be dismantled? 

 

Settlers have a material investment in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and that investment will always be protected via the enforcement of apartheid by their supremacist government, and all Israeli governments have been ethnic supremacists.

 

Palestinians won't be free from the threat of ethnic cleansing until the Israeli state is dismantled and Israelis are forced- not to flee-but to live and co-exist side by side with the Arab population of a one state Palestine. 

 

Anyone who rebukes this is simply a Western chauvinist who can't let go of some supremacist idea they have in their head about Israel being a ~flower of democracy in a barbaric Islamic desert~.

Edited November 2, 2023 by Communion

[baelani]

Israel needs to be shunned. With economic sanctions 

[ForgottenSoul]

8 hours ago, naomi24 said:

A ceasefire that allows people time to escape before the violence obliterates them completely.

Stop with the "neither side cares" argument. It's super annoying because you are basically saying- these people are going to die anyway why don't yall just stay silent and let it happen? 

Not everyone can snooty enough to sit in their comfy apartments and argue on and on about why killing of real innocent people is inevitable and/or justified. This is not a movie and you are NOT born with a magic ball that can see the future.

Escape to where?

 

13 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

The fact that you have the gall to call me a "Hamas sympathizer" when my messages are available for anyone to read, and your constant use of strawman fallacies to make a point, make you one of the most infuriating people I've ever encountered. And I'm a Harry Styles fan.

 

I'm adding you to my ignore list. Don't bother engaging with me anymore.

Cya, a typical left-wing person refuses to listen to engage with opinions that are similar but are so fixated on their own opinion they ignore everything else.

 

11 hours ago, Communion said:

Yes, most countries outside of the imperial core would agree the right to resist occupation is a sacred one and that the binary is not "allow yourself to be colonized or be deemed a terrorist organization". 

 

Hamas is the militant government elected by Palestinians in Gaza because they want to be free from Israeli occupation.

Israel is occupying Palestine. Palestine is not occupying Israel. Anything Israel does will be wrong because any and all of their actions will be for the goal of continuing occupation. Israel is the cause of the violence everyone is suffering from.

 

Your bad faith sea-lioning and propaganda will not change that. In fact, your overt propaganda will only continue to radicalize people away from your cause and see your cause be recognized for the genocide it is.

 

How people should respond to you:

 

Do you mean the last election in 2006 where Hamas won then killed opposition leaders and hasn't held an election since? Let's keep in mind the average age in Gaza is young so that would mean people didn't vote for Hamas and the majority disagree with Hamas breaking the ceasfire. Imagine defending a group that wouldn't even allow its people to move into a safer part of Gaza. 

[ForgottenSoul]

2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

For the umpteenth time, are you deliberately obtuse?

 

THIS. IS. THE. TWO. STATE. SOLUTION. Israel will absolutely NOT rest until they wipe Palestine out of the map and get the entire territory. That has been their goal since the 1800s. They have NO interest in partitioning the land. A two state solution is what you're looking at (regardless of Palestine's statehood, they have partitioned land now). Israel lying and deceiving and provoking until they're allowed to have the entire land. Displacing and murdering millions if necessary. How do you not get it by now? How many more people have to die? How many more war crimes does Israel have to commit?

 

"If the US forces Israel to..." girl, the UN did that in 1948 and this is what we have right now. The UN considers the West Bank occupied by Israel. The reason Israel is obligated to provide water and electricity to Gaza it's that they're blockading it. This is what it looks like when a two state solution is enforced by the west.

 

Without diplomatic intervention this will never stop, not until there's a fully executed genocide. Israel needs to be dissolved. The idea of a majority Jewish ethnostate has to be abandoned forever. If those motivations aren't erased this will NOT CHANGE.

Can't help but laugh at someone who thinks Israel should be dissolved and that every single piece of land there is only Palestine land when it's not. Palestine was never actually a country until way after Isreal was founded Both Israel and Palestine people were in that land before Israel/Palestine were made actual "countries".

 

This is clearly not the two-state solution the West or even a lot of Jewish people want. A two-state solution 100% needs to happen I don't see how Palestine or Isreal can live together or are you suggesting the 8 million Israeli people leave? 

Edited November 2, 2023 by ForgottenSoul

[welham]

Sh*t's heating up in the Israeli-Lebanese border 😬

[ForgottenSoul]

 

 

Not sure if what shes saying is correct, but wouldnt be surprised. People here seem to think everyone loves Hamas.

[Cloröx]

 

[Cloröx]

 

 

[ForgottenSoul]

3 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

 

 

Jesus thats hard to watch I support what they are doing against Hamas but bombing schools and refugee areas is disgusting and the West and mainly the US need to tell their puppets what to do. 

[ClashAndBurn]

47 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

Can't help but laugh at someone who thinks Israel should be dissolved and that every single piece of land there is only Palestine land when it's not. Palestine was never actually a country until way after Isreal was founded Both Israel and Palestine people were in that land before Israel/Palestine were made actual "countries".

 

This is clearly not the two-state solution the West or even a lot of Jewish people want. A two-state solution 100% needs to happen I don't see how Palestine or Isreal can live together or are you suggesting the 8 million Israeli people leave? 

The two-state solution won’t happen because Israel doesn’t want it to. Even if the Palestinians were no longer under Hamas control, the Israelis want to push the Palestinians completely out of Gaza into Sinai. They also want West Bank residents to be taken in by Jordan and that will likely be the focus once Gaza has been successfully cleared out.

[RihRihGirrrl]

40 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

 

 

My goodness!! Ugh this is soooooo freakin wrong! I just can't stomach it anymore....these are truely evil people at the helm!!!!!!