news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Cloröx]

You know what, the person behind this account just died from heart attack. Good riddance 

 

 

[naomi24]

46 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

Palestine supporters are really taking their masks off  
 

After dagestians raided an airport looking for arriving Jewish people to attack: 

The silence by leftists has been pretty telling. this will definitely have consequences. 

Posting tweets of crazies from Twitter as if it does anything 

 

The silence of "leftists"over what @IamActuallyAClickbaitGrifter is "telling"........yes telling you that right wingers always scramble to justify their ****** up ideologies by giving such random examples and look like pathetic losers as always.

 

Yawn...come up with something new, clown.

 

[naomi24]

The silence of "leftists" doesn't even matter because news outlets around the world are already jumping in with big headlines to report on the "antisemitic" incident where no one was hurt...while they have been shut up about Israel's ministers talking about "flattening the ground" and calling Palestinians "children of darkness " openly. 

 

Also I wonder why everyone is always making anti Israel stuff as antisemitism but refuses to call anti-Palestine stuff Islamophobic? Why not ... ?? Two can play a game 

[ICLDXU4HS]

6 minutes ago, naomi24 said:

The silence of "leftists" doesn't even matter because news outlets around the world are already jumping in with big headlines to report on the "antisemitic" incident where no one was hurt...while they have been shut up about Israel's ministers talking about "flattening the ground" and calling Palestinians "children of darkness " openly. 

 

Also I wonder why everyone is always making anti Israel stuff as antisemitism but refuses to call anti-Palestine stuff Islamophobic? Why not ... ?? Two can play a game 

Meanwhile, it's crickets in public news media about Israeli civilians attacking that Arab student dorm. 

[Brunette Ambition]

22 minutes ago, naomi24 said:

Posting tweets of crazies from Twitter as if it does anything 

 

The silence of "leftists"over what @IamActuallyAClickbaitGrifter is "telling"........yes telling you that right wingers always scramble to justify their ****** up ideologies by giving such random examples and look like pathetic losers as always.

 

Yawn...come up with something new, clown.

 

People here posted tiktoks of Israelis cosplaying as Palestinians several times. Where was that energy then? 

[Harrier]

4 hours ago, Communion said:

The goal of many Palestinians is largely a one state secular Palestine. 

 

Polls have shown the idea of a two state solution has plummeted in popularity after years of Israeli brutality and Palestinian historians have basically said the Israeli settlers are too embedded into the land. That's why they made the settlements in the first place. It's active colonization. People can preach a 2 state solution is do-able, but if America can't even stop Israel from invading Gaza, which they treat as an open-air prison, how would they convince Israel to pull all of its settlers out of the West Bank, where they actively want that land and see it in their religious dogma as a holy land?

 

Once you realize this, it becomes easier to understand why some Palestinians view the future as the below:

1. Be destroyed out of existence by Israel reaching its ultimate goal of genocide, or;
2. Make life miserable enough for a Zionist state that the settlers don't find it worth occupying anymore

This is not to glorify or romanticize violence, which can be cringe as a Westerner to do, but to acknowledge that much resolution didn't begin in places like South Africa or what is now Zimbabwe until the occupying settlers had to undergo and suffer escalating violence and fear growing political instability. 

 

I mean... that's what Israel does. It makes life unbearable for Palestinians with the intention of forcing them to leave - to make them decide life would be easier in Egypt or Jordan or Lebanon.  Many Jewish leftists have pointed out this contradiction. Jewish Americans can clutch their pearls, but how would they expect their Israeli peers to be able to live the same metropolitan, urban lifestyles they do while on top of a concentration camp? Why wouldn't the Palestinian people decide to turn the metros and city nightlife of Israel into the war zones Israel has given to them?

 

People who try to obscure this as an issue of Islamic terrorism know this. That's why they misframe the situation. Look at the comparisons to 9/11. If there are only 2 likely options, the people who do this are pushing for Option 1.

I hear some of your arguments here sister, but in a secular one state Palestine, how do the illegal settlements end? Reconquest? How is the IDF dissolved if not through more widespread violence than exists now? I just don't see it. 

 

You are right that these settlements are difficult to displace, but I feel that argument also holds equally if not more true in the case of secular Palestine. How do you create this state from where we are in 2023 without massive war and violence that dwarfs even what is happening right now in Gaza? Perhaps it's possible to reach the secular one state solution over a generation, but I just cannot possibly envision it happening any time soon. Israel is too entrenched and there is so much hatred.

 

Also, I would argue that the popularity of the two-state solution is declining not because Israelis/Palestinians see it as an unrealistic idea, but rather because escalating grievances/tensions and Israeli atrocities have just made people angry and cynical about peace. Regardless of your personal view of the situation, both sides have undoubtedly become more radical since the 90s. Additionally, correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never seen polling that shows majority Palestinian support for secular one state Palestine with equal rights for Arabs and Jews. I think the highest I've ever seen was around 35%.

 

I suppose the difference of opinion lies in whether you can view Israel as an entity being capable of modernising and letting go of its apartheid policies, which I do and perhaps you don't. For me, it is easier to envision a situation where Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders under massive international pressure including from the United States; Israel and the IDF ceasing to exist and being subsumed into a secular Palestine? The number one question is just, how?

 

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Also I'll restate that I thoroughly reject your framing of Hamas' terrorism but that is a tired disagreement so let's not get into that.

 

[naomi24]

6 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

People here posted tiktoks of Israelis cosplaying as Palestinians several times. Where was that energy then? 

Yes, but this is not the only thing people here are posting. If you have something valuable to add to the discussion besides some xxyyzz twitter troll opinion then you are also welcome.

[Brunette Ambition]

22 minutes ago, naomi24 said:

The silence of "leftists" doesn't even matter because news outlets around the world are already jumping in with big headlines to report on the "antisemitic" incident where no one was hurt...while they have been shut up about Israel's ministers talking about "flattening the ground" and calling Palestinians "children of darkness " openly. 

 

Also I wonder why everyone is always making anti Israel stuff as antisemitism but refuses to call anti-Palestine stuff Islamophobic? Why not ... ?? Two can play a game 

So news outlets are leftist now?

@ me when Jewish communities in the west raid airports looking for Muslims as if it was the 1930s. I wonder why that never happens. Again, no words of condemnation by the so called progressives. 

[naomi24]

Should we start with how weird it is that the Zionist state's PR department keeps using the suffering of the jewish victims of the Holocaust to justify them oppressing other people in a similar fashion?

 

Like how disgusting is that? To attach all their immoral actions to the names of all those poor victims of one of the biggest tragedies in humankind history. 

 

 

[naomi24]

6 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

So news outlets are leftist now?

@ me when Jewish communities in the west raid airports looking for Muslims as if it was the 1930s. I wonder why that never happens. Again, no words of condemnation by the so called progressives. 

Oh this terrible reading comprehension 

 

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Anyways.. yes...fine! Let me, the president of Leftist associations around the world, give out my statement -

 

I hereby condemn the mobbing of Israeli air passengers in Dagestan. Witch-hunting Israeli citizens does not help Palestinians and only brings bad press to the movement. I hope the United Nations would do all the things to protect Israeli citizens as it did to protect Palestinians. 

 

I also think user @SameeraKhan is annoying. We should take her internet and electricity away like the citizens of Gaza two days ago so that she can't post inflammatory tweets.

 

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 I hope that's all I have to condemn? Or ?

 

 

[More Than A Melody]

8 hours ago, ryoncé said:

you said you dont think Joe is getting re-elected and im saying Joe HAS to be re-elected bc if a Republican wins democracy is over

 

what am i confused about 

Girl, you sound like you're trying to convince ME to vote for him when I don't even have a green card. I'm just telling you he won't be. What do you want me to do about it?

[More Than A Melody]

4 hours ago, Harrier said:

I hear some of your arguments here sister, but in a secular one state Palestine, how do the illegal settlements end? Reconquest? How is the IDF dissolved if not through more widespread violence than exists now? I just don't see it. 

 

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Also I'll restate that I thoroughly reject your framing of Hamas' terrorism but that is a tired disagreement so let's not get into that.

 

With diplomacy an intervention by a not-useless UN. 

[More Than A Melody]

9 hours ago, CottageHore said:

Thank you so much for this thorough explanation. I feel so enlightened and incredibly enraged by all this.

 

Question- so #FreePalestine means, freeing Palestine (both Gaza and West Bank?) from Israel’s power. What would this look like in principle and how would this happen? What could persuade Israel in freeing Palestine?

I left your comment open last night because I wanted to take my time to reply properly.

 

#FreePalestine means freeing all Palestinians, not just the ones in Gaza and the West Bank, but also the millions of displaced Palestinians, who fled or were exiled because of the brutal ethnic cleansing campaigns launched by Israel over the past few decades.

 

People chant "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" which means from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea. This is the entire territory today occupied by Israel. For this reason, people act like that chant is calling for genocide of Israel, which it absolutely doesn't.

 

There are multiple schools of thought in terms of how to solve this. I think the most popular one has always been the Two State solution, in which Palestine is given statehood and the occupation ends on both the West Bank and Gaza. This school of thought is rapidly losing support because it's unlikely to work. First of all, Gaza and the West Bank aren't connected and have a whole chunk of Israel in the middle (I believe Jared Kushner proposed building a tunnel to connect them, the clown). Second of all, it automatically implies Israel takes Jerusalem, where a ton of Palestinians (remember the ranking?) live. And third of all, without international intervention, Hamas and the IDF will continue to duke it out for the rest of eternity, whether Palestine has a state or not. The current situation is what happens when you try to do a two state solution, weirdly partitioning the land and all.

 

The other popular school of thought is what's called a one state solution. This solution needs for the one state to be secular (which Israel currently is not, even the name Israel comes from God's Promised Land).

 

A secular country, with just one form of ID and one form of citizenship, given automatically to everyone who lives in the territory (and to those exiled). You need to also end the birthright campaigns, obviously end the apartheid regime, replace the IDF with normal political institutions (fully terminate the IDF in its current form), give back their homes to displaced Palestinians, and reparations to Palestinians. This new state needs to be heavily controlled and intervened until it can stand on its own (and NOT by the US).

 

It's not a complicated solution. It's a pretty simple concept. It's just hard to actually implement it because Israel's crybabies would probably blow up a small country (any small country, they aren't picky) just hearing the suggestion. But personally, it's the only solution that I can see somewhat succeeding (and it'd probably be bloody for decades, just significantly less bloody than it is right now).

[DAP]

 

[State of Grace.]

There's a video on Twitter of Palestinian workers in the West Bank being blindfolded & bound, stripped naked, dragged and stomped on by IOF soldiers and it's so ******* horrific

[mystery]

The absolute cringe of that one Vampire Diaries actor who flew to Israel to show "the reality on the ground" of what Israelis are going though or whatever.

[vale9001]

 

This is so disgusting 

 

and the ariana grande make up stans were trying to sell us human shields are not used and was only propaganda 

 

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Edited October 31, 2023 by vale9001

[family.guy123]

44 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

There's a video on Twitter of Palestinian workers in the West Bank being blindfolded & bound, stripped naked, dragged and stomped on by IOF soldiers and it's so ******* horrific

Why do you seek out these videos? It’s clear you can’t handle them. I swear every other post by you in here is you being “horrified” at something you chose to look at. (Except for that one where you wished an excruciating death on an Atrl user you were debating with). You’re not earning any points. You’re not making any difference. And you’re not a victim in this situation. All you’re doing is watching snuff films and then advertising them on a pop forum. 

[Shelter]

51 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

There's a video on Twitter of Palestinian workers in the West Bank being blindfolded & bound, stripped naked, dragged and stomped on by IOF soldiers and it's so ******* horrific

Seen it. Disgusting 

[State of Grace.]

2 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

Why do you seek out these videos? It’s clear you can’t handle them. I swear every other post by you in here is you being “horrified” at something you chose to look at. (Except for that one where you wished an excruciating death on an Atrl user you were debating with). You’re not earning any points. You’re not making any difference. And you’re not a victim in this situation. All you’re doing is watching snuff films and then advertising them on a pop forum. 

[bjorn]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJEMoUSM/
 

wtf this is unhinged behaviour 

[Cloröx]

5 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

Why do you seek out these videos? It’s clear you can’t handle them. I swear every other post by you in here is you being “horrified” at something you chose to look at. (Except for that one where you wished an excruciating death on an Atrl user you were debating with). You’re not earning any points. You’re not making any difference. And you’re not a victim in this situation. All you’re doing is watching snuff films and then advertising them on a pop forum. 

He made points, imagine seeing stuff like that and not feel horrified. And I'm glad he posted it here since we have certain members who denied such things, thinking Israel is a saint.

 

[ClashAndBurn]

16 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

Why do you seek out these videos? It’s clear you can’t handle them. I swear every other post by you in here is you being “horrified” at something you chose to look at. (Except for that one where you wished an excruciating death on an Atrl user you were debating with). You’re not earning any points. You’re not making any difference. And you’re not a victim in this situation. All you’re doing is watching snuff films and then advertising them on a pop forum. 

Wishing an excruciating death on a forum poster who compares black women to apes or cheering on excruciating deaths upon thousands of Palestinians. Gee, I wonder which is worse.

[Natawie]

 

[futurenostalgic]

Potentially hundreds killed.