news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[RihRihGirrrl]

17 minutes ago, Eat The Acid said:

They don’t care about Hamas or their own citizens wellbeing. They care about occupation, their political and religious agenda and resources in Gaza that will bring financial gain. Anyone thinking Israel actually care about Hamas or the hostages. There is a far right extreme government. They’re a terrorist organisation out for their own gain. 

Yeah I agree 100%....they are simply using Hamas as an excuse to carpet bomb Gaza and commit a genocide 

[Eat The Acid]

16 minutes ago, FOCK said:

 

 

 

 

Not these Zionists acting exactly like the Zionists here on ATRL. Surprised she wasn’t wearing a genocide Joe badge!

[Shelter]

Very telling. I’d be furious seeing this if my family was one of the hostages. 

[FOCK]

 

[nooniebao]

 

 

[FOCK]

30 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

 

 

I hope he croaks fully cognisant of his shameful legacy & he and his family are denied any respect. 
 

Like, if you’re about to d-word any day, as a president, at least go out doing something revolutionary & positive. Soulless ghoul. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by FOCK

[Almighty Gaga]

3 hours ago, RihRihGirrrl said:

So what will they do when they bomb all of Gaza, kill hundreds of thousands of more civilians, claim victory....and Hamas inevitably releasses a statement saying they are still standing 

That's their plan all along. All of Hamas' officials aren't even in Gaza, they're in Qatar. If Israel's goal is really Hamas, they could get rid of the root in 1 day. But of course it isn't. It's just an excuse to commit genocide.

Edited October 29, 2023 by Almighty Gaga

[vale9001]

24 minutes ago, Almighty Gaga said:

That's their plan all along. All of Hamas' officials aren't even in Gaza, they're in Qatar. If Israel's goal is really Hamas, they could get rid of the root in 1 day. But of course it isn't. It's just an excuse to commit genocide.

Your close source to international intelligence said you this?.

Edited October 29, 2023 by vale9001

[Eat The Acid]

1 hour ago, nooniebao said:

 

 

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, nooniebao said:

 

 

Two cousins of a friend of mine from college were murdered by Israeli bombings last week.  I will never be able to not think of this man as anything other than a genocide supporter. 

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

Your close source to international intelligence said you this?.

I thought a common dig at Palestinians was "Hamas leaders live luxurious lives in Qatar while the people of Gaza starve"?

Are you saying Israel lied when arguing Hamas' top military and political leaders are living lavish in Qatar and are not located in Gaza?

 

So the people of Gaza should abandon Hamas because its leaders have FLED from Gaza but also Israel must bomb Gaza cause they ARE in Gaza?

Edited October 29, 2023 by Communion

[Almighty Gaga]

15 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

Your close source to international intelligence said you this?.

That doesn't require international intelligence though. It's a known fact that most Hamas officials, including Ismail Haniya (current leader) and Khaled Meshaal (former leader) live in Doha, and opened a political office there as far back as 2012. Look it up. Only their fighters are actually in Gaza.

[Aethereal]

The number of dead is over 8,000 and I bet there are barely 50 Hamas members among them. We talk about dead but there are also many more who are traumatized and injured, especially children. Gaza's hospital are also running out of anesthesia, I hope UN aid provides them some of it. 

 

This is not an entertaining drama film, there are actual people who are dying and suffering for you to pick a side with "cool and developed" Israeli government, somebody got to stop this. None of this is helping the hostages. 50,000-70,000 will die if there is no ceasefire. 

[naomi24]

In case anyone hasnt come across this thread yet... just posting some artists supporting palestine in the quotes!

When screaming FACTS doesn't work, you have to paint a picture to spread your message.. 

 

 

 

 

 

[vale9001]

8k deaths is Hamas source.

 

Even 5 civilians dead Is too much but Hama

10 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

The number of dead is over 8,000 and I bet there are barely 50 Hamas members among them. We talk about dead but there are also many more who are traumatized and injured, especially children. Gaza's hospital are also running out of anesthesia, I hope UN aid provides them some of it. 

 

This is not an entertaining drama film, there are actual people who are dying and suffering for you to pick a side with "cool and developed" Israeli government, somebody got to stop this. None of this is helping the hostages. 50,000-70,000 will die if there is no ceasefire. 

I agree with everything 

 

Anyways to clarify: 8k deaths is from an Hamas source. Even 5 civilians death are too much but we don't have to use propogandistic numbers from both side but only exsternal over the parts sources. So be careful with the numbers yo uread, on Twitter and from most user here Is Easy to read about western propoganda while for the same an Hamas source Is instantly a fact. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by vale9001

[Communion]

15 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

8k deaths is Hamas source.

And Hamas' information is more accurate and reliable than anything either the US or Israel could produce.

 

Understand how your genocide denial radicalizes people. Secular, leftist groups have taken arms up alongside Hamas in response to Israeli barbarism.

 

For at least a decade plus, the US state department has cited the Ministry of Health in Gaza's death toll numbers. 

If you now tell me these numbers are not reliable because they are politically inconvenient to America and Israel, that then only leads to one logical conclusion:

Hamas is to be trusted and the US is not to be trusted. 

 

You will not "win" defending Israel because the innate contradictions of the apartheid state are self-evident. You can't even get your story straight on where Hamas' leaders are located cause at one moment you wish to defend mass bombings and then the other you wish to appear as an humanitarian spirit worried for Gazans. Any Western government thinking hugging Bibi close is the way forward will go down with the sinking ship. Understand this.

Edited October 29, 2023 by Communion

[vale9001]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

And Hamas' information is more accurate and reliable than anything either the US or Israel could produce.

 

Understand how your genocide denial radicalizes people. Secular, leftist groups have taken arms up alongside Hamas in response to Israeli barbarism.

 

For at least a decade plus, the US state department has cited the Ministry of Health in Gaza's death toll numbers. 

If you now tell me these numbers are not reliable because they are politically inconvenient to America and Israel, then then only leads to only logical conclusion:

Hamas is to be trusted and the US is not to be trusted. 

 

You will not win defending Israel. Any Western government thinking hugging Bibi close is the way forward will go down with the sinking ship. Understand this.

I don't need a papyrus to Say nothing since what i said It's what i said and a fact.

 

8k deaths is a source from only a part on a war so It's not absolutely an official and believable source or a confirmed fact. I haven't followed the discussion anymore, no doubt has been discussed as an official source. After all you Just wrote this source from a terrorist group It's still Better than us propaganda. Instead of asking for facts even here you have found a way some propaganda Is Better than another. Not surprising, that's for sure 

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

I don't need a papyrus to Say nothing since what i said It's what i said and a fact.

 

8k deaths is a source from only a part on a war so It's not absolutely an official and believable source or a confirmed fact. I haven't followed the discussion anymore, no doubt has been discussed as an official source. After all you Just wrote this source from a terrorist group It's still Better than us propaganda. Instead of asking for facts even here you have found a way some propaganda Is Better than another. Not surprising, that's for sure 

If The Ministry of Health's numbers are not accurate to genocidal regimes like the US & Israel - despite being considered accurate and reliable by independent human rights orgs:

• Why does the US State Department reference them for official death tallies?
• Why does Israeli media reference them in tallies when Zionists celebrate total Palestinian deaths?

[naomi24]

10 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

I don't need a papyrus to Say nothing since what i said It's what i said and a fact.

 

8k deaths is a source from only a part on a war so It's not absolutely an official and believable source or a confirmed fact. I haven't followed the discussion anymore, no doubt has been discussed as an official source. After all you Just wrote this source from a terrorist group It's still Better than us propaganda. Instead of asking for facts even here you have found a way some propaganda Is Better than another. Not surprising, that's for sure 

https://time.com/6328885/gaza-death-toll-explainer/

 

 

The Gazan health ministry is the only source right now yes but historically their numbers have matched roughly with the numbers of deaths assessed by other independent sources.

Plus the "propaganda" is not coming from only one side, Israeli propaganda is much worse, so if you want to question numbers do that for both sides I guess.

 

 

Also most of these posts exposing "fake victims" on both sides are false and created to make people mistrust what they see about the destruction of the other side.

 

[State of Grace.]

You can deny the death toll reported by the Ministry of Health and verified & used by the Red Cross, Amnesty International, United Nations, Human Rights Watch, and Biden's own state department all you want, but the truth is that it's even higher with the amount of missing people under the rubble. It's just blatant genocide denialism.

 

 

If you see this (outdated) list and your first thought is "Hamas reported this!" then drop the act and save us the mental gymnastics 

 

[Aethereal]

Is there any indication that the airstrikes will stop? 

[FOCK]

Anyone denying the number of deaths can kick rocks - The Gaza Ministry of health has published the names, ages & ID numbers of those killed. They have previously been cited as reliable, the denial now is purely to save face & is genocide denial. 
 

Israel has produced nothing to prove their “1400” claim - has not even noted how many of them were migrant workers or soldiers. 
 

There has been 1 consistently debunked liar and untrustworthy source in this entire saga, & it speaks volumes that it isn’t Hamas. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by FOCK

[vale9001]

6 downgrade votes to the post 8k deaths Is an hamas source and not a verified source.

 

So I'm gonna write again even if get 100 downgrade votes: 8k deaths Is an hamas source and not a verified source.

 

Who ever says there are 8k deaths Is not spreading a fact but using a not verified data.

Not downgrades votes will change this absolute fact 

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033

 

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-10-29-2023-de1a7d660ba2f6d80b3d7aeaae5bb0f3

 

 

Edited October 29, 2023 by vale9001

[Chemist]

 

Why are they attacking the West Bank like that?

[Thickorita]

Who else but the Health Ministry is going to count the corpses and have access to records? The IDF? Egypt? Biden?