news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Embustera]

https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/politica/noticia/2023-10/president-lula-says-war-middle-east-genocide
The president of Brazil is a hero. Brazil will always have a special place in my heart. It’s the country who gave my Palestinian grandfather a second and really good life

[More Than A Melody]

9 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Whenever the number of dead Palestinians is 7,000 or 4,000 it will cross the 7,000 within some days if the operation continues. The difference between the "exaggerated numbers" by Gaza (if that is a true claim to begin with) is that those are meant to stop the genocide meanwhile the exaggerations of Israel are meant to excuse the genocide going in Palestine.

I mean, it's not exaggerated because they released the names, but I do agree with the rest of your point.

 

For anyone interested, I'm watching this video. It's long but so far it's incredibly interesting. He breaks down everything so eloquently and you'll be hard pressed to find someone more qualified to speak on this than him, other than someone who's literally experiencing it. Right now he's talking about why Israel does not, actually, have a right to defend itself.

 

 

[State of Grace.]

In today's episode of "Israel defending itself against Hamas in Gaza"

 

 

We have several Israeli politicians openly and comfortably admitting ethnic cleansing, genocide, jewish supremacy, another one was just calling Palestinians "inhumane animals" yesterday, and the list goes on. Somehow it's all still self-defense...and in the West Bank 

[Aethereal]

I've searched some Israeli news sites and used Google Translate there is little to no coverage what's going on Gaza.

[Aethereal]

22 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

I've searched some Israeli news sites and used Google Translate there is little to no coverage what's going on Gaza.

And the comments are gross. 

[FOCK]

32 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

I've searched some Israeli news sites and used Google Translate there is little to no coverage what's going on Gaza.

Well. They’ve killed journalists or their families & cut internet and electricity. Silence is the intent. 

[FOCK]

 

[réveuse]

10 hours ago, Cloröx said:

 

This is horrifying.

Edited October 26, 2023 by réveuse

[Gaia]

Bella calling Oct 7th a terrorist attack like it was  

 

Her acknowledging no Israeli civilian deaths (especially innocent women and children) are justified no matter Israel’s governments actions  

 

She can do all of that while still being pro-Palestinian and educating on how long this issue has been going on and the severity of it  

 

[barbiegrande]

3 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I mean, I would vote for him if I was able to, but I don't judge those who don't. Especially of they're BIPOC. There's a limit to everything and I think "don't endorse genocide" is a very low bar that he failed miserably at.

People need to realize that almost every president in recent history has been complacent to genocide. It sucks, but that’s American foreign politics. It’s not going to change if Biden loses. Republicans would double down even harder. 

[More Than A Melody]

5 minutes ago, barbiegrande said:

People need to realize that almost every president in recent history has been complacent to genocide. It sucks, but that’s American foreign politics. It’s not going to change if Biden loses. Republicans would double down even harder. 

Historically, doing nothing and voting like genocide is a given has yielded no results. Doing something over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

 

But more to the point, you can't expect people to witness him literally refusing to acknowledge the dead in a genocide and then go vote for him. You can do what you think is best, but... empathy.

[barbiegrande]

6 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Historically, doing nothing and voting like genocide is a given has yielded no results. Doing something over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

 

But more to the point, you can't expect people to witness him literally refusing to acknowledge the dead in a genocide and then go vote for him. You can do what you think is best, but... empathy.

True. I would actually like to recant my statement. I’m not a Biden apologist

[Communion]

37 minutes ago, FOCK said:

 

This is why it is even more insidious that Joe Biden tried to cast doubt on the death tolls. It has been something the Israeli media has done for ages and now Biden is co-signing using as horrific of a smear as genocidal denial. They refuse to be held accountable for the thousands killed so they'll try and smear the dead as still living. 

 

We literally had a user in here try and reference "Pallywood" to cast doubt on genocide victims:

 

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by Communion

[Harrier]

3 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

I mean, I would vote for him if I was able to, but I don't judge those who don't. Especially of they're BIPOC. There's a limit to everything and I think "don't endorse genocide" is a very low bar that he failed miserably at.

I've argued against protest votes in the past but Biden's approach to this war has been so unnacceptable that I do think mainstream democrats need to be sent a message. They cannot continue to expect young voters to show up for them while they continue America's current ME foreign policy. Their needs to be a more meaningful difference between Dems and Republicans on this issue, period, as right now there is no difference.

 

 

 

[More Than A Melody]

12 minutes ago, Harrier said:

I've argued against protest votes in the past but Biden's approach to this war has been so unnacceptable that I do think mainstream democrats need to be sent a message. They cannot continue to expect young voters to show up for them while they continue America's current ME foreign policy. Their needs to be a more meaningful difference between Dems and Republicans on this issue, period, as right now there is no difference.

 

 

 

I argued against protest votes this past election, and now I defend them. I think, if I had the opportunity to vote (and I don't, but I do have to live there a good chunk of my year, so that's fun...), I would weigh in the possibilities and probably err on the side of voting Biden. But.

 

IDK man, at some point something's gotta give. If you do nothing over and over and over, then they think they can get away with it, because "what are they gonna do? Not vote me?" And I think it's time for them to start thinking... wait, they might not. Perhaps then they'd start listening to people's opinions. Patience is wearing thin. I think it's very possible he'll lose his re-election at this rate.

[Both Sides Now]

I’m not sure if it’s just my algorithm but it seems like Israel is losing its information war on the Internet. Albeit I’ve gotten paid-for ads from @/Israel on Twitter and my Explore page on Instagram is flooded with random Israel flags…  the non-paid for stuff is staunchly pro-ceasefire and world leaders are getting dunked on for supporting the genocide. 
 

I think especially Ursula von der Leyen miscalculated her Israeli appeasement. There is no appetite in Europe to create another 2 million refugees and wage another forever war in the Middle East. Her replies are filled with calls to resign. Keep the pressure up with protests, contacting elected officials, boycotts, sharing. They won’t stop unless they sense their jobs are in jeopardy. 

[RihRihGirrrl]

2 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

I argued against protest votes this past election, and now I defend them. I think, if I had the opportunity to vote (and I don't, but I do have to live there a good chunk of my year, so that's fun...), I would weigh in the possibilities and probably err on the side of voting Biden. But.

 

IDK man, at some point something's gotta give. If you do nothing over and over and over, then they think they can get away with it, because "what are they gonna do? Not vote me?" And I think it's time for them to start thinking... wait, they might not. Perhaps then they'd start listening to people's opinions. Patience is wearing thin. I think it's very possible he'll lose his re-election at this rate.

Pretty much my take. If Trump is the Republican nominee I will have to suck it up and vote for Biden because I just cannot stomach another Trump Presidency. But the disgusting way Biden has responded to the current situation in Gaza has just depleted any sense of content I had about voting for him and I will no longer try to convince anyone to vote the lesser of 2 evils. 

[DAP]

*Sigh* None of this shocks me but it is no less enraging. 

 

 

 

[Nova_23]

34 minutes ago, DAP said:

*Sigh* None of this shocks me but it is no less enraging. 

 

 

 

I will not vote for this man. As far as I’m concerned Trump doesn’t have a genocide on his hands nor is he a genocide denier. And people can say well he would have done worse or it wouldn’t have gone better but we don’t know that because Trump isn’t the one currently president and full on backing Israel’s aggression. And in fact, I actually disagree that Trump would have done worse because Trump is all about America first in the most racist and vile ways of course (and so is his base) so this blind support for Israel under USA tax dollars to keep going with this bloodbath would not have happened. 

 

I think people will disagree with the above but I know Trump would have been like “go get those terrorists,” but Biden and his administration is taking it too far to the point where they’re lying and now denying what’s happening. 

 

But at the end of the day arguing who’s worse just shows how terrible our country is and how it’s not really a democracy. Two shitty candidates to choose from isn’t it. And voting for Biden just maintains the status quo and sends the message that it doesn’t matter how terrible a democratic candidate acts, we will still vote for him cause the other side is worse. This is the third election year where democrats are pushing a shitty candidate and selling it as “lesser of two evils,” instead of actually listening to what the people who voted them in want. Like nah that’s not it. If Trump ends up winning they have no one to blame but themselves. 

[Cloröx]

58 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said:

I’m not sure if it’s just my algorithm but it seems like Israel is losing its information war on the Internet. Albeit I’ve gotten paid-for ads from @/Israel on Twitter and my Explore page on Instagram is flooded with random Israel flags…  the non-paid for stuff is staunchly pro-ceasefire and world leaders are getting dunked on for supporting the genocide. 
 

I think especially Ursula von der Leyen miscalculated her Israeli appeasement. There is no appetite in Europe to create another 2 million refugees and wage another forever war in the Middle East. Her replies are filled with calls to resign. Keep the pressure up with protests, contacting elected officials, boycotts, sharing. They won’t stop unless they sense their jobs are in jeopardy. 

The algorithm is in Israel favor, Meta for example is trying its best to spread Israel propaganda and shadow ban those who supporting Palestine. However, Covid era has educated public to always cross check information hence why so many people do not buy Israel its lies.

[nooniebao]

 

 

[futurenostalgic]

 

[DAP]

1 hour ago, Nova_23 said:

I will not vote for this man. As far as I’m concerned Trump doesn’t have a genocide on his hands nor is he a genocide denier. And people can say well he would have done worse or it wouldn’t have gone better but we don’t know that because Trump isn’t the one currently president and full on backing Israel’s aggression. And in fact, I actually disagree that Trump would have done worse because Trump is all about America first in the most racist and vile ways of course (and so is his base) so this blind support for Israel under USA tax dollars to keep going with this bloodbath would not have happened. 

 

I think people will disagree with the above but I know Trump would have been like “go get those terrorists,” but Biden and his administration is taking it too far to the point where they’re lying and now denying what’s happening. 

 

But at the end of the day arguing who’s worse just shows how terrible our country is and how it’s not really a democracy. Two shitty candidates to choose from isn’t it. And voting for Biden just maintains the status quo and sends the message that it doesn’t matter how terrible a democratic candidate acts, we will still vote for him cause the other side is worse. This is the third election year where democrats are pushing a shitty candidate and selling it as “lesser of two evils,” instead of actually listening to what the people who voted them in want. Like nah that’s not it. If Trump ends up winning they have no one to blame but themselves. 

It’s why I’m not interested in discussing any election consequence. That is a zero sum game because no matter who or what party is ruling, the US has no real democratic accountability, just an illusion. It is the entire reason why these people can act with such hubris agitating war/genocide in the face of any public outcry (and for what it’s worth I believe a Trump administration response would not have been that much different than Biden’s), and the entire reason why war mongering swine can not only evade real punishment, but also rehab themselves as respected statespeople. Like I said I don’t fault people for voting in presidential elections because it is civic engagement that is most familiar to everyone, but in a dire circumstance like this, that is not militant/radical enough to threaten their power.

[DAP]

Are y’all getting the Israel ads on this site? Just got one about “Hamas Terrorists Kidnap Disabled Girl Who Can’t Walk or Talk & Needs a Feeding Tube” as soon as I left this thread

 

[Cloröx]

12 minutes ago, DAP said:

Are y’all getting the Israel ads on this site? Just got one about “Hamas Terrorists Kidnap Disabled Girl Who Can’t Walk or Talk & Needs a Feeding Tube” as soon as I left this thread

 

Seriously ATRL promoting Israel? The admin has a lot to explain if it's true