news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[kawk]

35 minutes ago, welham said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cyuei3cIGy1/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== 

 

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy0BnSFKFcb/

 

and this was shortly after the attack on Israel that killed over 1400 israelis.  So much for that "Hamas is not the Palestinians people" narrative.

 

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Edited October 26, 2023 by kawk

[Elusive Chanteuse]

7 minutes ago, Nova_23 said:

back to europe or the usa where they came from since the vast majority of them are settlers with dual citizenship. 

 

if the west expected the 2.2 million people in gaza to just leave so suddenly with no where for them to actually go then there’s no reason why they can’t expect people in Israel who have dual citizenship/are settlers to go back home where they’re from and allow the Palestinians to return back to their native land. 

Okay makes sense.

 

 

[monologueNacafe]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

I'm sorry, but I think you're either choosing to not read the quoted text, or are simply tone-blind when reading, because the inability to understand rhetorical questions can only be rooted in *already* having decided to disagree with Palestinian rights, as shown by your defenses of Israel. 

 

Sarcastically mocking a user and letting them know their comparisons to native Americans doesn't result in an "Israel" but that of a European nation =/= wanting to balkanize Poland. Don't worry, despite the biggest anti-Palestinian propaganda account on Twitter being a far-right Polish news source, I do not have any wishes to carve up Poland.

 

User A: "Hmm if you don't support ZIONISM, I guess you HATE NATIVE AMERICANS :)"

Me: *points out that "Zionism = Indigeneity" fails when the main figures of Zionism at the turn of the 1800s were specifically and largely Jewish Zionists indigenous to Europe *AND* who did not even first aim for Palestine, unless someone will now argue European Jewish settlers also have both Argentinian and Ugandan DNA too*

You, appearing out of nowhere: "OH, SO YOU *DO* ACTUALLY WANT EXPEL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE OUT?"

 

You don't have to agree with or want people mass expelled to point out that the seperate claim that people who lived in Central Europe for 1500+ years have a blood right to a land thousands of miles away - let alone a right to then displace the actual population living on it for nearly just as long - is illogical. 

 

If this was about indigeneity, half of Poland would be a sovereign Jewish nation and Palestine would see its Christian, Jewish and Muslim citizens living in peace. But that's not the case - this is an ethno-nationalist movement expanding its borders without any imposed restraint, so let's drop the illiterate attempts to link Zionism to indigenous movements.

 

 

I will just repeat myself:

 

Check your inbox pls 

[Harrier]

1 hour ago, Nova_23 said:

back to europe or the usa where they came from since the vast majority of them are settlers with dual citizenship. 

 

if the west expected the 2.2 million people in gaza to just leave so suddenly with no where for them to actually go then there’s no reason why they can’t expect people in Israel who have dual citizenship/are settlers to go back home where they’re from and allow the Palestinians to return back to their native land. 

straight up untrue, around 50% of Israeli Jews are descended from those who fled Islamic countries (Mizrahi Jews), and of the more recent immigrants a lot are from the former Soviet Union, fleeing the economic collapse. Additionally over 75% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel, and only 10% Israelis in general have dual citizenship (including Israeli Arabs). Most Jews that immigrated from the Soviet Union lost their previous citizenship in doing so.

 

The consistent effort to portray all Israelis as recently migrated rich foreigners is an attempt to rhetorically justify a theoretical ethnic cleansing. This isn't to say there aren't some Zionists from Brooklyn buying up property or whatever but let's be honest about what most of the Israeli population are: working & middle class jews from the entire diaspora

 

Don't spread falsehoods to that member who is asking good faith questions. 

 

[Cloröx]

Wait so IDF start targeting journalists and their families. What an evil gov 

[Contessa]

It’s truly a tragedy all around. F colonialism, past and current.

[ClashAndBurn]

13 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Wait so IDF start targeting journalists and their families. What an evil gov 

Would be unsurprising if true but we don’t know for sure just yet.

 

At this point, it’s plain that US intelligence agencies are going to be behaving as a PR campaign for Israel in order to muddy the waters and launder them as innocent agents acting entirely in self-defense. Anything Biden says to defend Israel and make them look less despicable than they are should be taken with a grain of salt, but Western media is going to overcompensate for what happened with the reporting on the hospital bombing. Even though the facts of that attack are still ambiguous at best, the American/Israeli narrative has already set in and everybody who took the Hamas narrative credulously is facing public scorn. And if that AJ reporter’s family was in fact targeted, that scorn could have deadly consequences.

[welham]

3 hours ago, kawk said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy0BnSFKFcb/

 

and this was shortly after the attack on Israel that killed over 1400 israelis.  So much for that "Hamas is not the Palestinians people" narrative.

 

Feel free to share 

 

Oh, one mob celebrating means the entirety of the 2.2 million civilian population deserves to be bombed and killed, half of of them of whom are children. Nice point you got there, genocidal pig 

 

I'm sure you still have nothing to say about the Israeli population at large spewing genocidal calls for action against all Palestinians before and after the attack, from the Gaza to the West Bank too, and maybe "Israeli-Arabs" too if they feel generous enough to remember them. I wonder what would happen if we applied your own logic equally. Israelis civilians are sure glad you're not on the helm of any powerful army 

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[welham]

3 minutes ago, FOCK said:

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@kawk what do you think, sis? 

[Cloröx]

Keep doing it guys 

 

 

 

[Riot]

6 hours ago, Gaia said:

Who said Israel should displace Palestinians?

The Israel's government and military 

[bjorn]

6 hours ago, Nova_23 said:

back to europe or the usa where they came from since the vast majority of them are settlers with dual citizenship. 

 

if the west expected the 2.2 million people in gaza to just leave so suddenly with no where for them to actually go then there’s no reason why they can’t expect people in Israel who have dual citizenship/are settlers to go back home where they’re from and allow the Palestinians to return back to their native land. 

I-

 

this is not…it 

[FOCK]

This again.

 

Is she trying to convince the public or herself? 

 

 

[Virgos Groove]

 

Maybe we're just stuck in an echochamber, but it does feel like Israel is slowly losing control of the narrative, even after the initial wave of sympathy post-7/10. The barbaric actions of their army and the racist sentiments of a large part of their population can only be hidden for so long.

 

Also, this is just an anecdote, but it seems like their popularity in my country (Portugal) has gone through the drain after they twisted the words of the UN secretary-general (a.k.a. our most popular PM ever) and called for his resignation. Even our (pro-Israel) Government had to clock their lies.

[kawk]

4 hours ago, welham said:

@kawk what do you think, sis? 

are you really comparing some dumb tiktok trend to innocent people taken hostage and being subjected to brutal beatings, some who did not survive, by angry mobs across Gaza who even had their own kids take part in it? 

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[Cloröx]

 

[ClashAndBurn]

42 minutes ago, kawk said:

are you really comparing some dumb tiktok trend to innocent people taken hostage and being subjected to brutal beatings, some who did not survive, by angry mobs across Gaza who even had their own kids take part in it? 

Well, it’s pretty clear that you don’t care about the more than double casualty numbers of Palestinian women and children who’ve died under the siege by the IDF.  

Edited October 26, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[FOCK]

Mentally, I’m still at the Israeli tiktokers having to cosplay Mediterranean natives, because they’re not. 

[Riot]

18 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

 

Now I see why they didn't put the Japanese perspective in the movie

[Communion]

2 hours ago, bjorn said:

I-

 

this is not…it 

So you agree - you agree it is wrong to demand 2M Gazans flee to Egypt instead of demanding Biden to stop Israel's genocidal bombing campaign? 

[ClashAndBurn]

**** off, Debbie!

Her commenting on the state of anyone’s soul when HER rigging of the 2016 primary led directly to Donald Trump becoming president is rich.  

[Cloröx]