news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Brunette Ambition]

wait, hamas would outnumber the IDF (600.000)? I thought they were minority

[Cloröx]

4 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

Yeah no doubt Hamas has no incentive to release the hostages that were least abused, not to mention she described being hit around by sticks and gunmen and that children were treated the same

 

It was reported that IDF and police were SO outnumbered by Hamas terrorists and what was basically a full on invasion into Israel with the casualties being so high that the IDF literally has no choice but to "purge" certain areas killing everyone as they were getting ambushed and soldiers and civs were dying left and right, beyond tragic but no one was trying to hide this fact?

Are you suggesting they purposely wanted to kill their citizens?

Here we are they finally admitted it, this is Israel their "human shield" guys except those poor victims actually killed by IDF

 

 

[HungryByTheBuffet]

10 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

wait, hamas would outnumber the IDF (600.000)? I thought they were minority

Ig that's what happens when some throw around the word genocide so often it loses any coherent meaning, and when Hamas calculates a mass attack during a holiday and on a Saturday knowing full well the response will be majorly affected by those facts, and when Iran and Russia are supplying you with people and insane weapons

 

But some folk are gonna keep supporting Iran and Russia gov by proxy till it arrives to their liberal College beautiful campus ig

Edited October 24, 2023 by HungryByTheBuffet

[HungryByTheBuffet]

5 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Here we are they finally admitted it, this is Israel their "human shield" guys except those poor victims actually killed by IDF

 

 

In that case, isn't it still Hamas using human shields except in this scenario those happened to be Israeli civilians instead of Palestinian ones?

[Cloröx]

2 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

In that case, isn't it still Hamas using human shields except in this scenario those happened to be Israeli civilians instead of Palestinian ones?

Hamas don't use human shield and they don't kill their own people. Meanwhile you straightforward admitted IDF their doing 

 

[HungryByTheBuffet]

1 minute ago, Cloröx said:

Hamas don't use human shield and they don't kill their own people. Meanwhile you straightforward admitted IDF their doing 

 

Ig these are the facts when we choose to follow Al Jazeera "news" and random twitter accounts instead of CNN or any western media sources

[Brunette Ambition]

1 minute ago, Cloröx said:

Hamas don't use human shield and they don't kill their own people. Meanwhile you straightforward admitted IDF their doing 

 

could you explain why hamas puts their rocket launchers next to kindergartens, schools, etc?

 

 

[Brunette Ambition]

1 minute ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

Ig these are the facts when we choose to follow Al Jazeera "news" and random twitter accounts instead of CNN or any western media sources

I mean they constantly post the dubious statistics of the so-called "palestinian health ministry" which is.. hamas

[Cloröx]

1 minute ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

Ig these are the facts when we choose to follow Al Jazeera "news" and random twitter accounts instead of CNN or any western media sources

CNN and western media? You mean the ones that get caught fabricating stories, making fake videos and get dragged for the past few weeks 

[Harrier]

So... our latest update to the deranged tankie narrative is that Hamas only took hostages and actually the IDF is responsible for the dead civillians. Kay

It's been real yall but this is my queue to exit this thread

Free Palestine, ceasefire now, two states for peace. Ciao

[Cloröx]

8 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

could you explain why hamas puts their rocket launchers next to kindergartens, schools, etc?

 

 

Which the IDF later on claimed it could not be independently verified but when we people urge International team to investigate Israel rejects it as usual 

 

[Cloröx]

7 minutes ago, Harrier said:

So... our latest update to the deranged tankie narrative is that Hamas only took hostages and actually the IDF is responsible for the dead civillians. Kay

It's been real yall but this is my queue to hide this topic

Free Palestine, ceasefire now, two states for peace. Ciao

Well what can we say even Israel die hard fan just admitted that IDF will sacrifice their own civilians 

 

 

[Gaia]

The true "mask off" moments are people finally admitting they support Hamas after their mass murder of Israeli civilians after pretending so long that they didn't support Hamas in itself but just hated Israel and supported the freedom of Palestinians. 

 

Funny how humanitarianism "isn't transactional" according to specific people, but one side can murder thousands of innocent civilians and still not be "bad guys" because their muder count is lower than the opposition.

 

I'm a "zionist Israel supporter" for posting 0 posts praising Israel's government, wanting the US to stop funding and supporting Israel, and condemning Israel government's actions and yet somehow you guys aren't anti-Semitic for supporting and excusing the actions of a group that mass murdered and kidnapped a bunch of innocent Jewish people. The logic in this thread is a hoot and a holler. 

 

Praising them for "treating hostages with respect" is like praising a rapist as a good person for making their victim breakfast in bed the next morning. **** out of here with that ridiculous logic.

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Gaia

[Brunette Ambition]

16 minutes ago, Harrier said:

So... our latest update to the deranged tankie narrative is that Hamas only took hostages and actually the IDF is responsible for the dead civillians. Kay

It's been real yall but this is my queue to hide this topic

Free Palestine, ceasefire now, two states for peace. Ciao

 i'm leaving with you. I actully didn't want to contribute anymore but the posts today about hamas being a resistance and how the murdered civilians aren't civilians because they had a party lured me back into this echo chamber. i just hope people here realize a free palestine would mean dead jews. and that will NEVER happen.  

 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Harrier said:

Do Hamas deserve a medal for treating this 85 year old woman with basic level human rights .... after kidnapping her and brutally murdering 1200+ civillians? What's the narrative we're trying to push here, that Hamas are innocent, actually? What is the goal here girls 

Because it debunks the narrative that Hamas is a blind jihadi terrorist organization running off of nothing but Jew hatred and the desire to establish a Islamist paradise via a caliphate. 

 

Of course you don't have to praise them. I don't even think such treatment is done for altruistic reasons. What use is a dead political prisoner? But that's the point. Groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS had no issues killing hostages when their country made it clear ransom was not going to be made and that they only wanted money to help fund their gain and Islamist operations. 

 

...that's clearly not what's happening here. That you can acknowledge Hamas needlessly killed over a thousand people and yet they still operate and exist as a legitimate government and political party than a terrorist cell. Israel propaganda hopes to flatten this reality. "HAMAS IS ISIS! FREE PALESTINE FROM HAMAS!". It hopes to trick the Western mind into buying the framework that "terrorists can't be negotiated with".

 

You cannot "free" Gaza of Hamas. Gazans can only be free of Hamas via making Hamas as a political party irrelevant by enough thinking the situation of their occupation will soon end and won't require militarism. 

[HungryByTheBuffet]

37 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Which the IDF later on claimed it could not be independently verified but when we people urge International team to investigate Israel rejects it as usual

Is this the same international team that was denied access by Hamas to investigate the hospital explosion, or the same one that confirmed the atrocious you guys keep denying?

 

25 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Praising them for "treating hostages with respect" is like praising a rapist as a good person for making their victim breakfast in bed the next morning. **** out of here with that ridiculous logic.

This is the same clan of users that upvoted a post jokingly asking me why I care about the rape victims, was I raped myself? in response to believing some victims were raped, so don't expect this point to hit home with them

Edited October 24, 2023 by HungryByTheBuffet

[More Than A Melody]

6 hours ago, Communion said:

Also statements like this are incoherent and the most clearest example of Western chauvinism.

 

Israel has killed at least a hundred thousand Palestinians since their occupation began. It has displaced hundreds of thousands and created a diaspora of 6M.

 

...what did they expect as an appropriate response? What would the preferred course of history be? The Nakba went all the way? They all just left? Let Israel be a theocratic ethno-state in peace?

 

You can feel awful that civilians have needlessly died while acknowledging that such death is directly the cause of Israel's Zionist mission that states it must exist as a state essentially on top of a people and those people either be crushed or squished out the sides into the borders of others' nations. 

 

Zionism would rather 1,500 dead Israelis and 5,000 dead Palestinians in the mission of an ethno-state that seeing its system of apartheid and ethnic supremacy come to an end. 

I have now asked these people "what would you do" a million times and each and every single time they've stopped replying.

 

The purposeful lack of nuance is actually frustrating. Understanding why something happens and being sympathetic to the reasons that might drive someone to that, doesn't mean that their actions are celebrated.

 

A friend of mine drew this comparison the other day and I found it incredibly accurate. Gypsy-Rose Blanchard was granted parole recently and on social media I saw 90% of people cheering. Prosecutors for her case said they didn't want to take it to trial because they didn't think a jury would convict her at all. Gypsy-Rose faced only a fraction of the abuse Palestinian people have faced for a fraction of the years, and she killed her abuser, and everyone cheered for her. But she's white and Palestinians are not. So.

[Communion]

1 hour ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

Armies don't rape and torture civilians according to international law

Even if you believed your country's army were a magical unicorn and that all human rights abuses over the years reported about them were lies...such a statement ignoring the reality of Western powers and what their armies have done in the Middle East is obscene. Israelis are not only propagandized to the war crimes of their nation but clearly also that their big brother America.

 

That some of you have no arguments besides ad hominems meant to play on Westerners' racialized fear of Muslims and check out the moment this terrorist narrative Israel has pieced together crumbles apart to the international community is so... 

 

Yes, Hamas needlessly killed 1,000 people. The only viable solution is still ending the blockade on Gaza and ending the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Government engaging in violent warfare cannot be viewed ad such only conditionally. Israel has killed 20x more Palestinians. Should Iran just invade at this point and free Palestine from Israel like Israelis now call on to happen? Should Hezbollah free Israelis from Bibi? How many bombs has America dropped in the Middle East? Should Jordan help free Americans from Joe Biden?

 

"But but that's different! Western governments are real governments! Those people over there are just terrorists in a hut!!!". We're a week away from the Israeli social media intern tweeting out on the official country account that Palestinians have sex with goats and dream of 40 virgins. 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Communion

[Brunette Ambition]

1 minute ago, More Than A Melody said:

I have now asked these people "what would you do" a million times and each and every single time they've stopped replying.

 

The purposeful lack of nuance is actually frustrating. Understanding why something happens and being sympathetic to the reasons that might drive someone to that, doesn't mean that their actions are celebrated.

 

A friend of mine drew this comparison the other day and I found it incredibly accurate. Gypsy-Rose Blanchard was granted parole recently and on social media I saw 90% of people cheering. Prosecutors for her case said they didn't want to take it to trial because they didn't think a jury would convict her at all. Gypsy-Rose faced only a fraction of the abuse Palestinian people have faced for a fraction of the years, and she killed her abuser, and everyone cheered for her. But she's white and Palestinians are not. So.

What a stupid comparison. there is obviously a huge difference between a unique case about the suffering of an individual, and yet another story of terror in the middle east. People tend to not care about things that happen on the other side of the globe, the skin color does not matter. American leftists obsession with turning everything into some race bait needs to be studied. Especially self-hating tankie Americans that criticize USAs hubris, yet think "palestinian" muslims only started hating jews because of western intervention, as if it is not as old as time itself.

[HungryByTheBuffet]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

Even if you believed your country's army were a magical unicorn and that all human rights abuses over the years reported about them were lies...such a statement ignoring the reality of Western powers and what their armies have done in the Middle East is obscene. Israelis are not only propagandized to the war crimes of their nation but clearly also that their big brother America.

 

That some of you have no arguments besides ad hominems meant to play on Westerners' racialized fear of Muslims and check out the moment this terrorist narrative Israel has pieced together crumbles apart to the international community is so... 

 

Yes, Hamas needlessly killed 1,000 people. The only viable solution is still ending the blockade on Gaza and ending the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Government engaging in violent warfare cannot be viewed ad such only conditionally. Israel has killed 20x more Palestinians. Should Iran just invade at this point and free Palestine from Israel like Israelis now call on to happen? Should Hezbollah free Israelis from Bibi? How many bombs has America dropped in the Middle East? Should Jordan help free Americans from Joe Biden?

Ofc I don't believe that, I hardly believe in the concept of war to begin to with.

 

We just disagree on who's the "worse" side that should be getting support.

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

Should Iran just invade at this point and free Palestine from Israel like Israelis now call on to happen?

That seems to be what's going to happen yes, hopefully, it doesn't reach whatever country you're @

 

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

Should Hezbollah free Israelis from Bibi?

Not if you don't want another country being run by a terrorist organization? as for the US yes they should, and have been trying to so with Biden making it very clear he is against what Bibi is attempting to do to Israel and supports the majority of Israelis who were protesting it, he's just doing it in a diplomatic fashion that doesn't create more enemies, some sides are open to diplomatic negotiation whilst others seldom do.

[LookinAssHittas]

56 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

 i'm leaving with you. I actully didn't want to contribute anymore but the posts today about hamas being a resistance and how the murdered civilians aren't civilians because they had a party lured me back into this echo chamber. i just hope people here realize a free palestine would mean dead jews. and that will NEVER happen.  

 

“A free Palestine will never happen” so you’re in favour of apartheid, ethnic cleaning, and genocide?

[More Than A Melody]

6 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

What a stupid comparison. there is obviously a huge difference between a unique case about the suffering of an individual, and yet another story of terror in the middle east. People tend to not care about things that happen on the other side of the globe, the skin color does not matter. American leftists obsession with turning everything into some race bait needs to be studied. Especially self-hating tankie Americans that criticize USAs hubris, yet think "palestinian" muslims only started hating jews because of western intervention, as if it is not as old as time itself.

 

[Redstreak]

12 hours ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

"Hamas is a liberation movement, Israel is a terrorist nation"

"Why would they give all their hostages up so easily, why even hang posters?"

"Obama's a war criminal how could he have mentioned Oct 7"

"Oct 7 was done by Mossad, so was 9/11"

"ALL ISRAELIS!" despite the country being the most politically divided it's ever been with riots and protests across the country against current gov and leaders BEFORE the war

sympathy for ALL human lives?! ziOniST!!

 

Now here’s where you actually call out reading comprehension because not one single person here as called Hamas a “liberation movement” 💀

[Chemist]

More of this. The absurd censorship is diagusting

[Communion]

You know we've reached Zionists knowing they're losing the propaganda war when they and their Western chauvinists allies start screaming "tankie" - a term that has only ever been meaningful within Hungary in the 1950s, to describe an occupying government force who believed that violence was justified to keep their occupation in place. 

 

Those on Israel's side are the tankies. 

 

You out yourself as deploying the term to mean "people who support Global South countries I hate' when deciding a term meant to describe support for violence to maintain government control is somehow more applicable to those who support Palestinian liberation than those who support Israeli occupation - and yes, those are the only two options here. 

 

Tankie literally references the rolling of tanks into Budapest. Please remind us what nation is currently preparing a ground invasion of another? Some of you make it impossible to know if you're just politically illiterate or clumsily white supremacists.