news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Brunette Ambition]

The slow but steady masking off in here as hamas is now understood as some resistance movement

[Gaia]

2 hours ago, Scars said:

It may be an uncomfortable reality to those who see the world with a sense of morality straight out of a Marvel movie, but from Latin America to Southern Africa, the taking of political opponent hostages, or western ambassadors, have always been used as a tool for negotiation by resistance groups. 

 

The madness in here. Some of you might as well scream "terrorists!" to anti-apartheid armed resistance groups, like ANC, which went to become the biggest political party in today's South Africa.

The mental politics around this thing is just weird. We're justifying Hamas holding hostages because "its a norm that people do during wars" but condemn Israel for also doing horrible stuff...also do during wars (e.g. cutting off enemy supplies and resources). 

 

Israel's government is very clearly a malicious entity in itself that could be classified as a terrorist group with their actions towards the Palestinians. But Hamas is very clearly malicious as well (whether or not you feel they have "reason" is irrelevant) and could equally as much be classified as a terrorist group with their actions towards Israelis. You can no longer act like something is just a "resistance" when they mass murdered near 1500 innocent civilians. Israel being worse does not change that fact.

 

The issue with this thread is some asinine belief that Israel being the "bad guy" means Hamas is the "good guy" which isn't true. It's very much possible that both acting governments are bad and actively performing actions that are harming their civilians. 

 

This thread is so hellbent on defending and justifying every action of Hamas it's bizarre. 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Gaia

[Communion]

19 minutes ago, Gaia said:

The mental politics around this thing is just weird. We're justifying Hamas holding hostages because "its a norm that people do during wars" but condemn Israel for also doing horrible stuff...also do during wars (e.g. cutting off enemy supplies and resources). 

Palestine and Israel are at war because Israel is a settler colonial nation occupying it. Palestine's position is resistance. Israel's position is aggression. This can only end with the end of Israeli occupation. Why are some of you refusing to acknowledge this basic fact? Hamas' actions do not reiterate the justification for the Zionist state, but reiterates the cycle of violence that will perpetuate itself for as long as an ethno-state is propped up by Western powers. 

[Brunette Ambition]

3 hours ago, FOCK said:

 

 

“1000 civilians” talking point… every person in Israel that serves in the IDF, gave up that title. Every settler on illegal land gave up that title. Anyone that voluntarily chooses to rave on the fringe of a CONCENTRATION CAMP, NEXT TO a military base is… well. By international law, as upsetting as it is, an arguably legal target for an occupation resistance. Maybe the IDF should not place their military bases among civilians & use them as human shields. Don’t you just hate that? Damn.

 this is an absolutely crazy take. 
 

[Communion]

27 minutes ago, Gaia said:

 You can no longer act like something is just a "resistance" when they mass murdered near 1500 innocent civilians. 

Also statements like this are incoherent and the most clearest example of Western chauvinism.

 

Israel has killed at least a hundred thousand Palestinians since their occupation began. It has displaced hundreds of thousands and created a diaspora of 6M.

 

...what did they expect as an appropriate response? What would the preferred course of history be? The Nakba went all the way? They all just left? Let Israel be a theocratic ethno-state in peace?

 

You can feel awful that civilians have needlessly died while acknowledging that such death is directly the cause of Israel's Zionist mission that states it must exist as a state essentially on top of a people and those people either be crushed or squished out the sides into the borders of others' nations. 

 

Zionism would rather 1,500 dead Israelis and 5,000 dead Palestinians in the mission of an ethno-state that seeing its system of apartheid and ethnic supremacy come to an end. 

[Cloröx]

1 hour ago, Brunette Ambition said:

The slow but steady masking off in here as hamas is now understood as some resistance movement

But Hamas is indeed resistance movement although we all not agree with some of their actions. And Israel is the oppressor, that's fact!

[Nova_23]

3 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

Seems like the ground invasion delay isn’t for securing hostages, but buying time to bring in more American resources to assist Israel against Hezbollah and Iran. Not surprising, but it makes it clear they aren’t pausing the ground invasion for benevolent or humanitarian reasons.

People will soon realize that Israel is delaying a ground invasion because well Israel sucks fighting on the ground. 

[Nova_23]

[Cloröx]

I see some usual genocide apologist are triggered with my stand of Hamas is the resistance movement. What do you expect when a country performing a genocide, thinking there will be a total submissive? It's okay to support Ukraine but not Palestine?

[State of Grace.]

Telling Palestinians how to feel, behave, and resist a colonial occupation is another level of mental gymnastics, especially when it has been mentioned several times already how they were jailed, attacked, and killed by Israel for protesting peacefully. Palestinians, as occupied people, legally and morally have a right to resist under International Law. We did not invent this. I know you all don't give a **** about it since Israel has been in breach of International Law long before October 7th, but your continued attempts to both sides and All Lives Matter this are pathetic.

Edited October 24, 2023 by State of Grace.

[Cloröx]

 

[LookinAssHittas]

 

If you’ve ever needed proof that America is a bloodthirsty, genocidal state then here’s your proof

 

Imagine thinking it’s okay to NOT want a ceasefire and wanting a war to continue. Joe Biden has blood on his hands.

[Cloröx]

 

 

[Cloröx]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure IDF is scared to start the ground invasion. They are waiting for their daddy Biden to send the help. But once America directly involve in the war I expect Hezbollah will be on full attack mode. A long lasting war is not something Israel should ask for, I don't think most Israelis are ready for it. 

 

 

[FOCK]

Israeli think tank lays out a blueprint for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza

[FOCK]

3rd hostage to describe their conditions. Once again, it seems they were treated with consideration, tending to medical and health needs.
 

"Each person had a guard watching him or her. They took care of all the needs. They talked about all kinds of things, they were very friendly."

 

Yocheved Lifshitz details what it was like while being held hostage by Hamas.

 

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by FOCK

[FOCK]

More of her testimony:

 

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When we arrived in Gaza, they initially told us that they believed in the Quran and that they would not harm us. They said they would treat us like they treated around them, we were under heavy guard, A medic and a doctor also came and made sure that the medicines we take are always available. They were very interested in the health side, and we had a doctor attached coming every two or three days to see what was happening with us. Took responsibility and took care to bring medicines, and if there are no similar medicines They gave equivalent drugs, they were very good, and they made sure we ate well. We ate the same food as them. We were treated well. They took care of all the details. They had women with us who knew what feminine hygiene meant, and they made sure we got everything, Hamas planned everything a long time ago, they prepared everything we needed, including shampoo and conditioner - the incompetence of the army and Shin Bet hurt us a lot, we were made a scapegoat for the government.

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by FOCK

[Harrier]

Do Hamas deserve a medal for treating this 85 year old woman with basic level human rights .... after kidnapping her and brutally murdering 1200+ civillians? What's the narrative we're trying to push here, that Hamas are innocent, actually? What is the goal here girls 

[Brunette Ambition]

27 minutes ago, FOCK said:

More of her testimony:

 

 

Ther families are still captive.

Nobody is seriously falling for this obvious PR campaign, ...right?

[Brunette Ambition]

2 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Do Hamas deserve a medal for treating this 85 year old woman with basic level human rights .... after kidnapping her and brutally murdering 1200+ civillians? What's the narrative we're trying to push here, that Hamas are innocent, actually? What is the goal here girls 

Yes, apparently most civilians that died Oct 7 died because of crossfire from evil Israel.

People here have to be on some hamas telegram channel

[Nova_23]

Is anyone else going to bring up that based on what witnesses have said, a lot of the Israeli civilian casualties were actually lost once Israel and Hamas went into a gun battle on the ground? Why isn’t that brought up? Seems wherever Israel goes mass civilian causalities follows. I wonder why. 

[Nova_23]

13 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Do Hamas deserve a medal for treating this 85 year old woman with basic level human rights .... after kidnapping her and brutally murdering 1200+ civillians? What's the narrative we're trying to push here, that Hamas are innocent, actually? What is the goal here girls 

Up until this point Israel has done nothing but lie to us. Who’s to say they’re not lying about anything that Hamas has said or done not just now but in the past? 

 

All the lies and propaganda that it’s been spreading has made it lose all credibility. 

 

Why are we supposed to believe everything that Israel says about this group even when they’ve lied about them in front of our faces on numerous times in just the last 2 weeks. 

 

The more I learn about Hamas, Israel and Netanyahu’s role in its rising, and the aftermath of the attacks, the more Hamas looks like the IRA to me than it does ISIS. And y’all have no one to blame but Israel and the USA for their constant lies. People are allowed to question what they’ve been told up until this point, We no longer need to just take what Israel and the West tells us when we see with our own eyes what’s going on.

 

If Hamas was soooo bad why does Israel and the USA need to constantly lie to paint them out to be these monsters? 

 

These are questions that everyone should be asking after the lies we’ve been fed since the 7th of October by Israel and western media. 

 

Im done with HaMas this or HaMaS that. You wanna know which organization has been indiscriminately bombing civilians and hostages in the last 2 weeks? It ain’t Hamas. 

 

If Hamas is a terrorist organization than what does that makes the IDF? 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Nova_23

[HungryByTheBuffet]

Yeah no doubt Hamas has no incentive to release the hostages that were least abused, not to mention she described being hit around by sticks and gunmen and that children were treated the same

 

7 minutes ago, Nova_23 said:

Is anyone else going to bring up that based on what witnesses have said, a lot of the Israeli civilian casualties were actually lost once Israel and Hamas went into a gun battle on the ground? Why isn’t that brought up? Seems wherever Israel goes mass civilian causalities follows. I wonder why. 

It was reported that IDF and police were SO outnumbered by Hamas terrorists and what was basically a full on invasion into Israel with the casualties being so high that the IDF literally has no choice but to "purge" certain areas killing everyone as they were getting ambushed and soldiers and civs were dying left and right, beyond tragic but no one was trying to hide this fact?

Are you suggesting they purposely wanted to kill their citizens?

[Nova_23]

16 minutes ago, Brunette Ambition said:

Yes, apparently most civilians that died Oct 7 died because of crossfire from evil Israel.

People here have to be on some hamas telegram channel

Why did Israel take 8 hours before it helped its people and why did most civilians pass in gun fire once Israel arrived? These are valid questions that people have. If Israel is this beacon of peace and democracy then why does it leave people in war and terror everywhere it goes? Are you going to answer these questions or will you just say Hamas this and Hamas that and ignore the terror that Israel has been inflicting on civilians since the 7th of October in this particular instance but let’s not forget the last 75 years either but I’ll play this little game of things starting on the 7th of October and everything since then Israel has lied and terrorized millions of civilians and murdered thousands others. Point blank. You can’t deny that. 

 

Im sure you’ll call me a terrorist sympathizer when I’m actually asking you to answer for Israel’s actions and lack there of. 

 

Again I hope you understand it’s hard for me to believe anything Israel says when they’ve done nothing but spread lies and propaganda. Just go look at their twitter page with their AI generated images, fake Hamas propaganda etc Its actually gross and maybe if they weren’t doing all of that, I would actually believe what they were saying. 

 

*Just to clarify. I am in no way justifying the loss of any civilian life on the Israel side. I condemn the Hamas terrorist act. But I have questions about the information that Israel has been telling us about Hamas given the lies they’ve been spreading in just these 2 weeks. 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Nova_23

[HungryByTheBuffet]

3 minutes ago, Nova_23 said:

Up until this point Israel has done nothing but lie to us. Who’s to say they’re not lying about anything that Hamas has said or done not just now but in the past? 

 

All the lies and propaganda that it’s been spreading has made it lose all credibility. 

 

Why are we supposed to believe everything that Israel says about this group even when they’ve lied about them in front of our faces on numerous times in just the last 2 weeks. 

 

The more I learn about Hamas, Israel and Netanyahu’s role in its rising, and the aftermath of the attacks, the more Hamas looks like the IRA to me than it does ISIS. And y’all have no one to blame but Israel and the USA for their constant lies. People are allowed to question what they’ve been told up until this point, We no longer need to just take what Israel and the West tells us when we see with our own eyes what’s going on.

 

If Hamas was soooo bad why does Israel and the USA need to constantly lie to paint them out to be these monsters? 

 

These are questions that everyone should be asking after the lies we’ve been fed since the 7th of October by Israel and western media. 

 

Im done with HaMas this or HaMaS that. You wanna know which organization has been indiscriminately bombing civilians and hostages in the last 2 weeks? It ain’t Hamas. 

 

If Hamas is a terrorist organization than what does that makes the IDF? 

Armies don't rape and torture civilians according to international law, you know who does? terrorists.

These ones happen to be WORSE than ISIS based on all video evidence, and according to the US too.

There's over 40 minutes of graphic violence on the certain sites, you can tell when and where they were filmed, are they somehow fake? is it fake when people cry out for the people they know inside these videos? is it all A.I?

 

Ig we're acting like Hamas tells nothing but the truth? we still believing the hospital explosion was done by Israel? or the death toll they gave despite the hospital being mostly intact the following day?