news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Communion]

People who defend Israel do not care about Jewish death. They only see it as a means to degrade Palestinian life.

Samantha Woll was Rashdia Tlaib's close friend:

 

 

[Nova_23]

I just got back from the protest in my city and it was amazing to see so many people from all walks of life coming together for a common goal: to free Palestine from the occupation of Israel 

 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Nova_23

[Aethereal]

4 hours ago, kawk said:

but but but things have changed!!

Newsflash they don't want our support, they would rather die than see a queen waving a Palestinian flag 

 

"Just because you support the current thing, doesn't mean the current thing supports you."

 

This joke is so tired. Israel stopping their genocide will not result with you having to deal with Palestinian homophobia. 

 

Most of the world's countries are homophobic. Would you support nuking them all?

 

 

[GhostBox]

Not sure if this has been posted. 

Edited October 22, 2023 by GhostBox

[DAP]

Belgium urging immediate ceasefire

 

 

 

[Cloröx]

16 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

Not sure if this has been posted. 

You still won't give up don't you? IDF spokeperson claiming it was their attack before deleted it already concluded who was the real party behind those attack. IDF is so inconsistent with their evidences indicating they are lying for the damage control, and they know they are losing the propaganda war right now.

[Cloröx]

The war will spread across the region, it seems neighboring countries kinda fed up with Israel. The Zionist gov will have no ally anymore in the region.

 

 

[nooniebao]

 

 

[nooniebao]

6 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

The war will spread across the region, it seems neighboring countries kinda fed up with Israel. The Zionist gov will have no ally anymore in the region.

 

 

Israel’s been bombing Syria on and off for years

[Nova_23]

 

I’m glad these questions are being directly asked. 

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Nova_23

[bijonse]

2 hours ago, Aristotle said:

This joke is so tired. Israel stopping their genocide will not result with you having to deal with Palestinian homophobia. 

 

Most of the world's countries are homophobic. Would you support nuking them all?

 

 

Mind you homophobia in that region is so heavy because of WESTERN INFLUENCE - up until ~100 years ago homosexuality was more acceptable especially in countries where things are gender segregated. Trying to justify the Palestinian genocide with “well the Middle East is homophobic” is so ugly and ignorant of the actual history. 

[Cloröx]

 

 

[Cloröx]

Go get her Jade 

 

 

[réveuse]

7 hours ago, bijonse said:

Mind you homophobia in that region is so heavy because of WESTERN INFLUENCE - up until ~100 years ago homosexuality was more acceptable especially in countries where things are gender segregated. Trying to justify the Palestinian genocide with “well the Middle East is homophobic” is so ugly and ignorant of the actual history. 

 

Mhm. People (some even on here) like to claim that Europe is a heaven for 2SLGBTQIA+ folks, but when you look deeper, one of the main reasons why the Middle East is so homophobic is because, apart from their religion, it was influenced by western countries, like you said.

 

(Also, how long did it take for western countries to finally accept 2SLGBTQIA+ people?)

 

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by réveuse

[Solaria]

3 minutes ago, réveuse said:

 

Mhm. People (some even on here) like to claim that Europe is a heaven for 2SLGBTQIA+ folks, but when you look deeper, one of the main reasons why the Middle East is so homophobic is because, apart from their religion, it was influenced by western countries, like you said.

 

 

 

 

 

I would love to read more about this! This is something I'm still really uneducated about, do you have any good books / sources?

[More Than A Melody]

14 hours ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

TBH, I did expect strawmanning instead of an adequate response, so I'm not shocked by this reply. I now realize this site isn't the place to have a sensible conversation about this without deflections and vexation.

There are 2 million Palestinians trapped in Gaza, 64% of them are under 24 and 50% are children. Even if every single one of them was deeply homophobic, they still deserve water, electricity, a roof over their heads, and not to be bombed to f*cking death. How the f*ck do you not understand that? How is this an argument that you think is even REMOTELY NORMAL to make?

[réveuse]

7 minutes ago, Love Again said:

I would love to read more about this! This is something I'm still really uneducated about, do you have any good books / sources?

As homosexuality gradually became a distinct category in the 19th century
Middle East, it also started to attract opprobrium and disapproval.
29 This was
partly the result of European cultural influences and morals, which were highlyfrom the 19th century on, the concept of homosexuality begins to emerge 
in the Middle East as well. There, as elsewhere across the colonised world (for 
instance in Africa and India), developments ran in parallel and almost contemporaneously
to those in Europe.

 

There are many more sources to point out, but I personally do not have the time or energy to do that.

 

Still, one of the main reasons why the Middle East is homophobic is because of European colonialism and influence.

 

 

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/06/06/how-homosexuality-became-a-crime-in-the-middle-east

 

 

Original citation:
Dalacoura, Katerina (2014) Homosexuality as cultural battleground in the Middle East: culture
and postcolonial international theory. Third World Quarterly, 35 (7). pp. 1290-1306. ISSN 0143-
6597
DOI: 10.1080/01436597.2014.926119

[Gaia]

9 hours ago, Cloröx said:

You still won't give up don't you? IDF spokeperson claiming it was their attack before deleted it already concluded who was the real party behind those attack. 

You cannot be serious. So IDF isn't trustworthy but because one person on twitter said they did this, it's a fact that they did it? It's totally not possible that a radical Zionist in the IDF saw reports of an explosion in Gaza and prematurely celebrated and took credit for the attack without verifying? Not possible. Every IDF spokesperson on twitter fact checks their tweets before posting apparently. 

 

It's baffling how you don't see the irony in claiming they aren't trustworthy but an IDF spokesperson tweet is how you're concluding they did this.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Gaia

[Cloröx]

3 minutes ago, Gaia said:

You cannot be serious. So IDF isn't trustworthy but because one person on twitter said they did this, it's a fact that they did it? It's totally not possible that a radical Zionist in the IDF saw reports of an explosion in Gaza and prematurely celebrated and took credit for the attack without verifying? Not possible. Every IDF spokesperson on twitter fact checks their tweets before posting apparently. 

 

It's baffling how you don't see the irony in claiming they aren't trustworthy but an IDF spokesperson tweet is how you're concluding they did this.

Eh, they claimed it was theirs, they even gave earlier warnings to those hospitals. There's no irony in my arguments, it's simply exposing the reality that IDF is scrambling for evidences after the backlash 

[Lil' Oz]

Nearly all the sub-Saharan African countries are strictly homophobic, does that mean we should be racist toward Black people?

 

This whole "BuT HoMoPhObIa” discussion is tired, like, Israel is not bombing the sh*t out of Gaza because of "GaY RiGhTs", they are bombing/ killing them because they want to erase Palestine off the map and they are successfully doing so, unfortunately.

 

Bringing up LGBT+ rights while discussing this issue is basically a tactic to dehumanize, vilify and devalue Palestinians and their lives, basically saying "they are homophobic, so let us kill them in peace."

 

Anybody who really cares about LGBT+  rights in Israel/Palestine should also worry about how the Orthodox Jews view queer people. I am not hearing anything about them. But we all know why…

[Harrier]

Stop blaming current homophobia on century old laws.

The logic doesn't even make any sense, if Europe is in fact the true origin of all worldwide homophobia then how were they (somewhat) able to let it go while others were not? 

 

"We can't blame people in Germany for being homophobic bc like a previous administration 100 years ago really hated gay people so its not fair to expect them to have changed". It doesn't make sense - people have agency including people outside of the West.

 

In any case, the current wave of highly conservative Islam, including many of the most extreme anti-LGBT laws such as death penalties, are largely a product of the last 50 years. The conservativism of Palestinians is simply part of this global shift, in addition to being repressed by Israel for so long.

 

It's better to just accept that the Islamic world is, broadly, homophobic of its own choice, without equivocating it away. It should'nt affect your view of this conflict as a gay person regardless: human rights are human rights and Palestine deserves to be free.

[Bears01]

6 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Stop blaming current homophobia on century old laws.

The logic doesn't even make any sense, if Europe is in fact the true origin of all worldwide homophobia then how were they (somewhat) able to let it go while others were not? 

 

"We can't blame people in Germany for being homophobic bc like a previous administration 100 years ago really hated gay people so its not fair to expect them to have changed". It doesn't make sense - people have agency including people outside of the West.

 

In any case, the current wave of highly conservative Islam, including many of the most extreme anti-LGBT laws such as death penalties, are largely a product of the last 50 years. The conservativism of Palestinians is simply part of this global shift, in addition to being repressed by Israel for so long.

 

It's better to just accept that the Islamic world is, broadly, homophobic of its own choice, without equivocating it away. It should'nt affect your view of this conflict as a gay person regardless: human rights are human rights and Palestine deserves to be free.

You nailed this 

[More Than A Melody]

14 minutes ago, Gaia said:

You cannot be serious. So IDF isn't trustworthy but because one person on twitter said they did this, it's a fact that they did it? It's totally not possible that a radical Zionist in the IDF saw reports of an explosion in Gaza and prematurely celebrated and took credit for the attack without verifying? Not possible. Every IDF spokesperson on twitter fact checks their tweets before posting apparently. 

 

It's baffling how you don't see the irony in claiming they aren't trustworthy but an IDF spokesperson tweet is how you're concluding they did this.

A radical zionist that works for the Prime Minister and is in charge of digital communications for Israel? And they also conveniently faked proof of Hamas being behind it? And they STILL can't decide if the Islamist Jihadist or Hamas did it? And multiple independent journalists consulted eye witnesses and experts and debunked their claims? And the US and Israel refuse to have an imparcial investigation? And they had bombed multiple hospitals all around the region?

 

YOU cannot be serious.

[More Than A Melody]

9 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Stop blaming current homophobia on century old laws.

The logic doesn't even make any sense, if Europe is in fact the true origin of all worldwide homophobia then how were they (somewhat) able to let it go while others were not? 

 

"We can't blame people in Germany for being homophobic bc like a previous administration 100 years ago really hated gay people so its not fair to expect them to have changed". It doesn't make sense - people have agency including people outside of the West.

 

In any case, the current wave of highly conservative Islam, including many of the most extreme anti-LGBT laws such as death penalties, are largely a product of the last 50 years. The conservativism of Palestinians is simply part of this global shift, in addition to being repressed by Israel for so long.

 

It's better to just accept that the Islamic world is, broadly, homophobic of its own choice, without equivocating it away. It should'nt affect your view of this conflict as a gay person regardless: human rights are human rights and Palestine deserves to be free.

Because Europe was allowed to prosper and evolve while the Middle East was colonized, occupied, bombed, and the victim of countless wars over the last century. You can't have social evolution and advancement at the same time as most people are constantly destabilized.

 

You're implying that Muslims are inherently homophobic and misogynistic, that it's embedded in their beings. That is the definition of racism. ALL religions have misogynistic and homophobic views, so that's not the culprit. There are countless progressive Muslims in the world, so the religion in and of itself isn't a problem. Saying that "the Islamic world is broadly homophobic of its own choice" is deeply prejudiced and lacks contextualizing.

[FOCK]

No one is buying it. 
 

Not even Israel.