Luckitty Posted January 29 Posted January 29 these are the "innocent civilians" that we're told by the west to shut up and "coexist" with? 5
Jjang Posted January 29 Posted January 29 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2nZgeyoy9Y/?igsh=dnhxcXY1YXFpazcw 1
Pendulum Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 10 hours ago, Chemist said: Artists in several countries are calling for a boycott of Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest because of the war in Gaza. Research among the RTL News Panel shows that more than half (53 percent) of the participants think that Israel should be excluded. About 30 percent are in favor of participation. https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/artikel/5431636/israel-uitsluiten-van-songfestival-ruim-de-helft-voor Oop the tides are turning As a Eurovision fan, this is misleading. From the 2024's participants, only the British (Olly Alexander) and Irish (Bambie Thug) have been vocal about Israel's participation. Mind you only 13 artists out of 37 have been announced. Regarding participating broadcasters, only Iceland, Ireland and Finland have expressed their apprehension towards Israel's participation. Radio silence from the rest. I don't know from where they've gotten those numbers. As far as I know, there is a petition going around ex-Eurovision alumni but that would go nowhere. EDIT: NEVERMIND, it's a research among the news staff what even? EBU is not going to disqualify Israel, unfortunately. They were even reluctant with kicking Russia but after a few other participating countries complained, they swiftly gave Russia the boot. The organisers cite that Eurovision is an apolitical event, thus justifying Israel's participation. They've been trying to shift the narrative that Eurovision is a competition between broadcasters and not states.. but the participating broadcasters are the national ones, sponsored by the taxpayer and the state. Furthermore, during the national selection in which Israel chooses its participant, they've shown a segment of IDF soldiers and a childrens' choir singing about the annihilation of Gaza and Palestinians. Again, crickets from the EBU. Very disingenuous from their side because an event loosely associated with Eurovision has been a platform for Zionist propaganda. Also, Germany is the biggest contributor to the contest financially and the EBU cannot allow itself to lose Germany and you just know they would throw a fit. So no, Eurovision is not about uniting people by music, it's about ideology and money. ALSO, if Israel gets disqualified by any chance, they would still "participate" by proxy because Luxembourg's representative is Israeli. Her brother is currently serving in the IDF too. The national selection in Luxembourg was organised by an Israeli producer and miraculously an Israeli wins. Fishy as hell. By the way, there is a Palestinian artist currently in the run to represent Iceland. The song itself is very trashy and non-political although it would be a great statement if he gets to do Eurovision on behalf of Iceland. These two video essays perfectly summarise the hypocrisy of the European Broadcasting Union in regards to Israel, as well as other issues. Edited January 29 by Pendulum 2 1
ClashAndBurn Posted January 29 Posted January 29 I guess liberals are just going to pretend this isn’t happening
rihannafan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 4 hours ago, nooniebao said: Yes was the correct answer, AOC 4
Bosque Posted January 30 Posted January 30 On 1/28/2024 at 2:08 PM, Harrier said: I think the left is adopting the wrong argument here with this denialism. The UNRWA has thousands of employees - the fact that some small number may have participated in Oct 7th is in no way impossible or even unlikely. This doesn't mean its an arm of Hamas or even that it's corrupt - it just means it employs a lot of Palestinians. If Israel is going to argue it's worthy of cutting funding, it should present evidence of widespread corruption, not of a dozen employees out of 30,000 participating in violence. Cutting off aid to an essential organisation that is keeping Palestinians alive is a wildly disproportionate and unconsciable action. Better to make that argument than attempt to do denialism, when the evidence may be damning for those individuals we don't know, and thus play in to Israel's framing. Quote TEL AVIV—At least 12 employees of the U.N.’s Palestinian refugee agency had connections to Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel and around 10% of all of its Gaza staff have ties to Islamist militant groups, according to intelligence reports reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. The information in the intelligence reports—based on what an official described as very sensitive signals intelligence as well as cellphone tracking data, interrogations of captured Hamas fighters and documents recovered from dead militants, among other things—were part of a briefing given by Israel to U.S. officials that led Washington and others to suspend aid to Unrwa. Intelligence estimates shared with the U.S. conclude that around 1,200 of Unrwa’s roughly 12,000 employees in Gaza have links to Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and about half have close relatives who belong to the Islamist militant groups. Two officials familiar with the intelligence said the Unrwa employees considered to have ties with militant groups were deemed to be “operatives,” indicating they took active part in the organization’s military or political framework. The report said 23% of Unrwa’s male employees had ties to Hamas, a higher percentage than the average of 15% for adult males in Gaza, indicating a higher politicization of the agency than the population at large. One Unrwa employee set up an operations room for Palestinian Islamic Jihad on Oct. 8, the day after the attack. Three other employees, including another Arabic teacher at an Unrwa school, received a text from Hamas to arm themselves at a staging area close to the border the night before the attack. It was unclear whether they went. Since Oct. 7, Hamas has stolen more than $1 million worth of Unrwa supplies, including fuel and trucks, according to the intelligence report. The intelligence assessment alleges that Hamas operatives are so deeply enmeshed within the Unrwa aid-delivery enterprise as to coordinate transfers for the organization. 3
ClashAndBurn Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Dephira said: You want so badly for Israeli propaganda to be true so that Gazans starving can be morally justifiable 2
Luckitty Posted January 30 Posted January 30 13 hours ago, Jjang said: and westerners still act like they're just a fringe part of society.. israelis have always been pro-genocide... that's literally how they established their colony in palestine 1
Luckitty Posted January 30 Posted January 30 zionist terrorists massacred Palestinian patients in a hospital 1
Hurem Posted January 30 Posted January 30 14 hours ago, Jjang said: I feel so sickened by this because it's getting REALLY hard not to judge the entire country of Israel for their governments' war crimes, but this type of stats makes my blood boil. What a disgusting nation, if the numbers are true. 4 1
State of Grace. Posted January 30 Posted January 30 This is actually insane. And its in the West Bank. 1
Letemtalk Posted January 31 Posted January 31 The British Labour party is suspending another non-white MP who used the word genocide. Quote Labour has just suspended left-wing MP Kate Osamor. Her crime? Describe Israel's onslaught on Gaza as a genocide, just days after the highest court on earth placed Israel on trial for possible genocide. Quote Meanwhile, Labour's Shadow Foreign Secretary David Lammy claims the party has always been clear through the conflict that international law must be upheld. That is a lie. Here's the sordid truth about Labour's wretched Gaza policy - and how it's allowed the Tories - and Israel - to get away with murder.
ClashAndBurn Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Inevitably the both-sides-ers will either defend all of this or ignore it. As per usual. 4
Specter Posted January 31 Posted January 31 I honestly cannot articulate how angry this UNRWA fiasco makes me, and this SICK and TWISTED normalization in cultural discourse — online and offline — of enacting and enabling abject Palestinian suffering. In a very different context I have heard sometimes people refer to leftist politics as "politics of resentment," and usually that is a snarl phrase directed at progressives. But frankly, how do you not resent the situation? Some of y'all going "um, akshually" with the cutting of aid funding??? If I start posting "links" the average Israelis have to Mossad and Shin Bet — mind you, these are not even aid organizations — with all these ~sinister implications to then argue we should raze Israel's finances? 14
playwithme Posted January 31 Posted January 31 The far-left is now pushing the narrative that Trump is going to be better for Palestine than BidenInsane copium. 9
Jjang Posted January 31 Posted January 31 a deeply insightful podcast for anyone that has an hour to spare. 1
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