Monster Megamind Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, DAP said: Muslims being antiquated about gays won’t make Israel any less reprehensible and it won’t make Palestine any less deserving of emancipation, sorry. This will always happen in war. Allies destroyed many Genrman cities like Dresden to defeat the Nazis. So many civilans including children died then too. This is similar to that. 21
Harrier Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: This will always happen in war. Allies destroyed many Genrman cities like Dresden to defeat the Nazis. So many civilans including children died then too. This is similar to that. During World War Two, what we now consider war crimes against civillians were committed in every possible direction by every power. International laws about acceptable conduct in war were created because of the absolutely horrendous civillian death tolls during the World Wars. It's been something everyone in the world has (theoretically) agreed on - let's not repeat the horrors of Dresden, the Holocaust, the Blitz, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, the firebombing of Tokyo etc etc etc So the TLDR point is never point to WW2 as a comparison for a morally acceptable way to wage war, if anything you're confirming what Israel is doing constitutes war crimes 3
bjorn Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 55 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: No she didn't. She justifies the creation of Israel with the Holocaust, which is absolutely bonkers, and then says that we can "hold two thoughts at once," which SHOULD be true but in practice isn't. Disagree with your opinion
More Than A Melody Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, bjorn said: Disagree with your opinion Disagree with the opinion that Israel should've never been created and that Jewish people should've just been accepted as refugees all over the world instead? Or disagree with the opinion that people who focus on the Israel death toll overwhelmingly ignore that Palestinians have been suffering for 75 years? 2
naval23 Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 A great thread. If anyone has any other ones please do
Monster Megamind Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, Harrier said: During World War Two, what we now consider war crimes against civillians were committed in every possible direction by every power. International laws about acceptable conduct in war were created because of the absolutely horrendous civillian death tolls during the World Wars. It's been something everyone in the world has (theoretically) agreed on - let's not repeat the horrors of Dresden, the Holocaust, the Blitz, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, the firebombing of Tokyo etc etc etc So the TLDR point is never point to WW2 as a comparison for a morally acceptable way to wage war, if anything you're confirming what Israel is doing constitutes war crimes No way to wage a morally acceptible war. Certainly not when there is a superpower involved. 3
ClashAndBurn Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Monster Megamind said: No way to wage a morally acceptible war. Certainly not when there is a superpower involved. Then Biden shouldn't be encouraging a genocide. He objectively is though, and he should pay a price for his acts of pure evil. 5
chessguy99 Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Cloröx said: Same guy who calls Kurdish freedom fighters terrorists.
Gaia Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, bjorn said: Disagree with your opinion That user disagrees with her when she blanket states Israeli civilians/children should not be punished for the crimes of IDF in the same way Palestinian civilians/children should not be punished for the crimes of Hamas. It's very telling honestly. There's always a disagreement with anyone or anything stating that innocent Israelis are not responsible for the actions of their government no matter how deplorable IDFs actions have been. There's no justification for the killings of Oct 7th. It's hard to imagine disagreeing with her despite her also very firmly stating Israel's government has committed many atrocities and Palestinians have a right to live on their land without being persecuted, displaced, or killed. But apparently after constantly being brutalized throughout human history, Jewish people wanting to return to the root of their origin and establish an independent state/safe space free of antisemitism and violence against them is deplorable and unacceptable! I guess with some people's logic, having Native American reserves in the US don't make sense? Should places like Navajo Nation (the size of a state) not exist for Native Americans to have a safe space that also ties back to what was originally their homeland in the first place? I've seen many people state Jewish people wanting an ethnically Jewish state is horrible yet the Navajo Nation is 96% ethnically Native American. Should we reverse the trusts that prevent greedy American corporations from going in and bulldozing their entire communities for new shopping centers and push the Native Americans there to the edge? Should we claim that it's immoral for any Native American to want to have land that is almost entirely Native American? Now this is no way justifies the way IDF has gone about achieving an ethnically Jewish population in Israel. Similar to the concept of bullies with "people who were hurt turn into people who hurt people" and this is what the Israeli government has turned into. While Jewish aren't wrong to want to return to Israel and have their own land, forcibly displacing millions of Palestinians and killing many in the process should not be supported. However, no amount of bitching and complaining is going to change history. We are where we are and at this point a united Israel with Israelis and Palestinians living in peace and harmony seems highly unlikely with the disdain between the two populations. A two state solution with a sovereign Palestine and separate Israel with no jurisdiction over Palestine (and no support from the West in any escalations or issues with Palestine) is the only real way both sides have a desired outcome from this situation. But it will not happen with both the IDF and Hamas. 2 2
Gaia Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Cloröx said: Just as Queen Rania said about Israel's war crimes, the actions of Oct 7th are not "defending their homeland" when it includes in the death of over a thousand Israeli civilians. How did those murders defend their homeland? By enraging Israel to then kill even more Palestinians and displace them at a horrifically faster rate? 1
ClashAndBurn Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gaia said: I guess with some people's logic, having Native American reserves in the US don't make sense? Not you using this thread to argue the morality of Native American Reservations, which the US government has routinely violated their treaties with in the centuries since the Trail of Tears. How very transparent 4 1
mystery Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Cloröx said: Wonder what he would say about Kurds then.
ClashAndBurn Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 Seems overly vindictive to go after people who have zero power and have already been blacklisted from ever getting a job this way.
More Than A Melody Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 47 minutes ago, Gaia said: That user This user has been asking you for 10 pages now, how would you resist if you were subjected to 75 years of apartheid and they murdered your entire family. You have time to write this entire essay and you still have not answered that question. Until you do, EVERYTHING you say is hypocritical. 2
Chemist Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 The number of Palestinian deaths will end up in the hundred thousands at this point
State of Grace. Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 DILO REINA Imagine if Europe had more politicians like her
Bhabylon Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 It's astounding to see the amount of gaslighting I'm seeing from the Pro-Israel "friends" I follow on social media They're twisting the fight against genocide and call to ceasefire as support of Hamas I can't tell if they're acting dense or if they genuinely think this way Luckily the gaslighting isn't working for most people
Revolution Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Cloröx said: Free Kurdistan. 2
ClashAndBurn Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bhabylon said: They're twisting the fight against genocide and call to ceasefire as support of Hamas I can't tell if they're acting dense or if they genuinely think this way That is literally the Biden Administration's stance on calling for a ceasefire. Make no mistake: Genocide Joe WANTS the massacre that's coming. All this posturing about humanitarian aid is a ruse to buy time while the US relocates military assets to have them better positioned for fighting Iran in a possible hot war. 1
Headlock Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gaia said: Now this is no way justifies the way IDF has gone about achieving an ethnically Jewish population in Israel. Similar to the concept of bullies with "people who were hurt turn into people who hurt people" and this is what the Israeli government has turned into. While Jewish aren't wrong to want to return to Israel and have their own land, forcibly displacing millions of Palestinians and killing many in the process should not be supported. By definition, the creation of a Jewish ethnostate on Palestinian land is going to call for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. How can you justify the creation of Israel… but admonish how it was created to achieve the goals set forth for its creation? Those are dissonant positions to take. You’re trying to “both-sides” yourself into a pretzel and it’s beyond ridiculous. Edited October 25, 2023 by Headlock 2 8
State of Grace. Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Headlock said: By definition, the creation of a Jewish ethnostate on Palestinian land is going to call for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. How can you justify the creation of Israel… but admonish how it was created to achieve the goals set forth for its creation? Those are dissonant positions to take. You’re trying to “both-sides” yourself into a pretzel and it’s beyond ridiculous. The "both sides" girls have been desperately trying to redefine Zionism and it's just hilarious to watch. Like not even Zionists in Israel agree with your take 5 1
Communion Posted October 25, 2023 Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gaia said: I guess with some people's logic, having Native American reserves in the US don't make sense? Of course native sovereignty makes sense. Of course native people should have their ties to the land recognized and their autonomy to self-determination. I'm glad you agree. So which part of Poland do you agree should be given up to make an indigenous Ashkenazi state? Edited October 25, 2023 by Communion 8
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