news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Nova_23]

21 minutes ago, Stankonia said:

What is the excuse for killing Palestians in the West Bank which is Hamas free?

What gives you the right to tyrannize an entire population because of the acts of a few terrorists?

What would be a proportioniate response for the thousands of innocent lives that were taken by your country over the years?

 

 

 

 

This. People talking about what the proportionate response should be from Israel. Because if Israel is allowed to bomb and murder innocent civilians as “self defense” while they’re out talking about wiping out Gaza then you could simply say Hamas was acting out in self defense for the 75 years that the Israelis have been terrorizing and murdering Palestinians.  
 

Killing civilians is never an appropriate response for any group regardless of what has happened to them. That’s collective punishment and is a war crime. And the fact that people are moving the goal posts because they see that Israel is killing civilians and are like “well what should Israel do. What response should they take?” Stop being a terrorist state aimed at ending Palestinian lives would be a start is what I would say. 

 

Hamas carried out that terrorist attack but let’s not act like Israel has been squeaky clean for the last 75 years. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Nova_23

[Aethereal]

27 minutes ago, REL said:

We left gaza in 2005

 

When Hamas shoot airstrikes towards Israel, Israel should not attack back and take revenge on innocent people. Besides the fact they have a much better economy/living standards like day and night and their defense system can defend Israelis from such attacks, there is also the displacement of 700K Palestinians and heavy amount of land they've gotten from Palestine. So yes Israel should act like the adult here, it's not like they've gotten nothing those past decades.  (all that aid from Western countries alone)

Edited October 20, 2023 by Aristotle

[Letemtalk]

3 hours ago, State of Grace. said:

Also, I just saw that Marjorie Taylor Ghoul is literally doxxing protestors from Jewish Voice for Peace on her Instagram/Twitter. How is this allowed and yet posts and account showing support to Palestine get shadow banned, restricted, and suspended?

Facebook has a long history of suppressing Palestinians and their supporters.

 

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Instead of going through the legal process of filing a court order based on Israeli criminal law to take down online content, the Cyber Unit makes appeals directly to platforms based on their own terms of service. A 2018 report by Israel’s State Attorney's office notes an extremely high compliance rate with these voluntary requests, 90 percent across all platforms.

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In one incident, Instagram restricted the hashtag #AlAqsa (#الاقصى or #الأقصى) and removed posts about Israeli police violence at the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, before Facebook acknowledged an error and reportedly reinstated some of the content.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/08/israel/palestine-facebook-censors-discussion-rights-issues

[More Than A Melody]

5 minutes ago, Nova_23 said:

This. People talking about what the proportionate response should be from Israel. Because if Israel is allowed to bomb and murder innocent civilians as “self defense” while they’re out talking about wiping out Gaza then you could simply say Hamas was acting out in self defense for the 75 years that the Israelis have been terrorizing and murdering Palestinians.  
 

Killing civilians is never an appropriate response for any group regardless of what has happened to them. That’s collective punishment and is a war crime. And the fact that people are moving the goal posts because they see that Israel is killing civilians and are like “well what should Israel do. What response should they take?” Stop being a terrorist state aimed at ending Palestinian lives would be a start is what I would say. 

 

Hamas carried out that terrorist attack but let’s not act like Israel has been squeaky clean for the last 75 years. 

Sis, that's what people need to realize. People are so traumatized by the Western demonization of Arabs that they don't realize that resisting and reacting is human. Societal change rarely happens without resistance and violence. I said "let them eat cake" a couple of pages ago and someone replied to me scandalized saying I should be banned. It's such an ignorant, reductive take.

 

Let them eat cake is attributed to Marie Antoinette, a sort of "famous last words" right as the French Revolution was brewing. Storming the Bastille was violent but necessary. It's a historical fact that most change depends on extreme acts. Even something as simple as voting rights for women ended up with hunger strikes. The Stonewall Riot wasn't exactly peaceful either. People criticized the BLM protests for being violent.

 

I'm not saying that hostages and rape and murder is a solution or that it's great that civilians are dying, but this is an extreme situation. It's 75 years of oppression, apartheid, and constant attempts at genocide, and the oppressor is a propaganda machine that got away with doing all of that with the west barely batting an eyelid to it up until very recently. I struggle to find another way for this to develop. What other choice did they have? Grin and bear? They've tried peaceful protests.

 

Israel has been pushing this idea that Hamas is ISIS which is an outrageous take, because they know the West's hatred for ISIS. They want to paint Hamas as a terrorist group instead of a resistance group. They fund Hamas because it's beneficial for them to have an enemy to demonize. If they could openly say that Palestinians are scum they would (they certainly slip up and try sometimes), so they created this big bad wolf they can cry about so the West can still see them as victims, and the mask is starting to slip off.

 

That's exactly what they did with the hospital! They bombed a hospital, thinking it'd be business as usual, because they've gotten away with bombing similar targets before, but when they saw the reaction, they realized they f*cked up, and decided to blame Hamas instead. Hamas uses civilians as human shields. Hamas bombed the hospital. Hamas has our hostages. Hamas didn't do enough for its people because they tried to resist us! Nevermind the fact that we don't allow them to do anything! Don't look at that, don't look at us, look at Hamas!

 

I was watching the documentary Born In Gaza (which is a great watch, on Netflix), it's from 2014. It's entirely told by children. One of them says that he was playing soccer with his cousins and they were bombed and his cousins died instantly in front of him. He said he wanted to grow up to become part of the resistance. He was 13 years old. And what can you tell a child like that? "Don't kill the civilians that are bringing lawn chairs to watch your house and family be bombed"?

 

The lack of empathy one has to have to watch that child talk about what happened to him and his life and experiences and think "you're a terrorist" for wanting to join the resistance... it's unexplainable. I legit don't have words.

 

Like I said, let them eat cake. The blood of all dead, on each side, is on the hands of Israel.

[RihRihGirrrl]

18 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Sis, that's what people need to realize. People are so traumatized by the Western demonization of Arabs that they don't realize that resisting and reacting is human. Societal change rarely happens without resistance and violence. I said "let them eat cake" a couple of pages ago and someone replied to me scandalized saying I should be banned. It's such an ignorant, reductive take.

 

Let them eat cake is attributed to Marie Antoinette, a sort of "famous last words" right as the French Revolution was brewing. Storming the Bastille was violent but necessary. It's a historical fact that most change depends on extreme acts. Even something as simple as voting rights for women ended up with hunger strikes. The Stonewall Riot wasn't exactly peaceful either. People criticized the BLM protests for being violent.

 

I'm not saying that hostages and rape and murder is a solution or that it's great that civilians are dying, but this is an extreme situation. It's 75 years of oppression, apartheid, and constant attempts at genocide, and the oppressor is a propaganda machine that got away with doing all of that with the west barely batting an eyelid to it up until very recently. I struggle to find another way for this to develop. What other choice did they have? Grin and bear? They've tried peaceful protests.

 

Israel has been pushing this idea that Hamas is ISIS which is an outrageous take, because they know the West's hatred for ISIS. They want to paint Hamas as a terrorist group instead of a resistance group. They fund Hamas because it's beneficial for them to have an enemy to demonize. If they could openly say that Palestinians are scum they would (they certainly slip up and try sometimes), so they created this big bad wolf they can cry about so the West can still see them as victims, and the mask is starting to slip off.

 

That's exactly what they did with the hospital! They bombed a hospital, thinking it'd be business as usual, because they've gotten away with bombing similar targets before, but when they saw the reaction, they realized they f*cked up, and decided to blame Hamas instead. Hamas uses civilians as human shields. Hamas bombed the hospital. Hamas has our hostages. Hamas didn't do enough for its people because they tried to resist us! Nevermind the fact that we don't allow them to do anything! Don't look at that, don't look at us, look at Hamas!

 

I was watching the documentary Born In Gaza (which is a great watch, on Netflix), it's from 2014. It's entirely told by children. One of them says that he was playing soccer with his cousins and they were bombed and his cousins died instantly in front of him. He said he wanted to grow up to become part of the resistance. He was 13 years old. And what can you tell a child like that? "Don't kill the civilians that are bringing lawn chairs to watch your house and family be bombed"?

 

The lack of empathy one has to have to watch that child talk about what happened to him and his life and experiences and think "you're a terrorist" for wanting to join the resistance... it's unexplainable. I legit don't have words.

 

Like I said, let them eat cake. The blood of all dead, on each side, is on the hands of Israel.

The violence all around is terrible but I absolutely agree that the Isreali Government is the source of it all! When you oppress people and treat them like animals, there WILL be resistance.

 

I watched Born in Gaza earlier this week (thanks for recommending) and it was devastating listing to each of the children's testimony 😢....I can not imagine how hardened my heart would be if I witnessed so many of my family and friends blown to pieces. 

[nooniebao]

 

[réveuse]

23 hours ago, chhalamars said:

I hope europe close their borders to "refugees" . I'm planning to imigrate and the prospect of living around homophobic people that can cut your head off is not bueno. 

 

Because of the "peaceful" people, it's gettin harder for minorities (that kind that don't hate the west) to get in. Europe is a dream for many gay people and even trans women. 

 

You are trash.

[fememeist]

The mods moderating this thread are doing a horrible job with keeping pro-genocide/zionists  in check. Some posters are still here sharing ill information about Palestinians and diminishing the humanitarian pleas. 
 

@Tsareena

[Communion]

The existence of Israel as an ethno-state puts its Jewish residents in more danger, not less:

Far-right Zionists have convinced a population of settlers that killing 4k+ Palestinians will work and there will somehow be some magical number of dead Palestinians that they can eventually hit that will make all of their neighbors quiver in fear, but it's clear all this does is signal to Israel's neighbors that the settler project has gone past its limits and any of them can end up in the same seat, facing the same arsenal of weaponry, with America's complete blessing.

[Oxygen]

19 minutes ago, fememeist said:

The mods moderating this thread are doing a horrible job with keeping pro-genocide/zionists  in check. Some posters are still here sharing ill information about Palestinians and diminishing the humanitarian pleas. 
 

@Tsareena

Y’all begged for a megathread after we warned time and time again in HQ that it won’t able to be heavily moderated as staff aren’t online 24/7, and we are unpaid volunteers having to moderate topics we aren’t exactly proficient in dealing with. So report the offending posts and we will deal with them when we can. 

[VOSS]

 

[Magic_boXX]

12 hours ago, Bloodflowers. said:

 

Omg I used to watch her coverage on WION news channel last year but then she got cut and replaced. Nice to see another news network picked her up!

 

yes she didn't like their  direction so she moved to first post, I love her coverage.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Magic_boXX

[Gaia]

I knew people were going to start getting more comfortable diminishing the Hamas attack, attributing it to Israel instead of the group that committed it, and stating there was no other alternative and they were "pushed" to that extreme.

 

 

Let's be clear that only a terrorist group would kill near 1,500 civilians in a single attack. That's not a "Resistance" and trying to desensitize and justify the Hamas attack (which is what you're doing, factually, by saying there was no other way for them to go about Israel occupation) does nothing, especially when you're asking people to have empathy while you post...that.

 

The actions of the Israeli government will NEVER be justification for the Hamas attack the same way the Hamas attack and continuous hold of hostages is not justification for Israel's killing of thousands of civilians since.

 

This thread seemingly gets more and more radical by the day, it's very interesting.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Gaia

[Cloröx]

23 minutes ago, Gaia said:

I knew people were going to start getting more comfortable diminishing the Hamas attack, attributing it to Israel instead of the group that committed it, and stating there was no other alternative and they were "pushed" to that extreme.

 

 

Let's be clear that only a terrorist group would kill near 1,500 civilians in a single attack. That's not a "Resistance" and trying to desensitize and justify the Hamas attack (which is what you're doing, factually, by saying there was no other way for them to go about Israel occupation) does nothing, especially when you're asking people to have empathy while you post...that.

 

The actions of the Israeli government will NEVER be justification for the Hamas attack the same way the Hamas attack and continuous hold of hostages is not justification for Israel's killing of thousands of civilians since.

 

This thread seemingly gets more and more radical by the day, it's very interesting.

There's nothing more radical than supporting country that performing a modern Holocaust honey

 

[Nova_23]

26 minutes ago, Gaia said:

I knew people were going to start getting more comfortable diminishing the Hamas attack, attributing it to Israel instead of the group that committed it, and stating there was no other alternative and they were "pushed" to that extreme.

 

 

Let's be clear that only a terrorist group would kill near 1,500 civilians in a single attack. That's not a "Resistance" and trying to desensitize and justify the Hamas attack (which is what you're doing, factually, by saying there was no other way for them to go about Israel occupation) does nothing, especially when you're asking people to have empathy while you post...that.

 

The actions of the Israeli government will NEVER be justification for the Hamas attack the same way the Hamas attack and continuous hold of hostages is not justification for Israel's killing of thousands of civilians since.

 

This thread seemingly gets more and more radical by the day, it's very interesting.

We would still be talking about the Hamas attack and condemning it to the highest degree but the Israeli state has committed war crime after war crime in the aftermath thats shifted the attention and rightfully so to the genocide thats taking place in Gaza/Palestine. Maybe if Israel wasn’t bombing and murdering civilians everyday, we could do the former but sorry my attention is now focused on people who actually need help at this time. 

 

The Israeli state has been murdering thousands and thousands of Palestinians. Just because it’s not “one attack” doesn’t make it any less terroristic. The IOF has been murdering palestinians in the west bank this whole time. If they retaliate you’ll label them terrorists and ignore the oppression that the Israeli state has put them under. 

 

I mean it’s literally in their police force name. Israeli OCCUPYING force. IOF. 

 

Also we aren’t excusing or condoning Hamas. We are simply pointing out how stupid and evil y’all look when you try to play the “self defense” card. 

 

Hamas only exists because of Israel. 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Nova_23

[Cloröx]

1 minute ago, Nova_23 said:

We would still be talking about the Hamas attack and condemning it to the highest degree but the Israeli state has committed war crime after war crime in the aftermath thats shifted the attention and rightfully so to the genocide thats taking place in Palestine. Maybe if Israel wasn’t bombing and murdering civilians everyday, we could do the former but sorry my attention is now focused on people who actually need help at this time. 

 

The Israeli state has been murdering thousands and thousands of Palestinians. Just because it’s not “one attack” doesn’t make it any less terroristic. 

 

We aren’t excusing or condoning Hamas. We are simply pointing out how stupid and evil y’all look when you try to play the “self defense” card. 

 

Hamas only exists because of Israel. 

And they remain silent when it comes to constant violence in West Bank + the illegal settlement

 

[Cloröx]

As usual they caught lying and deleted it but we always keep the receipt 

 

 

[Nova_23]

7 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

And they remain silent when it comes to constant violence in West Bank + the illegal settlement

 

 

Anytime they mention Hamas i just say “Okay and the West Bank? hmm” 

[Communion]

15 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Let's be clear that only a terrorist group would kill near 1,500 civilians in a single attack.

There seems to be an interesting modifier here. Can you elaborate why it'd be justified to kill 1,500 civilians... over time?

 

It is interesting how the US and the West are allowed to cross these red lines. The dropping of nuclear weapons that killed largely 200k Japanese civilians by America is often seen as justified (despite the history of evidence much not aligning with the parameters for this claim). It's seen as the US putting a stop-gap in place to countless death already happening.

 

Palestinian deaths, at their most conservative estimates, out-size Israeli deaths 10 to 1, and that figure gets closer to 20 to 1 once you go to a week before the events of 10/07. 

 

Why were the nearly 80k Palestinians that have been explicitly killed by Israeli since 1967 (with many years missing recorded data) okay to kill?

[HungryByTheBuffet]

The way this site is so anti-America, anti-West ideology, it's giving far-right

[Nova_23]

5 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

The way this site is so anti-America, anti-West ideology, it's giving far-right

This comment when Israel is literally a far right white supremacist state right now with Netanyahu as president. 

[ClashAndBurn]

2 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

The way this site is so anti-America, anti-West ideology, it's giving far-right

It is only morally correct to oppose the only country to use nuclear weapons, leading to proliferation and making the world a less safe place to live.

 

America is a state sponsor of global terrorism, with its military being the largest terrorist organization of all.

 

The far right doesn’t oppose these things. The far right believes in Western supremacy and bringing non-whites to heel.

[Communion]

26 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

so anti-America, anti-West 

Sis, I hope you know this phrasing comes off as hysterical dog whistling when posted by someone who defended Israel being an apartheid state by saying "[their] family's recollection back in South Africa of what they saw done to black South Africans was waaaaay worse than how  Palestinians get treated by Israel so I *KNOW* Israel isn't doing apartheid"  

 

Like you've explicitly referenced the experience of leaving South Africa *for* Israel in your defenses of Israeli apartheid despite the awkwardness of such meaning you not only benefitted from South African apartheid but now use such alleged perspective to downplay how Israelis benefit from the continued exploitation and suffering of Palestinians. 

 

Were Western values found in Sun City? Are Western values found in the settlements built on stolen homes in Sheik Jarrah?

Edited October 21, 2023 by Communion

[Contessa]

14 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

The way this site is so anti-America, anti-West ideology, it's giving far-right

Please educate yourself on basic politics 

[Nova_23]