news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[State of Grace.]

"Joined: October 3"

 

Imagine how tired we are of these uglies with double-digit post counts.. 

 

[FlyPirate]

3 minutes ago, MessInDistress said:

Maybe Europe doesn't need your terrorist supporting attitude.

what? I don’t support the state of Israel

 

 

anyway. let’s keep with the news

[chhalamars]

15 minutes ago, FlyPirate said:

I hope Europe never lets you in.

I know you do

11 minutes ago, FENTY. said:

Oh that’s not-

 

Europe won’t refuse you if YOU have something to offer other than being gay 

Of course I want to work and make a living. 

[Almighty Gaga]

3 hours ago, Aristotle said:

Lets say that Israel destroys the Hamas what will happen next to Palestine? Can they at least put Abbas in power? If the apartheid continues a new terrorist group will easily emerge. They need to end the apartheid.  

Israel will never destroy Hamas. No matter how much they try to convince us that their only goal is Hamas, we know that their real goal from the beginning is to wipe out Palestine and its people and steal their remaining land.

[chhalamars]

 

Finally the EU is acting. Iranian woman are thankful. It took too long.

[DAP]

26 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

So..

 

Was it a Hamas base under the church?

Or was it a Hamas rocket that misfired and COINCIDENTALLY landed exactly on the church? where hundreds of people where seeking shelter? 

 

Which narrative are we going with? 

We’ll go with Hamas disguising themselves as babies to conceal their terrorist activities

 

[bunnyeyes]

22 minutes ago, chhalamars said:

I hope europe close their borders to "refugees" . I'm planning to imigrate and the prospect of living around homophobic people that can cut your head off is not bueno. 

 

Because of the "peaceful" people, it's gettin harder for minorities (that kind that don't hate the west) to get in. Europe is a dream for many gay people and even trans women. 

 

 

 

 

[nooniebao]

 

[Nova_23]

5 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

 

they should quit in protest. All of them still there are supporting this genocide. It’s not too late to walk away. 

[nooniebao]

 

 

[Communion]

43 minutes ago, chhalamars said:

I hope europe close their borders to "refugees" . I'm planning to imigrate and the prospect of living around homophobic people that can cut your head off is not bueno. 

 

Because of the "peaceful" people, it's gettin harder for minorities (that kind that don't hate the west) to get in. Europe is a dream for many gay people and even trans women. 

 

This is such a genuinely hateful kind of post to make that I would think you'd be a troll and that your average Zionist would be smarter than to go mask off and instead frame their aggression in liberal linguistics but at the end of the day Zionism results in white supremacy so it all just checks out. 

[sunbathinganimal]

this Biden address is going to be such a mess

[RihRihGirrrl]

6 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

 

 

I hope this is true!

[Aethereal]

1 hour ago, MessInDistress said:

Can't wait for Israel to eradicate Hamas and Hezbollah.

They are going to kill thousands of civilians and many of them being children. 

[kawk]

AT THE END OF THE DAY... 

 

 

 

[mystery]

7 minutes ago, kawk said:

AT THE END OF THE DAY... 

 

 

 

Why would they accept proposals that strip them of the land that rightfully belongs to them and gives it to their occupier?

Imagine someone moving into your house and saying that most of the stuff inside and the house itself now belongs to them, with the rest of everyone around agreeing that is the truth and you need to accept it, trying to force you to accept.

Edited October 20, 2023 by mystery

[nooniebao]

 

 

 

 

 

[Aethereal]

16 minutes ago, kawk said:

AT THE END OF THE DAY... 

 

 

 

The first plan involved the displacement of 500K Palestinians of course they would reject it. Ashkenazi Jews have 30% OLD Italic ancestry (mostly before Christianity became dominant in Europe) from the Roman era and they cluster with Southern Italians who are half Middle Eastern and half European genetically, meaning they migrated outside of Levant 2000 years ago.

 

Should Europeans demand their colony in Eastern Africa because their ancestors came from the Horn of Africa 30,000 years ago?

 

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Aristotle

[Headlock]

6 hours ago, family.guy123 said:

I’m talking about the threads analyzing celebrities social media likes. I’m talking about users commenting that all Atrl Zionists seem to be Swifties (a generalization of one example I saw). I’m talking about users assuming my political positions because I happen to listen to Morgan Wallen. I’m not talking about “sides”. I’m talking about distractions. 

You are confirming this by your posts in here.

[Communion]

23 hours ago, Communion said:

It feels silly at this point to be surprised or in shock by the depravity in the responses of some American politicians, but I'm literally in awe and gobsmacked at the below:

> The original tweets being so militant in tone 

> Doubling down hours later after backlash from the uncomfortable tone

> Explicitly mourning IDF soldiers despite documented war crimes by the Israeli government

> Explicitly saying he will never support a ceasefire until Hamas is - without explanation - "neutralized"

 

I genuinely feel duped and like an idiot for buying the idea that he was a progressive and really can't imagine myself ever donating to a Democratic politician again without the clear and historical commitment to being against apartheid after seeing someone elected on progressive bonafides and populist policy turn so hard right.

 

I genuinely think the political establishment within America, by virtue of it being a gerontocracy, simply do not have millennials (or only a specific type) within their ranks and do not get just how radicalizing the failures of 9/11 were, not just logistically but that it shaped the reality to anyone born after like... 1990 that America lied about 9/11, America destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan, and it was the clearest instance of false regime change wars.

 

The desire of those within the NatSec to eagerly repeat 9/11 enthusiasm, to where it's the chosen PR'd rallying call for support of Israel - "it's Israel's 9/11! Did anyone tell us to stand down?!!?" - shows just how deep that disconnect runs, yet even a surface view of polling shows that the "Palestinians are terrorist ROACHES! Do not give them your tears!!!" line doesn't resonate with most people born sometime within the last 40 years.

 

 

Even at the height of public mourning for Israel - literally after the attack -
Sympathy for Only Israel vs Sympathies for Both or for Palestinians:

18-29: 25% vs 44% (-19)

30-44: 29%: 38% (-9)

45-64: 48% vs 24% (+24)

65+: 62% vs 21% (+41)

 

Failed policy in the Middle East has haunted every Democratic leader within a millennial's memory. GWB and the GOP are obviously demons yet also Obama and Clinton were both branded war criminals in the average young progressive's mind. To see the Democratic establishment decide *this* is the direction for the country they tie themselves to is... 

Example A:

They have to degrade young people because they know their pro-war propaganda doesn't work anymore. 

[GhostBox]

1 hour ago, Redstreak said:

Watching CNN and even official US intel has the hospital death toll at an estimated 300

They said it could be 100 to 300. 
which is far less (but still awful) than the 500 number hamas gave right after bombing their own people 💀

[Harrier]

9 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

• Multiple official Israeli accounts took accountability for blowing up the hospital immediately after it happened, claiming they had "killed terrorists"
• Israel has bombed about 10 hospitals in the past few weeks
• Israel had sent notice to evacuate this hospital among 21 other hospitals in the past week
• Israel sent notice to evacuate the hospital to the hospital director every single day for three days prior to the bombing
• It also sent notice to evacuate surrounding areas
• Israel produced laughably fabricated proof that has been debunked by multiple people to blame someone else for it
• The media has been incredibly biased towards Israel for the past few DECADES

Stop trying to act neutral. You're not neutral. This isn't up for debate. Israel bombed that hospital, alongside nine other hospitals.

1. The Israeli account in question was a random Israeli influencer with no connection to higher government, reacting in real time to the news just like anyone else

2. Israel has been asking every hospital to evacuate for days in anticipation of its ground invasion. Everywhere in Gaza city is receiving evacuation notices every day. This is not evidence of intention to attack imminently.

3. The damage on the ground is inconsistent with that of a military aristrike. It is consistent with a small impact followed by a large fire. This fact is widely agreed upon by independent observers, and is clear independent of any IDF propaganda attempts if you look at the Palestinian photos/footage of the ground yourself.

4. Videos from Al Jazeera and others show a possible interception or failure of a missile originating from Gaza and then an impact. Inconclusive due to darkness of footage.

5. The IDF call does appear to be dubious, however the other proof it provided has yet to be conclusively debunked in any way - do not pretend that it has.

 

All of this together does not provide a conclusive picture. It may be that Israel is responsible. The dubiousness of the call leans me to hypothesise that the attack may have been some kind of missile incterception mishap that the IDF are trying to cover up as a launch failure. But I DONT KNOW and I dont pretend to.

 

My point is that you and others are it choosing to believe one narrative because it aligns with your worldview and emotionality, not because of the facts. That is dangerous. It is a mistake I also made in the initial hours after the hospital new, so I understand it. But all we need to do better.

 

I don't care if I get downvoted because this needs to be said. Blindly believing anything in the fog of war, including potential misinformation, is part of how these conflicts continue to escalate. We need calm, cool heads and a ceasefire, for the sake of Palestinian lives.

 

[Redstreak]

15 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

They said it could be 100 to 300. 
which is far less (but still awful) than the 500 number hamas gave right after bombing their own people 💀

Well I also entertain the possibility that just like the numbers might be inflated, there also might be an interest to understate them  but even  100+ is devastating

[Communion]

19 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

They said it could be 100 to 300. 
which is far less (but still awful) than the 500 number hamas gave right after bombing their own people 💀

Friendly reminder to those reading that this user and another were saying just 24 hours "no more than 5 people could have died" after they gleefully thought Israel had won the propaganda war over this incident with misinformation to hide their actions. 

 

Let alone the original reported death toll estimate was 200.  So now we're back to where we started? 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Communion

[welham]

Context:

In a Knesset session where party members from both the opposition and government coalition parties got to speak; Hadash-Taal** MP Aida Touma-Sliman said in a speech against the war and targeting of the civilian population: "a child is a child is a child." In this, she equated the lives of Israeli children to those of Gazan children, saying they both deserve to live and their lives are equal. Of course, that was met with anger. Female MPs from "centrist" parties trying interrupting her by screaming (DURING the "a child is a child is a child," hence the repetition), and one of them even went on to respond in her speech by saying "the children of Gaza brought it (their deaths) upon themselves."

 

In the Twitter video, apparently a Jewish peace activist with sign using "a child is a child" slogan got the sign confiscated by a policeman, who claimed it was "provocative." I could not make the rest of what he said at the end of the video. In other related news, an Arab employee who "dared" to say the slogan was fired, and her husband's career as a professional football player is also threatened. 

 

Totally normal behavior, totally a healthy non-fascist mentality, and totally "the only democracy in the ME."

 

**Hadash-Taal is one of only two Arab parties in the Knesset, and they have a leftist Jewish MP among their ranks.