news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Aethereal]

Just now, mystery said:

Then it is a hypocritical stance from those people.

I think it bows to America. It's more about America vs China/Russia and Capitalism vs Communism than anything else for those people.

[kawk]

CNN are showing video proof of a missile launching near the hospital and FAILING or being intercepted then falling back down and landing on the hospital. Neither party purposely blew up a hospital. There you go. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by kawk

[nooniebao]

 

 

[More Than A Melody]

39 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Lot's of people who support Palestine don't support Ukraine and vice versa, lot's of Ukraine supporters don't support Palestine. 

 

Then how is his position on Russia-Ukraine relevant in this thread? The tweets they're posting from his are literal videos with all the context included 

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

 

 

Joe Biden is so far right on the issue of Israel and Palestine that he's making people who oversaw arms deals for decades freak out over how genocidal and accelerationist his administration's approach is. 

 

The entire world is approaching the reality this needs to end soon and the US is ready for Iraq 2.0.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Communion

[More Than A Melody]

32 minutes ago, Communion said:

Joe Biden is so far right on the issue of Israel and Palestine that he's making people who oversaw arms deals for decades freak out over how genocidal and accelerationist his administration's approach is. 

 

The entire world is approaching the reality this needs to end soon and the US is ready for Iraq 2.0.

I'm beginning to think the only person who would be worst to be in the White House in this context is Donald Trump, and that's where we're headed if Biden continues to plummet his approval ratings. The next five years are looking bleak.

[LookinAssHittas]

“I don’t tend to require Israel to provide proof of the claims they make… *stutters* they are an ally *stutters some more* my default position is to believe Israel”

 

 

I just can’t anymore. It’s actually insane how much of a JOKE the United States is.
 

If a friend you trust comes up to you and says “your mother is a wh0re”.. would you just believe them because they’re your friend/ally?
 

What a stupid way of thinking from this Democratic politician.

 

 

[sunbathinganimal]

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Flying home after visiting Tel Aviv, US President Joe Biden praised Egyptian president Abdel Fatah al-Sisi for agreeing to open the Rafah border crossing to allow 20 trucks carrying humanitarian aid into Gaza and told reporters he had been blunt with the Israelis about the need to support getting aid to Palestinians.

 

“But the point being if Hamas confiscates it [aid] or doesn’t let it get through, and just confiscates it, then it’s going to end because we’re not gonna be sending any humanitarian aid to Hamas if it’s going to be confiscated, that’s a commitment I’ve made,’ Biden said.

 

from The Guardian

Edited October 19, 2023 by sunbathinganimal

[Bhabylon]

Let’s just hope Israel doesn’t find a way to confiscate the aid and blame it on Hamas

[Khris]

2 minutes ago, Bhabylon said:

Let’s just hope Israel doesn’t find a way to confiscate the aid and blame it on Hamas

They already have, Biden already said it. They've been clear with their plan, intentional with their vocabulary, and confident in the fact they will get away with it since the start of this collective punishment campaign.
Regional Conflict notwithstanding.

[FOCK]

Anyway, this entire thing is an intentional part of their propaganda machine. Have people argue over the authenticity of reports, and ultimately pay less attention or consideration to the crime actually committed. 

[Headlock]

3 hours ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

Is this the same "left" that is already denying rape of women and murder of babies in this very page? you're right about one thing, the left has nothing to do with, there are equal amounts of pro-Hamas/fans of Israelis getting murdered both on the extreme left and the extreme right, it's why this stance is already being compared with QAnon and the likes, since it's mostly based on conspiracies such as "the videos and photos are A.I generated" "The US president is lying alongside Israel" "The eyewitness are lying" etc etc while basing their actual opinions on tweets with no sources.

Not you admonishing us for ~conspiracy theories~ when you are the OP and top poster of the UFO thread 

 

[chhalamars]

They keep resisting. They really don't like je...Israel  

[Relampago.]

I feel like, if nothing else, people aren’t just blindly falling for the US’s warmongering anymore. Israel is also getting its very much deserved lashings. 

 

There’s very little good coming out of this, if any, but seeing the propaganda machine fumble and fail repeatedly is somewhat nice. People are ****ing tired of war. People can’t even afford rent and seeing these western countries continue to push for war, killing innocent civilians and supporting genocidal countries, is just fueling more anger towards these politicians. Idk if anything meaningful will come from it, but it’s a far cry from 2001.

[Gaia]

Isn’t believe Israel because they’re Israel the same logic you guys used yesterday in believing Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500+ civilians with posts literally saying “we believe it because it’s Israel” 

 

Again with the hypocrisy when it’s the other way around. Blindly believing everything you read is dumb no matter which side you’re in favor of.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Gaia

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Isn’t believe Israel because they’re Israel the same logic you guys used yesterday in believing Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500+ civilians with posts literally saying “we believe it because it’s Israel” 

 

Again with the hypocrisy when it’s the other way around. Blindly believing everything you read is dumb no matter which side you’re in favor of.

You literally admitted you're biased in favor of genocidal Israel because of their superficial pro-gay rights stance. You can sit this one out.

[Relampago.]

I’m also extremely tired of the “Israel supports gays!!!! Palestinians would KILL you all!!” Like okay b****, if I hop over to Nowhere, USA and start making out with my boyfriend in the middle of Walmart I’m probably gonna get stalked and beat down, if not killed. 

 

Should we bomb these places indiscriminately then? Murder their children and frame it as an attack from a Chinese weather balloon? Should we have the US federal government establish settlements full of residents from NYC and LA in these areas while beating the **** out of these middle America people while they’re at Sunday service? Oh, that only applies to Muslim people? Work.

 

Like **** all the way off and stop using LGBTQ issues as a justification for genocide when you know damn well people using this argument would kill all queer people if they could get away with it. 

[Communion]

50 minutes ago, LookinAssHittas said:

“I don’t tend to require Israel to provide proof of the claims they make… *stutters* they are an ally *stutters some more* my default position is to believe Israel”

 

 

I just can’t anymore. It’s actually insane how much of a JOKE the United States is.
 

If a friend you trust comes up to you and says “your mother is a wh0re”.. would you just believe them because they’re your friend/ally?
 

What a stupid way of thinking from this Democratic politician.

 

 

It feels silly at this point to be surprised or in shock by the depravity in the responses of some American politicians, but I'm literally in awe and gobsmacked at the below:

> The original tweets being so militant in tone 

> Doubling down hours later after backlash from the uncomfortable tone

> Explicitly mourning IDF soldiers despite documented war crimes by the Israeli government

> Explicitly saying he will never support a ceasefire until Hamas is - without explanation - "neutralized"

 

I genuinely feel duped and like an idiot for buying the idea that he was a progressive and really can't imagine myself ever donating to a Democratic politician again without the clear and historical commitment to being against apartheid after seeing someone elected on progressive bonafides and populist policy turn so hard right.

 

I genuinely think the political establishment within America, by virtue of it being a gerontocracy, simply do not have millennials (or only a specific type) within their ranks and do not get just how radicalizing the failures of 9/11 were, not just logistically but that it shaped the reality to anyone born after like... 1990 that America lied about 9/11, America destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan, and it was the clearest instance of false regime change wars.

 

The desire of those within the NatSec to eagerly repeat 9/11 enthusiasm, to where it's the chosen PR'd rallying call for support of Israel - "it's Israel's 9/11! Did anyone tell us to stand down?!!?" - shows just how deep that disconnect runs, yet even a surface view of polling shows that the "Palestinians are terrorist ROACHES! Do not give them your tears!!!" line doesn't resonate with most people born sometime within the last 40 years.

 

 

Even at the height of public mourning for Israel - literally after the attack -
Sympathy for Only Israel vs Sympathies for Both or for Palestinians:

18-29: 25% vs 44% (-19)

30-44: 29%: 38% (-9)

45-64: 48% vs 24% (+24)

65+: 62% vs 21% (+41)

 

Failed policy in the Middle East has haunted every Democratic leader within a millennial's memory. GWB and the GOP are obviously demons yet also Obama and Clinton were both branded war criminals in the average young progressive's mind. To see the Democratic establishment decide *this* is the direction for the country they tie themselves to is... 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

It feels silly at this point to be surprised or in shock by the depravity in the responses of some American politicians, but I'm literally in awe and gobsmacked at the below:

> The original tweets being so militant in tone 

> Doubling down hours later after backlash from the uncomfortable tone

> Explicitly mourning IDF soldiers despite documented war crimes by the Israeli government

> Explicitly saying he will never support a ceasefire until Hamas is - without explanation - "neutralized"

 

I genuinely feel duped and like an idiot for buying the idea that he was a progressive and really can't imagine myself ever donating to a Democratic politician again without the clear and historical commitment to being against apartheid after seeing someone elected on progressive bonafides and populist policy turn so hard right.

 

I genuinely think the political establishment within America, by virtue of it being a gerontocracy, simply do not have millennials (or only a specific type) within their ranks and do not get just how radicalizing the failures of 9/11 were, not just logistically but that it shaped the reality to anyone born after like... 1990 that America lied about 9/11, America destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan, and it was the clearest instance of false regime change wars.

 

The desire of those within the NatSec to eagerly repeat 9/11 enthusiasm, to where it's the chosen PR'd rallying call for support of Israel - "it's Israel's 9/11! Did anyone tell us to stand down?!!?" - shows just how deep that disconnect runs, yet even a surface view of polling shows that the "Palestinians are terrorist ROACHES! Do not give them your tears!!!" line doesn't resonate with most people born sometime within the last 40 years.

 

 

Even at the height of public mourning for Israel - literally after the attack -
Sympathy for Only Israel vs Sympathies for Both or for Palestinians:

18-29: 25% vs 44% (-19)

30-44: 29%: 38% (-9)

45-64: 48% vs 24% (+24)

65+: 62% vs 21% (+41)

 

Failed policy in the Middle East has haunted every Democratic leader within a millennial's memory. GWB and the GOP are obviously demons yet also Obama and Clinton were both branded war criminals in the average young progressive's mind. To see the Democratic establishment decide *this* is the direction for the country they tie themselves to is... 

Yeah, I was going to post those Fetterman tweets but... I feel so politically homeless. It's distressing to know that even someone like him who paid progressive lipservice to get elected has governed no differently than Conor Lamb would have.

[FOCK]

24 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Isn’t believe Israel because they’re Israel the same logic you guys used yesterday in believing Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500+ civilians with posts literally saying “we believe it because it’s Israel” 

 

Again with the hypocrisy when it’s the other way around. Blindly believing everything you read is dumb no matter which side you’re in favor of.

There’s no “sides”. 

One is an occupier that has decades worth of examples of shameless “boy who cried wolf” propaganda tactics, that “investigate”themselves & bar independent journalists from verifying claims or attending scenes, even going as far as employing threats and scare tactics to prevent reporting. 
 

The other is an occupied people, documenting their own demise, who are inviting & demanding attention & investigation. 

[Redstreak]

John Fettermans statements are incredibly disappointing. It genuinely disillusions me on any self claimed “progressive” politician

[GhostBox]

 

[HungryByTheBuffet]

  

4 hours ago, Bloo said:

These reports are literally unverified and the Biden administration has walked back his statements about the claims. Even the Israeli government is refusing to confirm the allegation [1][2].

 

If you're mad at the Left for not just blindly accepting anything posted on X where fact-checkers have been completely fired... then I don't know what to tell you.

 

This might be shocking, but propaganda gets spread often in war.

I didn't say anything about the beheadings, that seems to be the only thing debunked in the sources. the rest is not, I personally do not care if the dead babied had their head attached to their bodies still or not and would like it if that discussion comes to an end.

I know there's a lot of propaganda however it is saddening to see it on this site with things like what happened on 7th of October being proclaimed as fake, it's giving holocaust deniers but even more absurd since we have SO MANY videos, and pictures, of the attacks, not to mention countless eyewitnesses and people who went through it, the individuals who committed these atrocities literally filmed them and more... your own cited sources say that.

There was intense muddling of the torture civilians went through (and still is) which is unfortunate and does not equal humanitarian ideology.

 

Same with the hospital event, it's extremely horrific but all you guys care about is who is to blame, it's this blood-seeking ideology that makes me fear for the future we're headed towards.

 

 

1 hour ago, Headlock said:

Not you admonishing us for ~conspiracy theories~ when you are the OP and top poster of the UFO thread 

 

I saw this coming lol

I'm simply providing updates on what congress of different countries and the Pentagon, NASA, etc are doing, see the difference is I can say WE DON'T KNOW what the UFOs the US and Mexico etc claim to see are or IF THEY EVEN EXIST when pressed on the issue, because I am aware there is currently no proof or trusted confirmation. (UFO technically are confirmed by NASA, Pentagon, US, etc, but I would never fault you for not believing)

It's just a fun and fairly harmless development in the world. (to me I mean, the US is taking it pretty freaking seriously what with countless politicians making it their focus)

 

So lol but there is no connection and you know it.

One "conspiracy" makes some people look at the sky more often or maybe buy a telescope, and the other one gets their hatred going and radicalizes individuals which is how terrorists, racists, nationalists, etc, come to exist.

This Western division is honestly going to lead us to the end of Western life and I'm worried.

  

2 hours ago, sunbathinganimal said:

nope still downvoting every post that criticises Joe Biden

Still better than the downvote brigade everytime time someone who's anti-war, pro-co-existence, anti-bloodshed posts

I wish fewer humans were so blood-seeking, but this site is leaving me hopeless.

Edited October 19, 2023 by HungryByTheBuffet

[sillycilla]

3 hours ago, Brunette Ambition said:

Well, Ukraine supports Israel and Russia supports Hamas, so there’s that. 
 

 

Stuff like this just shows how you all have no understanding what’s happening. US supports Ukraine because they want to destroy Russia and have them fall in line. And they support Israel to control the Middle East and take over. Of course those interests will align. They want to be one super power who controls the world which is dangerous, you need other countries to keep the US in check as well. And Russia doesn’t support Hamas lol 
 

Israel funds Hamas and works with Hamas to keep the Palestinian people in disarray. They all work together. Catch up 

 

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

Edited October 19, 2023 by sillycilla

[GhostBox]

2 hours ago, kawk said:

CNN are showing video proof of a missile launching near the hospital and FAILING or being intercepted then falling back down and landing on the hospital. Neither party purposely blew up a hospital. There you go. 

Yup I’m watching it right now as well on CNN