base talk Smallest MPG peaks?

November 21, 2023

On 11/15/2023 at 4:36 PM, XtiRih said:

But I don't deny that Britney sold more records than Christina. But the facts are that during their peak Xtina released less albums (2000s - 2, TWO + Spanish and Xmas album vs 5 for Britney)

And it is also a fact that in the period 2002-2003 when both released new albums, Stripped sold better, then in the period 2006-2008 Back to Basics won, after which in the 2010s she also sold more albums. Not to mention the fact that Moves Like Jagger+Say Something sold more than all of Britney singles from the 2010s combined

Downplaying Christina's success is stupid

and I also know that Erreur2 La Nature is sickly obsessed with Christina, which is sad

but both BOMT and Oops outdid Xtina's debut, individually. not to mention Britney's self-titled sold as much as Stripped and ITZ was in the same ballpark despite having less hits.

Onyx Hotel and DWAD solo tours both outgrossed Xtina's tour that she did with one of the biggest artists of the time :skull: so what exactly are you trying to argue?

November 21, 2023

Demi, JLo, Selena

November 21, 2023

9 hours ago, brenda-walsh said:

but both BOMT and Oops outdid Xtina's debut, individually. not to mention Britney's self-titled sold as much as Stripped and ITZ was in the same ballpark despite having less hits.

and DWAD solo tours both outgrossed Xtina's tour that she did with one of the biggest artists of the time so what exactly are you trying to argue?

What was I arguing about? You're blind? Who started writing bullshit that X peak was the smallest?

Concerts

The Onyx Hotel Tour - 54

Dream Within a Dream Tour - 69

Stripped Tour - 37

The Justified & Stripped Tour - 45

Hmmm, I wonder why

November 22, 2023

On 11/15/2023 at 10:54 PM, byzantium said:

This is an interesting question. Maybe Selena, Demi, or Lana.

Don't really agree with Lana. She was a huge cultural phenomenon in the BTD era, even if the charts didn't show it

November 22, 2023

Selena Gomez is probably the most correct answer since her stans insists she's some massive A-List MPG. Her peak is Revival and it's really not that impressive when we compare it to most actual MPGs's peaks. And most of her streaming numbers come from DJ collabs, not from her own songs. Songs like It Aint Me or Wolves would've been just as successful with literally any other female vocalist.

November 22, 2023

57 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Selena Gomez is probably the most correct answer since her stans insists she's some massive A-List MPG. Her peak is Revival and it's really not that impressive when we compare it to most actual MPGs's peaks. And most of her streaming numbers come from DJ collabs, not from her own songs. Songs like It Aint Me or Wolves would've been just as successful with literally any other female vocalist.

The right before songs with a female vocalist from both DJs:

Kygo: Carry Me (feat. Julia Michaels) 149,205,044

Marshmello: Chasing Colors (feat. Noah Cyrus) 71,123,656

November 22, 2023

1 hour ago, corotinho said:

The right before songs with a female vocalist from both DJs:

Kygo: Carry Me (feat. Julia Michaels) 149,205,044

Marshmello: Chasing Colors (feat. Noah Cyrus) 71,123,656

That's not what i meant. I mean those exact same songs with a different vocalist would've had the same success. There's nothing unique about Selena or her voice, those songs weren't a success because of her.

November 22, 2023

1 minute ago, Enrique523 said:

That's not what i meant. I mean those exact same songs with a different vocalist would've had the same success. There's nothing unique about Selena or her voice, those songs weren't a success because of her.

You're assuming this based on the voices on your head? :rip:

Marshmello has 4 billion songs, Kygo has 2. Selena has *7*. Why do you say the songs weren't a success because of her when she alone has more billions songs than both DJs TOGETHER? :bird:

November 23, 2023

On 11/16/2023 at 12:05 AM, XtiRih said:

Xtina outsold Brittany (Stripped outsold ITZ, B2B outsold Circus and Blackout. And remember, B2B was sold at double the price because it's a double disc) from 2002 until at least 2008, and later in the 2010s she sold more albums and singles than her (yes, X sold MORE ALBUMS than B ). Stats from 1998-2001 are saving Britney's ass and you know it. Xtina stated that she prefers artistic freedom and we know how both ladies are doing in 2023. Spotify? Say thank you to scandals (as always with Britney)

Screaming at the lies and delusion. Never change, Fighters. :lmao: Stripped didn't outsell Britney in the US, nor worldwide. It was sandwiched between two Britney albums and had a three-year-long promotional campaign and still couldn't crack 10M pure sales worldwide while all the main pop girl albums from 2001-2002 did it with ease (Laundry Service, Let Go, M!ssundaztood, Britney, Come Away with Me).

Forbes named Britney the most powerful celebrity in the world in 2002, something Xtina never achieved. Britney was selling out stadiums in Japan and Mexico that year, again, something Xtina never achieved and never will.

Xtina was touring theaters in Europe and Japan at the height of her career and that joint tour with JT was a colossal bomb :duck: Her star power was non-existent and not even JT + BEP could save her.

I thought she was big in Latin America? How come Britney was beating her ass without pandering to them?

You could argue that Stripped ended up being more successful than Britney in the streaming era, but then again, In the Zone stomps on Stripped with ease, so Britney wins either way. In fact, Toxic alone outstreams the entire Stripped album. :deadbanana:

Britney then released two more successful albums (ITZ and GH:MP) while Xtina was still living off Stripped aka her only globally successful era :dies: And no, B2B didn't outsell Circus. They sold pretty much the same despite B2B having the advantage of a better sales climate. But it's a good thing this is the late 2000s we're talking about and album sales were no longer the only metric of success. Circus was a much bigger era overall and you know it.

Let's compare the RIAA certifications for Blackout, B2B and Circus (all of them have been updated recently)

Albums:

3x Platinum - Circus

2x Platinum - Blackout

2x Platinum - Back to Basics

Singles:

5x Platinum - Womanizer

5x Platinum - Circus

4x Platinum - Gimme More

2x Platinum - Piece of Me

2x Platinum - If U Seek Amy

2x Platinum - Ain't No Other Man

Platinum - Break the Ice

Platinum - Radar

Platinum - Candyman

Platinum - Hurt

Xtina's "hits" from B2B are barely on par with Britney's "flops" from Blackout and Circus :eek:

Total RIAA units:

Circus - 16M

Blackout - 9M

Back to Basics - 6M

We can also compare Spotify streams and touring numbers if you'd like...

Spotify streams:

Circus - 1.1B

Blackout - 905M

Back to Basics - 496M

Tours:

The Circus Starring Britney Spears - $131M

Back to Basics Tour - $48M :rip:

Very interesting that Blackout ended up being a bigger era than Back to Basics in the end. Time, the ultimate truth teller. :heart2:

You say stats from 1998-2001 are saving Britney's ass, yet won't let go of a 20 second feature from 2011. The nerve. Britney stomped on Xtina in the 2010s no Maroon 5 song will change that.

Billboard 2010s Decade-End Chart - Top Artists:

#71. Britney Spears (#20 female)

N/A Christina Aguilera

https://www.billboard.com/charts/decade-end/top-artists/

Femme Fatale stomped on both Bionic and Burlesque, Britney Jean outsold Lotus, and Glory outsold Liberation.

Spotify streams for 2010s albums:

Femme Fatale - 702M

Glory - 442M

Britney Jean - 413M

Burlesque - 399M

Lotus - 198M

Liberation - 178M

Bionic - 145M

I won't compare their touring numbers from the 2010s to avoid you any futher embarrassment, but let's just say people weren't exactly eager to attend Xtina's shows.

And even this decade, while being semi-retired and spinning in her living room all day, Britney is still the more successful artist. She doesn't have to do Paw Patrol songs or UberEats commercials to keep the lights on.

November 23, 2023

22 minutes ago, Anticipating said:

Screaming at the lies and delusion. Never change, Fighters. Stripped didn't outsell Britney in the US, nor worldwide. It was sandwiched between two Britney albums and had a three-year-long promotional campaign and still couldn't crack 10M pure sales worldwide while all the main pop girl albums from 2001-2002 did it with ease (Laundry Service, Let Go, M!ssundaztood, Britney, Come Away with Me).

Forbes named Britney the most powerful celebrity in the world in 2002, something Xtina never achieved. Britney was selling out stadiums in Japan and Mexico that year, again, something Xtina never achieved and never will.

Xtina was touring theaters in Europe and Japan at the height of her career and that joint tour with JT was a colossal bomb Her star power was non-existent and not even JT + BEP could save her.

I thought she was big in Latin America? How come Britney was beating her ass without pandering to them?

You could argue that Stripped ended up being more successful than Britney in the streaming era, but then again, In the Zone stomps on Stripped with ease, so Britney wins either way. In fact, Toxic alone outstreams the entire Stripped album.

Britney then released two more successful albums (ITZ and GH:MP) while Xtina was still living off Stripped aka her only globally successful era And no, B2B didn't outsell Circus. They sold pretty much the same despite B2B having the advantage of a better sales climate. But it's a good thing this is the late 2000s we're talking about and album sales were no longer the only metric of success. Circus was a much bigger era overall and you know it.

Let's compare the RIAA certifications for Blackout, B2B and Circus (all of them have been updated recently)

Albums:

3x Platinum - Circus

2x Platinum - Blackout

2x Platinum - Back to Basics

Singles:

5x Platinum - Womanizer

5x Platinum - Circus

4x Platinum - Gimme More

2x Platinum - Piece of Me

2x Platinum - If U Seek Amy

2x Platinum - Ain't No Other Man

Platinum - Break the Ice

Platinum - Radar

Platinum - Candyman

Platinum - Hurt

Xtina's "hits" from B2B are barely on par with Britney's "flops" from Blackout and Circus

Total RIAA units:

Circus - 16M

Blackout - 9M

Back to Basics - 6M

We can also compare Spotify streams and touring numbers if you'd like...

Spotify streams:

Circus - 1.1B

Blackout - 905M

Back to Basics - 496M

Tours:

The Circus Starring Britney Spears - $131M

Back to Basics Tour - $48M

Very interesting that Blackout ended up being a bigger era than Back to Basics in the end. Time, the ultimate truth teller.

You say stats from 1998-2001 are saving Britney's ass, yet won't let go of a 20 second feature from 2011. The nerve. Britney stomped on Xtina in the 2010s no Maroon 5 song will change that.

Billboard 2010s Decade-End Chart - Top Artists:

#71. Britney Spears (#20 female)

N/A Christina Aguilera

https://www.billboard.com/charts/decade-end/top-artists/

Femme Fatale stomped on both Bionic and Burlesque, Britney Jean outsold Lotus, and Glory outsold Liberation.

Spotify streams for 2010s albums:

Femme Fatale - 702M

Glory - 442M

Britney Jean - 413M

Burlesque - 399M

Lotus - 198M

Liberation - 178M

Bionic - 145M

I won't compare their touring numbers from the 2010s to avoid you any futher embarrassment, but let's just say people weren't exactly eager to attend Xtina's shows.

And even this decade, while being semi-retired and spinning in her living room all day, Britney is still the more successful artist. She doesn't have to do Paw Patrol songs or UberEats commercials to keep the lights on.

1. source: chartmasters

2. What don't you understand about the word outsold? Stripped OUTSOLD Britney and In The Zone, Back to Basics OUTSOLD Circus and Blackout. Why do I care about some unofficial formula created by a random person?

3.

Billboard Music Award for Top Female Artist (singles+albums+tour)

Xtina: 2000, 2003

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Billboard_Music_Award_for_Top_Female_Artist

15 years in her career

Britney? Error as always

4. SOLO song this decade

Xtina: Loyal Brave True: 85m

Britney: less than 20m xD

btw, paw patrol? a solo song that has 40m views on YT in less than 2 months? Ok :heart2:

Featuring? Moves Like Jagger outsold and outstreamed everything Britney released in the 2010s combined

5. Pa Mis Muchachas? You mean Song of The Year, Record Of The Year and Best Urban Fusion/Performance nominee? THAT *****, WE KNOW :clap3:

6. Burlesque OUTSOLD Female Fatale, Bionic OUTSOLD Britney Jean, Lotus OUTSOLD Glory so don't lie

7. I can also pick one bad selling date: Femme Fatale Tour and its 34% of tickets sold in BRAZIL. BRAZIL, BRAZIL lmaooo :clap3:

8. Before Britney Free, Xtina had more monthly listeners and you didn't care then, kind of pathetic xD

9. my fav :heart: 2023:

November 23, 2023

and I forgot, Back to Basics OUTSOLD Circus (B2B - copy of the visualization btw) and Blackout, even though the album was twice as expensive because it's a double album <3

November 23, 2023

I think Kesha. For a couple years she was MPG.

Maybe Avril too but at least she had MPG status 2002-2007.

Edited November 23, 2023 by Raphy23

November 23, 2023

On 11/20/2023 at 10:46 PM, suburbannature said:

Demi, JLo, Selena

I feel like Demi was only a MPG in latin america, not North America, Europe and Asia. I remember I got into a massive fight with my brazilian boyfriend because I said "sad Demi wasnt/isnt as massive as Miley, Selena or Ariana."

November 23, 2023

2 minutes ago, Raphy23 said:

I feel like Demi was only a MPG in latin america, not North America, Europe and Asia. I remember I got into a massive fight with my brazilian boyfriend because I said "sad Demi wasnt/isnt as massive as Miley, Selena or Ariana."

Well.. If Demi's biggest market is Latin America, I wouldn't call her a MPG. I'm from Latin America, and her name is famous, but her music is not, since camp rock or something.

November 23, 2023

2 hours ago, Anticipating said:

Screaming at the lies and delusion. Never change, Fighters. Stripped didn't outsell Britney in the US, nor worldwide. It was sandwiched between two Britney albums and had a three-year-long promotional campaign and still couldn't crack 10M pure sales worldwide while all the main pop girl albums from 2001-2002 did it with ease (Laundry Service, Let Go, M!ssundaztood, Britney, Come Away with Me).

Forbes named Britney the most powerful celebrity in the world in 2002, something Xtina never achieved. Britney was selling out stadiums in Japan and Mexico that year, again, something Xtina never achieved and never will.

Xtina was touring theaters in Europe and Japan at the height of her career and that joint tour with JT was a colossal bomb Her star power was non-existent and not even JT + BEP could save her.

I thought she was big in Latin America? How come Britney was beating her ass without pandering to them?

You could argue that Stripped ended up being more successful than Britney in the streaming era, but then again, In the Zone stomps on Stripped with ease, so Britney wins either way. In fact, Toxic alone outstreams the entire Stripped album.

Britney then released two more successful albums (ITZ and GH:MP) while Xtina was still living off Stripped aka her only globally successful era And no, B2B didn't outsell Circus. They sold pretty much the same despite B2B having the advantage of a better sales climate. But it's a good thing this is the late 2000s we're talking about and album sales were no longer the only metric of success. Circus was a much bigger era overall and you know it.

Let's compare the RIAA certifications for Blackout, B2B and Circus (all of them have been updated recently)

Albums:

3x Platinum - Circus

2x Platinum - Blackout

2x Platinum - Back to Basics

Singles:

5x Platinum - Womanizer

5x Platinum - Circus

4x Platinum - Gimme More

2x Platinum - Piece of Me

2x Platinum - If U Seek Amy

2x Platinum - Ain't No Other Man

Platinum - Break the Ice

Platinum - Radar

Platinum - Candyman

Platinum - Hurt

Xtina's "hits" from B2B are barely on par with Britney's "flops" from Blackout and Circus

Total RIAA units:

Circus - 16M

Blackout - 9M

Back to Basics - 6M

We can also compare Spotify streams and touring numbers if you'd like...

Spotify streams:

Circus - 1.1B

Blackout - 905M

Back to Basics - 496M

Tours:

The Circus Starring Britney Spears - $131M

Back to Basics Tour - $48M

Very interesting that Blackout ended up being a bigger era than Back to Basics in the end. Time, the ultimate truth teller.

You say stats from 1998-2001 are saving Britney's ass, yet won't let go of a 20 second feature from 2011. The nerve. Britney stomped on Xtina in the 2010s no Maroon 5 song will change that.

Billboard 2010s Decade-End Chart - Top Artists:

#71. Britney Spears (#20 female)

N/A Christina Aguilera

https://www.billboard.com/charts/decade-end/top-artists/

Femme Fatale stomped on both Bionic and Burlesque, Britney Jean outsold Lotus, and Glory outsold Liberation.

Spotify streams for 2010s albums:

Femme Fatale - 702M

Glory - 442M

Britney Jean - 413M

Burlesque - 399M

Lotus - 198M

Liberation - 178M

Bionic - 145M

I won't compare their touring numbers from the 2010s to avoid you any futher embarrassment, but let's just say people weren't exactly eager to attend Xtina's shows.

And even this decade, while being semi-retired and spinning in her living room all day, Britney is still the more successful artist. She doesn't have to do Paw Patrol songs or UberEats commercials to keep the lights on.

Did you have to scalp them?

November 23, 2023

2 hours ago, Anticipating said:

Toxic alone outstreams the entire Stripped album.

:chick2:

November 23, 2023

2 minutes ago, XtiRih said:

gibberish

ChartMasters >>> ATRL user XtiRih. Prove to me that Stripped outsold Britney. :lmao:

Britney sold 4.4M in the US according to Billboard + 588K at BMG Music Club = ~5M. Stripped sold 4.4M according to Billboard + under 198K at BMG Music Club (assuming it was even sold there).

According to the IFPI, Stripped sold less than 4M copies worldwide in 2002 (x) and around 3.5M in 2003 (x). That's barely 7.5M in 2 years. Britney sold 7M in 2001 alone, in less than 2 months. (x). And these are official numbers for both so don't even try it.

RCA won't give us any updated figures so we'll have to settle with estimations, and I'll definitely trust ChartMasters and their years of research over a delusional Xtina stan. :dies:

And Back to Basics didn't outsell Circus either. You just made that up. Again, receipts? :rip:

We been knew Xtina had better airplay than Britney in the beginning of their careers. Back in the day you only had two metrics of success. Album sales and airplay. Single sales were dead and streaming didn't exist yet. You really think you clocked me huh :laugh: Now pull Billboard's album lists or their boxscores and they tell a completely different story.

Top Billboard 200 Album Artist - Female (1999):

#1 Britney Spears

N/A Christina Aguilera

Top Billboard 200 Album Artist - Female (2000):

#1 Britney Spears

N/A Christina Aguilera

Top Billboard 200 Album Artist - Female (2001):

#3 Britney Spears

N/A Christina Aguilera

Top Billboard 200 Album Artist - Female (2002):

#2 Britney Spears

N/A Christina Aguilera

Top Billboard 200 Album Artist - Female (2004):

#3 Britney Spears

N/A Christina Aguilera

Top Billboard 200 Album Artist - Female (2009):

#4 Britney Spears

N/A Christina Aguilera

What does a poorly photoshopped TIME cover from a decade ago have to do with anything? You just be saying anything Meanwhile Britney effortlessly made the list 23 years into her career, but congrats I guess?

Yes, Xtina is a feature on Moves Like Jagger. See, you're not that slow. :heart: Lauren Bennett had a bigger song than most MPG in the 2010s decade, also with a featuring... I guess she also outsold all our faves!

2.3B views. Who's doing it like Ms. Bennett? :eek: This is exactly how y'all sound :rip:

You just don't get tired of making up numbers :dies: Burlesque didn't outsell Femme Fatale. Prove to me that it did. Lotus sold like 10K more physical than Britney Jean in the US.. congrats I guess, but we're not in the stone age anymore. BJ is nearing 700K in the US now while Lotus barely crossed 500K. One also spawned a Multi-Platinum SOLO hit, the other... remind me, how much did Your Body sell? Asking for a friend.

Friendly reminder: This thread is about SUCCESS. Pa Mis Muchachas was a massive bomb in every metric (Spotify, YouTube, Apple Music, iTunes, etc). But here's the (Latin) Grammy card. :heart2:

The Femme Fatale Tour still grossed nearly $4M in Brazil. Xtina has NEVER done that and never will. They barely even know who she there. :rip: Meanwhile Xtina couldn't sell 5K tickets in Paris out of all places. I can gladly pull more numbers if you'd like! Even her own country said NO :foxaylove2:

Xtina never outstreamed Britney. Not before #FreeBritney, and certainly not now. She had more monthly listeners thanks to A Great Big World but Britney always did better regardless. Streams =/= monthly listeners. And now Britney beats her in both. Welcome to 2023. :heart2: And you know damn well Britney hasn't released any solo singles this decade, so what exactly are you comparing that Xtina song to? And 40M streams? Bffr :bibliahh: Let me guess. You're counting those ad generated YouTube views that don't count towards any chart in the world?

Fighters gotta be the only fan base bragging about festivals, free concerts and private shows in 2023. :lmao: The bar is in hell. How about her own tours? Her albums? Her music? Can y'all please update us on that? :foxaylove3: