GentleEarthquake Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 The big bang, she invented what we know as GLOBAL. When she decides to come back it'd be over for the other girls 3
Tropez Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said: Let the children KNOW. Even Madonna would tell them this as she stands on Ms. Summer's shoulders. She wouldn't have been able to dominate later and break the commercial glass ceiling for women had Donna not paved the road for her in the 70s, popularizing Dance music, the genre that Madonna would frequently inhabit in her career. Not to mention being unafraid to show the sexual and sensual side of femininity. 1
Soda Pop Queen Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tropez said: Not to mention being unafraid to show the sexual and sensual side of femininity. That part. All the girls of the last 40 years owe a great debt to her.
Cain Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, GentleEarthquake said: The big bang, she invented what we know as GLOBAL. When she decides to come back it'd be over for the other girls Taylocal could never, she’s not even big in all of this solar system
Mitsouko Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 For all intents and purposes it is Madonna since ATRL’s own idea of what an “MPG” is did not exist until Madonna invented it. 3 1 1
Eternium Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 3 hours ago, John Slayne said: Madonna was the first global MPG You realize Madonna is significantly younger than that, right? She didn’t even debut until the 1980s 1 hour ago, Soda Pop Queen said: Let the children KNOW. Even Madonna would tell them this as she stands on Ms. Summer's shoulders. She wouldn't have been able to dominate later and break the commercial glass ceiling for women had Donna not paved the road for her in the 70s, popularizing Dance music, the genre that Madonna would frequently inhabit in her career. The 70s? Judy Garland literally invented the pop girl archetype in the 40s, Patti Page was the 1950s and The Supremes, Cher, Barbra Streisand, etc. were already global in the 1960s. Donna Summer is incredibly impactful, but she’s way too young, too. A black artist is a great choice, though, as many fled to Europe after having success in the U.S. but struggling with the harsh political climate. Eartha Kitt immediately comes to mind.
Soda Pop Queen Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 34 minutes ago, Eternium said: You realize Madonna is significantly younger than that, right? She didn’t even debut until the 1980s The 70s? Judy Garland literally invented the pop girl archetype in the 40s, Patti Page was the 1950s and The Supremes, Cher, Barbra Streisand, etc. were already global in the 1960s. Donna Summer is incredibly impactful, but she’s way too young, too. A black artist is a great choice, though, as many fled to Europe after having success in the U.S. but struggling with the harsh political climate. Eartha Kitt immediately comes to mind. For the purposes of this forum and how the term "MPG" is used, I fully recognize that Diana/The Supremes and Cher are also great choices for being OGs but I was reacting to the claim that that one font made about there not being a global girl before Madonna, diminishing Donna Summer's previous international commercial success in the process. Everyone stands on someone else's shoulders of course but it's hard to imagine what many big pop girls would look like, sound like and move like in their career had it not been for Donna Summer. 1
Trash Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Cain said: Eve sweetie Liliith, sweetie.
Cameltoe Chariot Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Alaska. said: The first gay icon: Judy Garland A spill!
Planet Mars Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 The Pop girl type archetype we know today ws pioneered by Madonna, then Janet. However they're precursor was Diana Ross. She was image, she was a diva, she was as crossover as it got and a HUGE gay icon. 5
Apolonio ₃₄ Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 5 hours ago, orange22 said: The woman on the floor is sending me.
SleepNoMore Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) Madonna is the only answer. She’s the template, the blueprint, the first pop girl to become a worldbeating cultural phenomenon that actually changed the trajectory of what female artists could be, what they could achieve, forever. Edited November 7, 2023 by SleepNoMore 4 1
Brave_ Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 By the full and most widely accepted standards, it’s Diana Ross. I know it’s taboo to mention the M word in this specific topic but it’s unfair and dishonest not to; Madonna took it to an unforeseen ‘rebooted’ standard - that has yet to be fully reached to this day, like both MJs. 2
Brave_ Posted November 7, 2023 Posted November 7, 2023 A lot of the non-Diana Ross predecessors checked off some important MPG boxes, but Diana was the only artist who fully embodied that idea in full pre-Madonna (no pun intended)
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