news Biden losing to Trump in new swing state polls, Dems don't want Joe or Kamala

[FreeXone]

5 hours ago, Eat The Acid said:

Nikki Hayley is very popular amongst Republicans. She’s winning them over each debate. She’s a hard hitter and would likely appeal to Republicans as well as democrats only interested in identity politics. She’d also easily sway the independents disgusted at the idea of genocide. She’d wipe the floor with Biden. In fact I think polls show she’s the candidate that would beat him by the largest margin. 

Most republicans I know agree with Israel it’s only dems who seem to be upset about Palestine 

[Eat The Acid]

1 hour ago, FreeXone said:

Most republicans I know agree with Israel it’s only dems who seem to be upset about Palestine 

Oh I know she’d have an even harder stand on Israel. The point is no matter what - in the debates republicans will note how horrible Biden handled this - even if they would have done it worse - as it will easily sway voters.

[XAMJ]

Well it looks like polls ain’t **** lol 

 

blue wave coming in 2024

[Communion]

21 minutes ago, XAMJ said:

Well it looks like polls ain’t **** lol 

 

blue wave coming in 2024

 

[Sannie]

 Last night showing how wrong polls were yet again because the pollsters do not know how to accurately poll the new voting demographic.  The progressives getting excited about the idea of Trump winning and thousands, if not millions of LGBT, POC, and immigrants suffering, all so they can say "I told you so". Deranged.

[brooklyndaddy]

2 minutes ago, Sannie said:

 Last night showing how wrong polls were yet again because the pollsters do not know how to accurately poll the new voting demographic.  The progressives getting excited about the idea of Trump winning and thousands, if not millions of LGBT, POC, and immigrants suffering, all so they can say "I told you so". Deranged.

It’s wild seeing how much allegedly empathetic progressives love the sound of their own voice… will never understand the whole self righteous “I don’t believe in the system anyway” thing. We get it! You’d like to shove it or whatever to the democrats. 

[Kassi]

Yeah progressives whole theory of change kind of flopped. I recognized this by 2020 after trying to take them seriously in 2016. I think it's safe to ignore them going forward. 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

Last night showing how wrong polls were yet again 

This is your takeaway from polls accurately predicting Beshear winning?

 

What polls were inaccurate?

 

Polls predicted Beshear winning. 

They predicted Issue 1 and 2 passing. 

They predicted Pressley losing. 

 

The genuine anti-intellectualism liberals have decided to take up because they cannot stomach the realities of Biden's weaknesses feels no different than MAGA election denialism. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

Last night's elections went how the polls said they would, but that's somehow proof that the polls for NEXT YEAR are completely wrong? Okay.  

[nadiamendell]

People in here not understanding that the lack of support for Biden doesn't necessarily mean a lack of support for other democrats.  You all need to go back to school. 

 

 

[Sergi91]

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

 Last night showing how wrong polls were yet again because the pollsters do not know how to accurately poll the new voting demographic.  The progressives getting excited about the idea of Trump winning and thousands, if not millions of LGBT, POC, and immigrants suffering, all so they can say "I told you so". Deranged.

 

1 hour ago, Kassi said:

Yeah progressives whole theory of change kind of flopped. I recognized this by 2020 after trying to take them seriously in 2016. I think it's safe to ignore them going forward. 

I hope no one here is salivating at the idea of Trump winning again just to say “I told you so”… especially when their rights are at risk. 

 

[Reginald]

5 minutes ago, Sergi91 said:

 

I hope no one here is salivating at the idea of Trump winning again just to say “I told you so”… especially when their rights are at risk. 

 

This. It feels like the whole narrative of "anti-biden (pro-trump) progressive" is a strawman argument, I've never met anyone like that in real life. Actual, effective leftists are absolutely panicking about the dire state of things, and holding their nose while voting for the lesser of two evils. 

[dawnettakins]

My takeaway from last night, other than Americans continuing to prove they are pro-choice and sick of the GOP policies and stance on this issue, is just how selfish Biden is.

 

Putting himself above the country. It's important to remember he was NOT on the ballot last night, and in fact nearly 3/4ths of the electorate don't want him to be 

 

If he chooses to stay in it will be for ego and selfish reasons, not for the good of the country or for helping the Democratic party win in 2024. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by dawnettakins

[nadiamendell]

17 hours ago, Gottasadae said:

Considering that Trump endorsed puppets are keep falling like dominoes in recent elections, these polls seems to be very legit 

 

13 hours ago, XAMJ said:

Well it looks like polls ain’t **** lol 

 

blue wave coming in 2024

 

4 hours ago, Sannie said:

 Last night showing how wrong polls were yet again because the pollsters do not know how to accurately poll the new voting demographic.  The progressives getting excited about the idea of Trump winning and thousands, if not millions of LGBT, POC, and immigrants suffering, all so they can say "I told you so". Deranged.

 

4 hours ago, brooklyndaddy said:

It’s wild seeing how much allegedly empathetic progressives love the sound of their own voice… will never understand the whole self righteous “I don’t believe in the system anyway” thing. We get it! You’d like to shove it or whatever to the democrats. 

 

3 hours ago, Kassi said:

Yeah progressives whole theory of change kind of flopped. I recognized this by 2020 after trying to take them seriously in 2016. I think it's safe to ignore them going forward. 

You're all clearly missing the key element in the polls where "generic democrat" beats Trump, but when they switch the options to Biden vs. Trump, Biden loses.  The problem is Biden. 

[ClashAndBurn]

4 hours ago, Communion said:

This is your takeaway from polls accurately predicting Beshear winning?

 

What polls were inaccurate?

 

Polls predicted Beshear winning. 

They predicted Issue 1 and 2 passing. 

They predicted Pressley losing. 

 

The genuine anti-intellectualism liberals have decided to take up because they cannot stomach the realities of Biden's weaknesses feels no different than MAGA election denialism. 

Even Matt Yglesias thinks their takeaways are ridiculous  

 

 

 

[dawnettakins]

Yea, the constant gaslighting and bad faith rhetoric mainstream liberals and neoliberals alike engage in is really quite something.

 

They'll twist any fact or data point to justify their positions and losing policies/strategies.

Edited November 8, 2023 by dawnettakins

[Kassi]

3 hours ago, nadiamendell said:

You're all clearly missing the key element in the polls where "generic democrat" beats Trump, but when they switch the options to Biden vs. Trump, Biden loses.  The problem is Biden. 

So true, sister. Biden must step aside and hand the torch to a blank slate that no one objects to and who is impossible to campaign against because they're a disembodied collection of policies as imagined by each voter.

 

Why didn’t the Dems just think of that? 

[ClashAndBurn]

Update with new swing state polls from Emerson:

 

 

Seems more realistic, but I’d imagine Nevada would still end up closer than this. @Bears01 @Communion @Espresso

[GhostBox]

6 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Update with new swing state polls from Emerson:

 

 

Seems more realistic, but I’d imagine Nevada would still end up closer than this. @Bears01 @Communion @Espresso

No flop Emerson 😂

[nadiamendell]

56 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Update with new swing state polls from Emerson:

 

 

Seems more realistic, but I’d imagine Nevada would still end up closer than this. @Bears01 @Communion @Espresso

And another one! 

[DougAF]

I’m not voting for this crusty old hag. People keep trying to say that you need to vote for the lesser of two evils, otherwise we’ll lose so much progress and it’s just going to get worse. SO BE IT? 

 

We shouldn’t have to come to this point every presidential election cycle where we’re always forced to vote for the better of two bad candidates. Here’s a wild idea: democrats stop running unlikable, establishment candidates who don't fulfill any of their major campaign promises.
 

Democrats losing in 2024 just means they’ll need to wake the **** up and realize they won’t be getting votes from younger people if they keep running these geriatric, crap candidates. They are absolutely not entitled to my vote, and if Trump wins, this will be a lesson to them that they can no longer be complacent and if they ever want my vote in the future they’ll have to EARN it. 
 

Sure 2024-2028 will suck, but if we need take take two steps back in order to shoot three steps forward in 4 years then it is what it is. I’m tired of people on social media trying to shame others for abstaining from voting.

Edited November 11, 2023 by DougAF

[GhostBox]

57 minutes ago, DougAF said:

I’m not voting for this crusty old hag. People keep trying to say that you need to vote for the lesser of two evils, otherwise we’ll lose so much progress and it’s just going to get worse. SO BE IT? 

 

We shouldn’t have to come to this point every presidential election cycle where we’re always forced to vote for the better of two bad candidates. Here’s a wild idea: democrats stop running unlikable, establishment candidates who don't fulfill any of their major campaign promises.
 

Democrats losing in 2024 just means they’ll need to wake the **** up and realize they won’t be getting votes from younger people if they keep running these geriatric, crap candidates. They are absolutely not entitled to my vote, and if Trump wins, this will be a lesson to them that they can no longer be complacent and if they ever want my vote in the future they’ll have to EARN it. 
 

Sure 2024-2028 will suck, but if we need take take two steps back in order to shoot three steps forward in 4 years then it is what it is. I’m tired of people on social media trying to shame others for abstaining from voting.

😂 you thinking we are gonna be able undo 4 years of horrible decisions  of another trump president in 4 years 😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

 

you must not know how anything works 

 

 

[Prince Tommy]

On 11/8/2023 at 3:14 PM, dawnettakins said:

My takeaway from last night, other than Americans continuing to prove they are pro-choice and sick of the GOP policies and stance on this issue, is just how selfish Biden is.

 

Putting himself above the country. It's important to remember he was NOT on the ballot last night, and in fact nearly 3/4ths of the electorate don't want him to be 

 

If he chooses to stay in it will be for ego and selfish reasons, not for the good of the country or for helping the Democratic party win in 2024. 

Exactly. I remember saying that the biggest mistake about the framing of Biden's victory was that it was about him, that he would act as if people were excited for him, insulated by press and his team, instead of accepting the reality that he was not an exciting candidate - as shown in nearly every single debate and the entire primary season where everyone - including Obama hoped someone else would win  He's always wanted to be president, basically but hes delusional and no one likes him except neoliberal party insiders who frankly, should be more concerned about him obviously flopping but then again those people also support the republicans as long as the wealthy stay in power so, who cares.

 

Him still running now despite the clear signs, the way he spent no time of the last 3 years trying to bring up someone new or young, him even sending Kamala to drown on immigration back in 2020... What a legacy he will have made for himself.

[DougAF]

5 hours ago, GhostBox said:

😂 you thinking we are gonna be able undo 4 years of horrible decisions  of another trump president in 4 years 😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

 

you must not know how anything works 

 

 

Where on earth did I say that? 

[Eat The Acid]

8 hours ago, GhostBox said:

😂 you thinking we are gonna be able undo 4 years of horrible decisions  of another trump president in 4 years 😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

 

you must not know how anything works 

 

 

If you don’t like what he’s saying - then get out there and push Democrats to do better. Punching down on the voter base and progressives willing to compromise for the ABSOLUTE minimum progress - will not turn people out to vote. It will further suppress the dems reach. Is asking Biden NOT to fund genocide TOO MUCH TO ASK?
 

Honestly. I was actually giving him props for the BARE minimum he was doing for people before hand and would have voted to keep him in office over Trump.
 

BUT honestly - are you asking people to either vote FOR:

 

Genocide OR Genocide and Mass deportations.

 

Because those are the options. I hope you don’t mind if people don’t want to vote FOR either of those things.