base talk Taylor Swift's rival in commercial success is only The Beatles, agree?

[The Music Industry]

16 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Because she’s the only one who released three albums or releases multiple albums in a calender year? In other words, if she only released one album she would not be at 15 million units. 
 

Like, at this point you Swifties need to stop. By your logic, Drake is about to overtake MJ in terms of hits  Let Drake release three albums in a year and his overall consumption will be rivaling past legends as well. 

Drake literally released 3 brand new studio albums since June 2022, meanwhile in that time span Taylor released one new studio album and 2 re-recordings (including one that just came out and has no sales officially tracked yet). And he's not even coming close to Taylor's current success. I mean Taylor's re-recording of a 2014 album is literally QUADRUPLING the first week sales of Drake's last studio album released last month. 

 

Maybe do your research before posting  

Edited November 4, 2023 by The Music Industry

[Taemira]

both are the epitome of white previlige

[JaXXXon]

2 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

This never happened

You Swifties are something else: 

 

Taylor Swift in 2020: 

 

Lady Gaga in 2020: 

This is what you guys do. Negate something and then you gaslight us into thinking it never happened (“Eras film  will be a billion-dollar movie”, “Taylor is Madonna-big outside of Anglosphere” etc.) 

 

For those who did not follow this thread, Swifties claimed Swift always doubled Gaga’s monthly listeners and that they weren’t close  

 

Maybe if you guys stopped saying nonsense you’d stop getting clocked? 

Edited November 4, 2023 by JaXXXon

[Cruel Summer]

3 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

You Swifties are something else: 

 

Taylor Swift in 2020: 

 

Lady Gaga in 2020: 

This is what you guys do. Negate something and then you gaslight us into thinking it never happened (“Eras film  will be a billion-dollar movie”, “Taylor is Madonna-big outside of Anglosphere” etc.) 

 

For those who did not follow this thread, Swifties claimed Swift always doubled Gaga’s monthly listeners and that they weren’t close  

 

Maybe if you guys stopped saying nonsense you’d stop getting clocked? 

You didn't clock anyone - you literally just posted entirely different numbers. You claimed Taylor had 44 million listeners in 2022, and yet you're trying to prove that by showing she had... 48 million in 2020? And the original post that you quoted had nothing to do with Gaga, and the one you quoted here also didn't say anything about Gaga. Someone else entirely mentioned that Taylor was likely doubling Gaga's daily streams in 2022, and I'm going to go ahead and guess that's right, too! And no Swiftie has ever made any serious claim that the Eras Tour film (the most successful concert film of all time) would gross a billion dollars. 

[iam1925]

Ignore that user JaXXXon. They are spreading lies and misinformation here. Taylor is everywhere and you can't escape her, just deal with it and move on 

[PoisonedIvy]

3 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

You didn't clock anyone - you literally just posted entirely different numbers. You claimed Taylor had 44 million listeners in 2022, and yet you're trying to prove that by showing she had... 48 million in 2020? And the original post that you quoted had nothing to do with Gaga, and the one you quoted here also didn't say anything about Gaga. Someone else entirely mentioned that Taylor was likely doubling Gaga's daily streams in 2022, and I'm going to go ahead and guess that's right, too! And no Swiftie has ever made any serious claim that the Eras Tour film (the most successful concert film of all time) would gross a billion dollars. 

Yeah I was like why are they pulling 2020 numbers into this when 2022 was the original post you quoted

 

Keep clocking them sis you and @The Music Industry are tearing down each logical fallacy one by one and I’m getting my life  

 

literally EVERY excuse they have to try to diminish Taylor’s success can easily be disproven or negated with actual facts and logic.

[JaXXXon]

2 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

You would have to have listened to tracks from that album about 23,000 times for that to be true, and that’s assuming you are not on a tier with ads. The average music consumer today will never contribute even a single album equivalent unit to most of the albums they hear in their lifetime, let alone multiple, via streaming.

No matter how you may try to spin it, streaming will generate extra copies. 23,000 people buy an album and then stream it ONCE at home and you get one extra copy there already. And we both know Swifties are dedicated and won’t stream the album once but a couple of dozens if not hundreds of times and there are millions of those so it does generate sh!tloads of extra copies and that’s just from one album! Add to that the gazillion 23,000x plays from public places and your hair salon etc. and you get additional gazillion of copies that you wouldn’t have gotten in a pre-streaming era. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by JaXXXon

[alestevens]

Some people here acting as if the physical era didn't have the advantage of people buying full albums to listen to only one song. This is pretty evident by the abysmal streams some of the highest selling albums of all time get nowadays outside of the one or two singles that people actually cared about.

 

Or as if there weren't chart tricks back then. Mariah was literally selling singles at the price of an iTunes download at some point, despite them being physical copies that they had to manufacture and deliver to stores

[JaXXXon]

40 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

literally EVERY excuse they have to try to diminish Taylor’s success can easily be disproven or negated with actual facts and logic.

Can you please easily disprove with logic why Swift is N/A on charts worldwide with songs from

her latest album at the same exact time as she’s occupying the entire top 10 in Anglosphere if she’s supposed to be bigger than Madonna and rivaling the Beatles? 
 

There’s a reason it’s the world vs. you guys and it certainly ain’t because you’re right with anything. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by JaXXXon

[Avenger]

Mess of a thread. 

[JaXXXon]

2 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Taylor factually moved more Billboard units this year than any artist since Luminate started tracking sales in 1991 but sure 

 

Yes and most artists, especially Madonna or MJ, have factually never released multiple studio albums in one calendar year during their commercial peak. In fact, few have. 
 

Again, you Swifties are the only ones co-signing each others posts and logics and that says enough 

Edited November 4, 2023 by JaXXXon

[Steve Johnson]

6 times million+ debuts in this era, Wow . Taylor, you're truly the biggest artist of all time. 

[alestevens]

4 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Yes and most artist, especially Madonna or MJ have factually never released multiple studio albums in one calendar year during their commercial peak. In fact, few have. 
 

Again, you Swifties are the only ones co-signing each others posts and logics and that says enough 

Even if you remove SNTV and 1989TV Taylor would still have the biggest year since 1991 with Midnights being her only release in the last 2 years.

 

15 minutes ago, JaXXXon said:

Can you please easily dispute with logic why Swift is N/A on charts worldwide with songs from

her latest album at the same exact time as she’s occupying the entire top 10 in Anglosphere if she’s supposed to be bigger than Madonna and rivaling the Beatles? 
 

There’s a reason it’s the world vs. you guys and it certainly ain’t because you’re right with anything. 

Because this is a rerecording of an album that has been smashing for 9 years nonstop and none of the new songs was a global radio single or was receiving a clear push.

 

The album is stomping on every chart, that's what matters!

[The7thStranger]

Why does it always come down to numbers with Swifties? The apples and oranges comparisons are getting tired. Trying to compare pre-streaming era artists to post-streaming era artists is disingenuous because the artists in question are not playing the game with the same rules. And if we change out the artists, the question looks even more ridiculous.
 

Is Mozart commercially the only competition for the Beatles? Did Madonna outdo Frank Sinatra?

 

Every time I see these threads it reminds me of impossible questions with no answer, like “When did you stop beating your wife?”

[hungrymuffin]

1 hour ago, JaXXXon said:

You Swifties are something else: 

 

Taylor Swift in 2020: 

 

Lady Gaga in 2020: 

This is what you guys do. Negate something and then you gaslight us into thinking it never happened (“Eras film  will be a billion-dollar movie”, “Taylor is Madonna-big outside of Anglosphere” etc.) 

this is literally what you do, spread misinformation and post receipt that doesnt support your claims and then gaslight people into thinking swifties are lying when you are the one lying

 

this dupe account is on par with @Eternium in terms of being delusional

 

OT: i dont know how many records they have sold but from our generation she is the only one

[allforyou]

No. Elvis, MJ, Elton, Queen, Madonna, Led Zeppelin, Rihanna, Pink Floyd, Eminem, Mariah and Celine are all above Taylor in terms of commercial success.

[FailSafe]

7 minutes ago, allforyou said:

No. Elvis, MJ, Elton, Queen, Madonna, Led Zeppelin, Rihanna, Pink Floyd, Eminem, Mariah and Celine are all above Taylor in terms of commercial success.

Did they have a billion-grossing tour? Did their tour movie open with more than $100m? Did they become a billionaire through music alone? Did they move more units than Tay in a single year? Did they win 3 AOTY? Are their re-releases opened with 1.5m? Did they manage to reach their peak 17 years into their career?

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by FailSafe

[allforyou]

10 minutes ago, FailSafe said:

Did they have a billion-grossing tour? Did their tour movie open with more than $100m? Did they become a billionaire through music alone? Did they move more units than Tay in a single year? Did they win 3 AOTY? Are their re-releases opened with 1.5m? Did they manage to reach their peak 17 years into their career?

 

Movie and concert tickets were way cheaper during those artists' peaks so them having a tour gross a billion dollars or having a film open with $100M would be literally impossible  The music industry was also very different back then as first week sales didn't really matter but longevity did hence why all of them have albums selling 20-30 million copies (something Taylor doesn't have). They all have sold more records than Taylor too and are arguably more impactful than her.

[bluebirdsforever]

I am genuinely very confused why I still see so much "Taylor is only successful because of her fans mass buying xyz physical copies" as if this is 2019 and she isn't also currently the most successful artist across streaming, digital, touring, radio and physicals by a country mile.

 

You think Taylor's stats should be disregarded because of stan culture? The Beatles invented stan culture.  

 

Taylor's sustained success across all aspects of her career is unprecedented for a musician in the 21st century. Full stop, the end. You can argue whether that's deserved or not all you like, but arguing that isn't the case is ignoring objective reality at this point. Is she as big as The Beatles? I don't know if anyone can be that anymore. But she's the closest you can humanly get at this point.

[Arrows]

5 hours ago, JaXXXon said:

Outside of it, however, she's not as fortunate as she's N/A in Japan, France, Italy (where her highest charting song from said album is #93 this week), Greece, Turkey, Spain, Germany, Mexico, Brazil, Finland, Denmark, The Czech Republic, Poland and outside of the Top 30 in the Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium and Portugal so calling her popularity close to the Beatles all in all is not accurate. 

She’s literally going #1 with a massive debut in the majority of these countries this week

[Arrows]

5 hours ago, jomarr said:

Well she released three albums in less than a year. Not that it’s a bad thing but we have to consider the circumstances.

This was literally the same strategy as the Beatles.

[Solaria]

I’ll accept it if she releases a dance album for TS11

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Love Again

[stevyy]

3 hours ago, byzantium said:

You are right. There is no way humans can live past the age of 60. 

I personally do not know a 70 year old who is streaming music. Not in my family, sir. 

[Axelios]

4 hours ago, fijitears said:

I feel she’s in her own lane tbh, but definitely not commercially higher than The Beatles and Michael Jackson. Absolutely not.

 

If anything, Taylor’s exposure mirrors that of Justin Bieber’s 2009 - 2015 eras aka “Bieber Fever”. 

 

Taylor was already largely outselling Bieber between 2013 and 2015. 

Edited November 4, 2023 by Axelios

[Axelios]

1 hour ago, JaXXXon said:

Yes and most artists, especially Madonna or MJ, have factually never released multiple studio albums in one calendar year during their commercial peak. In fact, few have. 
 

Again, you Swifties are the only ones co-signing each others posts and logics and that says enough 

Releasing a lot can hurt your career. Madonna was already underperforming hard with a lot of her albums I don't see how releasing more wouldn't just acccelerate her decline even faster.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Axelios