bijonse Posted November 5, 2023 Posted November 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Sebastián Muñoz said: I'm going to explain this step by step, because I see that you are really slow with words: 1) Beyonce debuted and reached her commercial peak during a time when the music industry was much healthier than it is today, and other artists were also debuting with a million copies. 2) There are numerous albums by black artists that debuted with a million copies in the 21st century (I'm not talking about the 80s), including albums like "Confessions", "The Massacre", and "Tha Carter III." This happened during her peak of popularity as well. 3) Yes, racism is horrible and cruel, but I think there are more significant factors to explain her success. Suggesting that Beyonce isn't as successful as other artists simply because she is black is basically deeming her to fail, and it's not accurate. That's why I'm using examples of successful artists who achieved greatness regardless of their skin color (even Aretha Franklin was black). If you are trying to make a relation between two things, such as racism and album sales, you should put in more effort than simply stating: "she is black, so she's not selling a million copies because I believe people don't buy her music due to racism." These are your intuitions, and they can be easily disproven with a basic understanding of musical history. That analogy with Obama is just proving that you really don't understand anything: we are not talking about a poor little unknown black artist that is having a hard time being famous, we are talking about Beyonce. I don't understand why I have to explain that she is at the top, she is very famous and maybe her success and overall sales are not a reflection of her skin color. That is reductionist, simple and dumb. Yes, I believe racism is a real and terrible problem. No, I don't think it's really having a big impact on her sales. If you want to link the two, you should put in more effort than simply relying on vague and superficial intuitions. I stopped reading after you tried to call me slow. You KNOW that race plays a factor in how popular an artist is and that it is indeed harder for black artists to sell. I didn’t even bring it up as a reason why Beyoncé hasn’t pushed a million debut week because she’s one of the artists that’s broken through racial barriers and has mass appeal. But the very basis of your argument is the same as the undercover racist idiots that claim because Obama got elected/mj lil wayne and whitney could sell a million in a week/insert black athlete here is so popular and successful that racism is over. 1
ALΞX Posted November 5, 2023 Posted November 5, 2023 …something. not release a song and never be seen again. 🙄
Strawberry Bubble Posted November 5, 2023 Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, bijonse said: I stopped reading after you tried to call me slow. You KNOW that race plays a factor in how popular an artist is and that it is indeed harder for black artists to sell. I didn’t even bring it up as a reason why Beyoncé hasn’t pushed a million debut week because she’s one of the artists that’s broken through racial barriers and has mass appeal. But the very basis of your argument is the same as the undercover racist idiots that claim because Obama got elected/mj lil wayne and whitney could sell a million in a week/insert black athlete here is so popular and successful that racism is over. " I didn’t even bring it up as a reason why Beyoncé hasn’t pushed a million debut week because she’s one of the artists that’s broken through racial barriers and has mass appeal", there you have it, it wasn't that difficult. That's what we are discussing in this post, and that's been my main point. Recognizing Beyonce's success and breaking through racial barriers (like the other artists I have mention) is different from saying that racism doesn't exist. You are basically admitting my point. If I wanted to be mean, I would start saying: oh, but you are saying that racism is over, blah blah blah. No, I've never said that in any of those comments. Edited November 6, 2023 by Sebastián Muñoz
Kingdom Posted November 5, 2023 Posted November 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Sebastián Muñoz said: " I didn’t even bring it up as a reason why Beyoncé hasn’t pushed a million debut week because she’s one of the artists that’s broken through racial barriers and has mass appeal", there you have it, it wasn't that difficult. That's what we are discussing in this post, and that's been my main point. Recognizing Beyonce's success and breaking through racial barriers (like the other artists I have mention) is different from saying that racism doesn't exist. You are basically admitting my point. If I wanted to be mean, I would start saying: oh, but you are saying that racism is over, blah blah blah. No, I've never said that in any of those comments. Trying to call a racist to anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is a little lazy, isn't it? so you are racist...GOT IT 1
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