poll Which hitmaker has the most classics?

[Feanor]

24 minutes ago, airplane said:

Nobody really cares for Taylor's discography in the GP... you won't see the masses getting excited for her like they did for Rihanna's superbowl because the GP knows Rihanna's hits and classics by heart.

Except we saw how excited the masses got when Taylor's first two tour dates alone gave her a massive streaming boost. A boost that did not collapse immediately after just one day, but one that lasted for months upon months and was so out-of-the-ordinary that Billboard themselves even described it as "unprecedented":

 

 

It doesn't get clearer than this how the masses indeed get massively excited for Taylor.

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, airplane said:

You need to make noise outside of your fanbase, resonate with the GP and score organic non-frontloaded hits to be regarded as a hitmaker.... no 39 cent bombs allowed.

How fortunate for Taylor then that she has 13 songs getting over 1M streams daily on a random Monday. No 39 cent singles allowed indeed, just raw, organic streams of songs that have resonated and are actively being consumed by the GP.

 

[Sex with Rih]

2 hours ago, Raspberries said:

Break It Off (feat. Sean Paul)

Umbrella (feat. Jay Z)

Hate That I Love You (feat. Ne-Yo)

Hard (feat. Jeezy)

Rockstar 101 (feat. Slash)

What's My Name (feat. Drake)

S&M (feat. Britney Spears)

We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris)

Talk That Talk (feat. Jay Z)

Princess of China (with Coldplay)

Birthday Cake (feat. Chris Brown)

Stay (feat. Mikky Ekko)

Right Now (feat. David Guetta)

Loveeeeee Song (feat. Future)

FourFiveSeconds (feat. Kanye West & Paul McCartney)

Work (feat. Drake)

Nothing Is Promised (with Mike Will Made It)

Lemon (with NERD)

Believe It (with PartyNextDoor)

 

If I Never See Your Face Again (feat. Rihanna)

Live Your Life (feat. Rihanna)

Run This Town (feat. Rihanna & Kanye West)

Love The Way You Lie (feat. Rihanna)

Who's That Chick? (feat. Rihanna)

All of the Lights (feat. Rihanna & Kid Cudi)

Fly (feat. Rihanna)

Take Care (feat. Rihanna)

The Monster (feat. Rihanna)

Can't Remember to Forget You (feat. Rihanna)

This Is What You Came For (feat. Rihanna)

Too Good (feat. Rihanna)

Selfish (feat. Rihanna)

Wild Thoughts (feat. Rihanna & Bryson Tiller)

Loyalty (feat. Rihanna)

 

Out of Rihanna's 10 most streamed songs daily, a total of 3 of them are solo credited songs  

Only girl, S&M, Diamonds, LOTB, Needed Me and DSTM (6) are solo though so you need not LIE like that.

 

1 WeFoundLove +1,186M [1,318B]

#2 Diamonds +1,145M [1,175B]

#3 Umbrella +1,015M [1,285B]

#4 Stay +847k [1,126B]

#5 LoveontheBrain +821k [1,250B]

#6 OnlyGirl +812k [843M]

#7 NeededMe +657k [1,303B]

#8 TIWYCF +624k [1,543B]

#9 S&M +618k [839M]

#10 DontStopTheMusic +60

9k [799M]

[KOMH]

2 hours ago, Raspberries said:

Taylor has rarely ever chased trends  What are you talking about? There a few little examples here and there but not entire albums worth like Rihanna has in the past. That's what happens when label heads control what music you record and release  0 artist input or musical abilities. There is a reason Taylor's catalog is acclaimed and among the most lucrative in music history while the other's is basically worthless and erased outside of a few singles. You mentioning Jack as if Taylor herself isn't who made him trendy as well   

 

Taylor and Rihanna are very close on the Hot 100 All Time Artists chart. And one of them did it 99% solo. No running to Jay Z, Kanye, Eminem, etc 

 

Let's not even get into how Rihanna doesn't have a single credit on her biggest album GGGB. It's not a stretch to say that album could've been recorded by anyone. She's completely devoid of any artistic merit 

[Raspberries]

14 minutes ago, Sex with Rih said:

Only girl, S&M, Diamonds, LOTB, Needed Me and DSTM (6) are solo though so you need not LIE like that.

 

1 WeFoundLove +1,186M [1,318B]

#2 Diamonds +1,145M [1,175B]

#3 Umbrella +1,015M [1,285B]

#4 Stay +847k [1,126B]

#5 LoveontheBrain +821k [1,250B]

#6 OnlyGirl +812k [843M]

#7 NeededMe +657k [1,303B]

#8 TIWYCF +624k [1,543B]

#9 S&M +618k [839M]

#10 DontStopTheMusic +60

9k [799M]

I meant most streamed overall, sorry

 

Also your list isnt correct according to kworb

 

1. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) +1.145M

2. Diamonds +1.08M

3. Umbrella (feat. Jay Z) +993k

4. Love On the Brain +832k

5. Only Girl +811k

6. Stay (feat. Mikky Ekko) +746k

7. Needed Me +631k

8. Love the Way You Lie +623k

9. S&M +617k

10. This Is What You Came For +590k

 

That's 5 solo songs and 5 features  Still pitiful

[Raspberries]

56 minutes ago, Feanor said:

Except we saw how excited the masses got when Taylor's first two tour dates alone gave her a massive streaming boost. A boost that did not collapse immediately after just one day, but one that lasted for months upon months and was so out-of-the-ordinary that Billboard themselves even described it as "unprecedented":

 

 

It doesn't get clearer than this how the masses indeed get massively excited for Taylor.

 

 

 

How fortunate for Taylor then that she has 13 songs getting over 1M streams daily on a random Monday. No 39 cent singles allowed indeed, just raw, organic streams of songs that have resonated and are actively being consumed by the GP.

 

Them talking about fraud-free hits as if she didn't remix multiple songs and sell her albums for $0.99 (and still nobody bought them)

 

 

[airplane]

1 hour ago, Feanor said:

 

 

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How fortunate for Taylor then that she has 13 songs getting over 1M streams daily on a random Monday. No 39 cent singles allowed indeed, just raw, organic streams of songs that have resonated and are actively being consumed by the GP.

 

I know you’re not trying to shade Rihanna’s superbowl boost when her streams have literally jumped from 12M-20M on average+ the outfits which costed $2900 each were made available and sold out on the spot just 5 days ago. Very unprecedented indeed.

 

Also i wonder why Taylor’s discography experienced a resurgence? Maybe because she’s put out 300-350 songs alone this decade and is putting out an album again on Friday. It doesn’t take rocket science to figure that out. It would actually be tragic if her streams were abysmal regardless of the tiktok algorithm manipulation + the back to back album bombs 😂 Because prior to that, she was averaging 6M daily streams on Spotify last decade. Spamming worked for her. Meanwhile, Rihanna continues to have amazing catalogue streams with 8 years of musical inactivity.

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by airplane

[Raspberries]

3 minutes ago, airplane said:

I know you’re not trying to shade Rihanna’s superbowl boost when her streams have literally jumped from 12M-20M on average+ the outfits which costed $2900 each were made available and sold out on the spot just 5 days ago. Very unprecedented indeed.

 

Also i wonder why Taylor’s discography experienced a resurgence? Maybe because she’s put out 300-350 songs alone this decade 😂 Because prior to that, she was averaging 6M daily streams on Spotify last decade. Spamming worked for her. Meanwhile, Rihanna continues to have amazing catalogue streams with 8 years of musical inactivity.

 

Spamming worked for Taylor. People are consuming her entire catalog, album tracks included. They're buying up her vinyls and physicals. They're fighting over tickets to the biggest tour of all time 

 

Why didn't this strategy work for Rihanna? The most anyone did was pay $1.29 for some singles. She even tried to sell Rated R for $0.99 and still nobody cared 

[Mark Rih]

4 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Streets were saying that audience of some of those club nights outnumbered the audience number of some artists' last tours' half empti venues. How messed up if true... 

 

Thankfully they can always consider to perform in some big clubs instead 

 

 

Not club nights receipts  you guys are actually insane

 

btw I love how everytime I enter the thread the gap in poll answers has widened. Keep it going

 

 

[airplane]

4 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Spamming worked for Taylor. People are consuming her entire catalog, album tracks included. They're buying up her vinyls and physicals. They're fighting over tickets to the biggest tour of all time 

 

Why didn't this strategy work for Rihanna? The most anyone did was pay $1.29 for some singles. She even tried to sell Rated R for $0.99 and still nobody cared 

Rihanna didn’t have a cultish fanbase mass buying her albums so it could form a clock, nor did Rihanna ever beg her fans because her albums felt lonely at the store, nor did she ever put out 20 versions/ formats of the same album. Despite that, she managed to sell an average of 4.1M copies across 8 albums ORGANICALLY which is actually pretty decent.

Edited October 25, 2023 by airplane

[Raspberries]

2 minutes ago, airplane said:

Rihanna didn’t have a cultish fanbase mass buying her albums so it could form a clock, nor did Rihanna ever beg her fans because her albums felt lonely at the store, nor did she ever put out 20 versions/ formats of the same album. Despite that, she managed to sell an average of 4.1M copies across 8 albums ORGANICALLY which is actually pretty decent.

So now you're trying to drag Taylor for....having fans . Maybe Rihanna should have cultivated a fanbase so she could sell out arenas consistently, something she has never been able to do across her nearly 20 year career

 

She literally sold her brand new album (the follow up to her biggest album at that) for the price of a stick of gum and still nobody bought it. At least when Gaga did it she managed to get a 1M+ opening. Rihanna's album didn't even debut in the top 2  

[airplane]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

So now you're trying to drag Taylor for....having fans . Maybe Rihanna should have cultivated a fanbase so she could sell out arenas consistently, something she has never been able to do across her nearly 20 year career

 

She literally sold her brand new album (the follow up to her biggest album at that) for the price of a stick of gum and still nobody bought it. At least when Gaga did it she managed to get a 1M+ opening. Rihanna's album didn't even debut in the top 2  

Rihanna was able to sell stadiums in certain countries 6 years into her career while it took Taylor 18 years and 14 albums to do so   

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

I know you’re not trying to shade Rihanna’s superbowl boost when her streams have literally jumped from 12M-20M on average…

Who's shading her Super Bowl boost? You brought her Super Bowl boost as evidence of how the masses get excited about Rihanna, so I brought up Taylor's even more impressive touring boost as proof of how those same masses also get excited about Taylor, a truth you tried and failed to deny.

 

1 minute ago, airplane said:

Also i wonder why Taylor’s discography experienced a resurgence? Maybe because she’s put out 300-350 songs alone this decade 😂

So did Ed Sheeran and Drake and Bad Bunny, all among the 5 most streamed artists ever, yet none of them has been able to replicate what Taylor has achieved.  

Also Taylor did not release a single new song from the moment the tour kicked off to May 25 (which is when the Billboard graph above ends), and yet her streams still exploded and kept increasing for months, even without new material, thus directly proving that Taylor did not need new songs to have her catalogue surge.

 

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Because prior to that, she was averaging 6M daily streams on Spotify last decade. Spamming worked for her while Rihanna continues to have amazing catalogue streams with 8 years of musical inactivity.

And how is this relevant to your statement that Taylor can't get the masses excited like Rihanna?

Because the numbers prove that she can quite easily…

[Raspberries]

3 minutes ago, airplane said:

Rihanna was able to sell stadiums in certain countries 6 years into her career while it took Taylor 18 years and 14 albums to do so   

Taylor has been playing stadiums on her tours literally since her first headlining tour  

 

Speak Now Tour (2011): 8 stadium dates

 

Rihanna that same year:

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https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-hard-rock-casino

https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-bank-atlantic-center

 

 

[Sex with Rih]

1 hour ago, Raspberries said:

I meant most streamed overall, sorry

 

Also your list isnt correct according to kworb

 

1. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) +1.145M

2. Diamonds +1.08M

3. Umbrella (feat. Jay Z) +993k

4. Love On the Brain +832k

5. Only Girl +811k

6. Stay (feat. Mikky Ekko) +746k

7. Needed Me +631k

8. Love the Way You Lie +623k

9. S&M +617k

10. This Is What You Came For +590k

 

That's 5 solo songs and 5 features  Still pitiful

So not 3? So you lied?

And also, LTWYL is not on Rih's Spotify page.

[airplane]

16 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Taylor has been playing stadiums on her tours literally since her first headlining tour  

 

Speak Now Tour (2011): 8 stadium dates

 

Rihanna that same year:

https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-air-canada-center

https://www.groupon.com/deals/palace-auburn-hills-rihanna

https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-oracle-arena

https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-greensboro-coliseum-complex

https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-united-center

https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-american-airlines-center

https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-hard-rock-casino

https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-bank-atlantic-center

 

 

Let me reiterate: Rihanna was Playing stadiums in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Oceania etc 6 years into her career.

[Raspberries]

14 minutes ago, airplane said:

Let me reiterate: Rihanna was Playing stadiums in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Oceania etc 6 years into her career.

Let me revise that for you: Rihanna played stadiums in Europe and Africa. The Middle East date is Israel (big yikes) and it's just a park. Even Britney can play there  None in North America. None in Japan. None in Latin America. Pretty embarrassing for the so-called hitmaker of her generation

 

Rihanna has never played a stadium in Oceania. In fact, one of her shows for the Diamonds World Tour was a 9k arena. Why do you feel the need to lie? 

 

Taylor 6 years into her career (The Red Tour) played stadiums in North America, Oceania and Asia 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Raspberries

[Raphy23]

2 hours ago, Feanor said:

 

It doesn't get clearer than this how the masses indeed get massively excited for Taylor.

 

I feel like the masses have only discovered Taylor's music in 2022/2023 and they are now obsessed.

[Feanor]

14 minutes ago, airplane said:

Let me reiterate: Rihanna was Playing stadiums in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Oceania etc 6 years into her career.

6 years into her career brings us to 2011 and to Rihanna's Loud Tour, her 4th concert tour after 5 studio albums.

Looking at its tour dates, Rihanna played no stadiums in Europe, Africa, the Middle East or Oceania, only arenas.

 

The appropriate point of comparison would be to look at Taylor's own 4th concert tour after 5 studio albums, which happens to the The 1989 Tour that had 32 sold-out stadium shows.

[Raspberries]

Just now, airplane said:

Europe[56]
May 26, 2013	Bilbao	Spain	Bizkaia Arena	GTA	13,770 / 13,770	$995,676
May 28, 2013	Lisbon	Portugal	MEO Arena		18,006 / 18,006	$1,151,120
May 30, 2013	Istanbul	Turkey	İnönü Stadium		33,483 / 33,483	$3,547,707
June 1, 2013	Barcelona	Spain	Palau Sant Jordi		17,761 / 17,761	$1,339,319
June 2, 2013	Montpellier	France	Park&Suites Arena		12,627 / 12,627	$915,172
June 3, 2013	Lyon		Halle Tony Garnier	GTA  HAIM	15,339 / 15,339	$994,578
June 5, 2013	Antwerp	Belgium	Sportpaleis		39,436 / 39,436	$2,881,499
June 6, 2013
June 8, 2013	Saint-Denis	France	Stade de France	David Guetta GTA	75,841 / 75,841	$6,488,029
June 10, 2013	Cardiff	Wales	Millennium Stadium		60,307 / 60,307	$4,647,267
June 12, 2013	Manchester	England	Manchester Arena	GTA	55,687 / 55,687	$4,677,878
June 13, 2013
June 15, 2013	London		Twickenham Stadium	David Guetta  GTA	95,971 / 95,971	$8,656,858
June 16, 2013
June 17, 2013	Birmingham		LG Arena	GTA	28,160 / 28,160	$2,446,331
June 20, 2013	Sunderland		Stadium of Light	David Guetta  GTA	54,259 / 54,259	$4,413,716
June 21, 2013	Dublin	Ireland	Aviva Stadium	GTA	48,482 / 48,482	$4,956,284
June 23, 2013	Amsterdam	Netherlands	Ziggo Dome		33,369 / 33,369	$2,354,542
June 24, 2013
June 26, 2013	Cologne	Germany	Lanxess Arena		31,507 / 31,507	$2,560,136
June 27, 2013
June 29, 2013	Zürich	Switzerland	Hallenstadion		27,122 / 27,122	$2,380,749
June 30, 2013
July 2, 2013	Berlin	Germany	O2 World		13,649 / 13,649	$1,079,422
July 3, 2013	Hanover		TUI Arena		10,888 / 10,888	$917,312
July 5, 2013[f]	Roskilde	Denmark	Roskilde Festival	—	—	—
July 7, 2013[g]	Gdynia	Poland	Babie Doły Airport	Dizzee Rascal	—	—
July 9, 2013	Vienna	Austria	Wiener Stadthalle	GTA  HAIM	15,990 / 15,990	$1,306,615
July 10, 2013[h]	Monte Carlo	Monaco	Salle des Étoiles	—	—	—
July 11, 2013[h]
July 13, 2013

Perth and Kinross Scotland Balado July 15, 2013 Manchester England Manchester Arena GTA ^{[j] [j]} July 16, 2013 July 18, 2013 Birmingham LG Arena ^{[k] [k]} July 20, 2013 Lille France Stade Pierre-Mauroy — 27,294 / 27,294 $2,188,620 July 22, 2013 Stockholm Sweden Ericsson Globe GTA 13,929 / 13,929 $1,226,039 July 25, 2013 Oslo Norway Telenor Arena 17,832 / 17,832 $2,250,403 July 26, 2013 Bergen Koengen 20,125 / 20,125 $2,516,799 July 28, 2013^[l] Helsinki Finland Hartwall Arena 12,111 / 12,111 $1,198,861 Asia^[60][61] September 13, 2013 Cotai Macau Cotai Arena GTA 24,872 / 24,872 $2,909,479 September 14, 2013 September 19, 2013 Pasay Philippines Mall of Asia Arena 8,118 / 9,743 $810,543 September 22, 2013^[m] Singapore Padang — — Oceania^[61] September 24, 2013 Perth Australia Perth Arena GTA 13,222 / 13,222 $1,535,953 September 26, 2013 Adelaide Adelaide Entertainment Centre 9,281 / 9,281 $1,037,041 September 28, 2013 Brisbane Brisbane Entertainment Centre 12,116 / 12,116 $1,341,098 September 30, 2013 Melbourne Rod Laver Arena 24,017 / 24,017 $2,749,982 October 1, 2013 October 3, 2013 Sydney Allphones Arena 30,361 / 30,361 $3,449,021 October 4, 2013 October 6, 2013 Auckland New Zealand Vector Arena 33,565 / 33,565 $3,377,624 October 7, 2013 October 8, 2013 Africa^[61] October 13, 2013 Johannesburg South Africa FNB Stadium GTA 67,291 / 67,291 $3,732,307 October 16, 2013 Cape Town Cape Town Stadium 39,616 / 39,616 $1,872,570 Asia^[61] October 19, 2013 Abu Dhabi United Arab Emirates du Arena GTA 23,757 / 24,470 $3,717, 513 October 22, 2013 Tel Aviv Israel Yarkon Park 50,554 / 50,554 $6,121,631

 

 

Who’s lying? You’re coping hard with the fact that Rihanna was a GLOBAL STADIUM ACT 6 years into her career while it took a certain girl from Nashville 18 years to become one.

Please point out the stadiums played in Oceania on this list. I will wait

 

Taylor played actual stadiums on 3 continents with the Red Tour. Rihanna played stadiums in Europe, 1 stadium in Africa and a park in Israel with the Diamonds World Tour

 

Not to mention:

The Red Tour - $150.2M / 86 dates

Diamonds World Tour - $140.1M / 96 dates

 

 

[Feanor]

2 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Not to mention:

The Red Tour - $150.2M / 86 dates

Diamonds World Tour - $140.1M / 96 dates

 

 

Don't forget that with The Red Tour, Taylor was 7 years into her career and on her 3rd tour with 4 studio albums, whereas Rihanna was 8 years into her career on 5th tour with 7 studio albums. Since that user was the first to relate touring power to career length and amount of albums released, this is an important tidbit to consider.

[Raspberries]

3 minutes ago, Feanor said:

Don't forget that with The Red Tour, Taylor was 7 years into her career and on her 3rd tour with 4 studio albums, whereas Rihanna was 8 years into her career on 5th tour with 7 studio albums. Since that user was the first to relate touring power to career length and amount of albums released, this is an important tidbit to consider.

The way she declined in tour gross with her next tour despite having more material  

 

Like I said before, nobody is willing to pay for anything Rihanna-related if it costs more than $1.29

[Feanor]

5 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

The way she declined in tour gross with her next tour despite having more material  

 

Like I said before, nobody is willing to pay for anything Rihanna-related if it costs more than $1.29

I personally disagree with the last statement, but this isn't really the thread to discuss Rihanna's touring power further (or for anyone else to even use it as a dig against Taylor's own touring power fully knowing how dominant Taylor is there )

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Feanor

[Cain]

Rihallah

[Shelter]

7 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

She has 7 decade old songs doing 1M daily streams. Some artists' highest song barely does 600k daily for example

I didn’t ask for streams. Is that what you think makes a classic. Cute 

I had to see the 7. Do you actually believe those are classics because  

 

[WildHeart]

42 minutes ago, Shelter said:

I didn’t ask for streams. Is that what you think makes a classic. Cute 

I had to see the 7. Do you actually believe those are classics because  

Yes, a 2008 song doing 1M daily streams or 2014 song doing 2M daily streams basically show that they are classics. 

 

Love Story - 1.574M 

The songs below - 1.521M 

On 10/24/2023 at 10:29 PM, Artistofthedecade said:

The classic in the question 

Baby Boy - 129,785

Irreplaceable - 210,447

Beautiful Liar - 230,289

Single Ladies - 256,780

If I Were A Boy - 191,948

Run The World - 144,613 

Love On Top - 208,329 

Drunk In Love - 151,576

 

But you are free to convince yourself that Taylor has "2 classics" while those songs with 150k daily streams are real classics

Edited October 25, 2023 by Artistofthedecade