base talk Is Britney a legend?

[Avenger]

On 10/17/2023 at 7:26 PM, ninetales said:

I am not really into her music apart from maybe 3 songs but she is already a legend.

 

Britney, Beyonce (certified legends)

 

Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor, Katy and Adele are also on their way to becoming "legends" too

 

Babe what are you doing then? 

Stream best remix of all times.

[MusicandSoul]

Shes a legend as her impact goes far beyond having ‘some hits’ 

 

its all very well citing other artists as this and that, but what have they impacted OTHER than music? what have the been through personally? What have they overcame? 
 

Britney is not only the blueprint for these other artists mentioned her impact and personal life catapults her into MJ status. She also impacted music like few other have and became culturally significant for basically inventing many other stars after. 
 

her name alone is legendary. And if she ever picks up the reign on her career PROPERLY and with a good team behind her. Its a wrap. 

[Mystic Boy]

5 hours ago, SinnerCity said:

Britney Spears is a legend, one of the top-selling female artists of all time. She has #1 in three different decades and top 10 hits in four different decades and last but not least, one of the most celebrated entertainers worldwide with a story of resistance and strength!

 

Oh, and by the way

 

Happy 20th ATRL anniversary babes! xx
Joined October 18, 2003

 

 

If you think these are enough to consider someone a legend then you need to dive in the real definition of what a legend is  Anybody ouside your Britney bubble will cackle at you, especially after people saw her behavior these last few months

 

Ow and thank you,didn't even know about my birthday here, thank god i got the Britney bots being so mad at me that they go check these things 

[SinnerCity]

15 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said:

If you think these are enough to consider someone a legend then you need to dive in the real definition of what a legend is  Anybody ouside your Britney bubble will cackle at you, especially after people saw her behavior these last few months

 

Ow and thank you,didn't even know about my birthday here, thank god i got the Britney bots being so mad at me that they go check these things 

My parents told me that we should look after our elders after they reach a certain age, I’m just making sure that you’re alright 

 

Also, people have been counting out Britney around the time you joined this forum, so give or take 20 years and here we are, our girl scored another top 5 hit just last year.

 

For someone that’s been so obsessed with Britney, you should know better than to count her out, unless your memory is failing you so you should probably consult a doctor if that’s the case ma’am

Edited October 20, 2023 by SinnerCity

[Mystic Boy]

19 minutes ago, SinnerCity said:

My parents told me that we should look after our elders after they reach a certain age, I’m just making sure that you’re alright 

 

Also, people have been counting out Britney around the time you joined this forum, so give or take 20 years and here we are, our girl scored another top 5 hit just last year.

 

For someone that’s been so obsessed with Britney, you should know better than to count her out, unless your memory is failing you so you should probably consult a doctor if that’s the case ma’am

Like always,the Britney delulus resort to personal attack since they cant handle the bitter truth

The fact you think your tired broken record that you consider a "drag" is causing anything to me being the best part 

 

If you cant accept that in 2023 nobody is interested in your fave unless it's for her tragic personal life or erratic behavior is up to you.

The Icon title is already more than enough seeing how she lacks substance, vocals and talent in general.

She was always seen as an industry puppet and time proved that even more

If you think Britney Spears can be put on the same level as a Madonna,Beyonce, Michael, Prince,Whitney (to stay in the Pop field) , then you're the one needing to see a doctor for discernment disorder 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Mystic Boy

[SinnerCity]

2 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said:

Like always,the Britney delulus resort to personal attack since they cant handle the bitter truth

The fact you think your tired broken record that you consider a "drag" is causing anything to me being the best part 

 

If you cant accept that in 2023 nobody is interested in your fave unless it's for her tragic personal life or erratic behavior is up to you.

The Icon title is already more than enough seeing how she lacks substance, vocals and talent in general.

She was always seen as an industry puppet and time proved that even more

Personal attack? You’re literally too old to be so obsessed about someone you don’t even know. I don’t care what you think, it doesn’t bother me one bit. What it is concerning is how you keep trying to derail conversations and pushing your own narrative in every Britney-related thread just to be proven wrong. 
 

What you should be asking yourself is why an industry poppet that lacks substance, vocals and talent in general has gotten under your skin to be point of dedicating 20 years of your life arguing with strangers online on a forum. 

[Mystic Boy]

10 minutes ago, SinnerCity said:

Personal attack? You’re literally too old to be so obsessed about someone you don’t even know. I don’t care what you think, it doesn’t bother me one bit. What it is concerning is how you keep trying to derail conversations and pushing your own narrative in every Britney-related thread just to be proven wrong. 
 

What you should be asking yourself is why an industry poppet that lacks substance, vocals and talent in general has gotten under your skin to be point of dedicating 20 years of your life arguing with strangers online on a forum. 

Trying to drag someone for their age is so low and miserable,you can do better than that dont you? 

I think you ****** truly believe that tired lie spread by your dumb friends that im really 50yo ,damn!

 

Since the Britney stans are more than obsessed about my age and bring it up every single time, i give the mods the authorization to put it on ATRL banner And i guarentee you that most of the Britney bots are older than me here

 

"Dedicating 20 years of my life" are you even reading yourself?

As if im on this forum because of miss Britney Spears

 

Im gonna keep telling my opinion whether you like it or not wtf Especially since y all Britney delusional bots keep rewriting history of Pop music non stop and you hate it when being confronted to the truth, bursting your bubble. Hundreds of members here agree on that

 

Oh,one last thing, you're never too old for a good laugh, the main reason i enter these threads,i like making y all pressed and it works every damn time

 

 

[SinnerCity]

2 hours ago, Mystic Boy said:

Trying to drag someone for their age is so low and miserable,you can do better than that dont you? 

I think you ****** truly believe that tired lie spread by your dumb friends that im really 50yo ,damn!

 

Since the Britney stans are more than obsessed about my age and bring it up every single time, i give the mods the authorization to put it on ATRL banner And i guarentee you that most of the Britney bots are older than me here

 

"Dedicating 20 years of my life" are you even reading yourself?

As if im on this forum because of miss Britney Spears

 

Im gonna keep telling my opinion whether you like it or not wtf Especially since y all Britney delusional bots keep rewriting history of Pop music non stop and you hate it when being confronted to the truth, bursting your bubble. Hundreds of members here agree on that

 

Oh,one last thing, you're never too old for a good laugh, the main reason i enter these threads,i like making y all pressed and it works every damn time

 

 

This meltdown is kinda iconic I’m not gonna lie 

 

[MessInDistress]

Is water wet?

[americanshameless]

Britney Spears will go down a pop music legend. Accept it and move on.

[americanshameless]

5 hours ago, Mystic Boy said:

Trying to drag someone for their age is so low and miserable,you can do better than that dont you? 

I think you ****** truly believe that tired lie spread by your dumb friends that im really 50yo ,damn!

 

Since the Britney stans are more than obsessed about my age and bring it up every single time, i give the mods the authorization to put it on ATRL banner And i guarentee you that most of the Britney bots are older than me here

 

"Dedicating 20 years of my life" are you even reading yourself?

As if im on this forum because of miss Britney Spears

 

Im gonna keep telling my opinion whether you like it or not wtf Especially since y all Britney delusional bots keep rewriting history of Pop music non stop and you hate it when being confronted to the truth, bursting your bubble. Hundreds of members here agree on that

 

Oh,one last thing, you're never too old for a good laugh, the main reason i enter these threads,i like making y all pressed and it works every damn time

 

 

jfc Help 

 

Just now, americanshameless said:

Britney Spears will go down a pop music legend. Accept it and move the **** on.

 

[kataraqueen]

On 10/19/2023 at 2:37 AM, JaXXXon said:

I would call Britney a legend but then when I do a part of me thinks it's a bit inauthentic. Then again, what she accomplished and how humongous big she was when she peaked which quite honestly could only be rivaled by Lady Gaga and Adele in music HISTORY (didn't experience Madonna's peak though) I feel like not calling her one is a bit... immature? 

 

Britney causes more traction still than people who are relevant in music today. 

how do y'all come up with these takes 

 

What does that even mean? Immature? Articulate exactly what you mean

[kataraqueen]

guys cut @Mystic Boy some slack, he didn't live through the aids pandemic just to see Britney being called "a legend" and not be able to have a laugh about it. I'm sure he really doesn't care about any of this!

[wehan6]

yes

[Apolonio ₃₄]

2 hours ago, kataraqueen said:

guys cut @Mystic Boy some slack, he didn't live through the aids pandemic just to see Britney being called "a legend" and not be able to have a laugh about it. I'm sure he really doesn't care about any of this!

Yo

[Blue Jeans]

Duh! Even if most of her career was not under her control, her image and pop figure is the blueprint for many. Her cultural impact is massive. Of course Madonna is the OG pop goddess, but then Britney took it to another level. 

[KarmaCat]

Britney paved the way for all these female performers. She will forever be a legend.

[slw84]

On 10/18/2023 at 3:38 PM, GreatestLoveofAll said:

for what she did in her 2000s prime she is definitely an icon. its very hard to say concretely legendary but my views on this shift from time to time tbh. when you put her up against well-recognized legends it just doesnt seem to click

i can appreciate this because most people use different generations in comparison.

 

Beyonce/Britney/JLO/Shakira/Usher are not the same legend that Janet/Madonna/Gloria Estefan/Selena/Michael Jackson are...

 

I think that the best way to describe Britney is a legendary Princess of Pop icon/iconic and legendary Princess of Pop

She's embedded in pop culture for the good and the bad but her impact and influence goes beyond music...movies, tv, books, social media etc.

 

Britney impacted her own generation (i.e. Jessica Simpson, Xtina, Mandy Moore)

She also impacted and influenced three other generations.

 

the sound and imagery she was crucified for became popular later on and it;s not just the sales, stats, hits and performances...it's all of that and breaking new ground for a multiplatinum successful teen pop female to successfully transition into a successful multiplatinum adult pop star.

Before Britney: N/A as they had to play it safe.

After Britney: Britney, Xtina, Taylor, Rihanna, Miley, Selena Gomez and others

 

 

On 10/18/2023 at 11:52 PM, Storm653 said:

Eh....Aside from BOMT and Oops being sales giants, does Britney really have a strong case over the people you named aside from nostalgia?

 

Rihanna is the best hitmaker of the 21st century based on worldwide singles sales. 

Gaga is multi-talented, had direct influence on the electropop wave, and is an acclaimed actress. 

Taylor is an acclaimed songwriter and the best selling female act of the 21st century. 

Adele dropped the best selling album of the 21st century with universal appeal and is an acclaimed vocalist. 

 

Don't get it twisted. Britney can dance and had a solid 99-04 run but I just don't see what really makes her a greater legend than the people you named aside from the time/era she blew up in. 

 

I say this as a mild Britney fan too. 

So removing BOMT and Oops album stats:

Britney was the first teen pop coming of age album and became the best selling teenage artist of all time.

Britney was the first teen female pop star to successfully transition from teen pop multiplatinum status to adult pop multiplatinum status (Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, Brandy, Monica, Leann Rimes, and others failed to do so.

Toxic remains a timeless innovative song that stood out amongst the trends of the time. Everytime is becoming a cult classic.

Blackout is an acclaimed punk pop classic pop album

She defied all of the rumors: She's a one-hit wonder, she's. one album wonder. She'll only last while teen pop is big, She'll only last as long as she is young. She'll only last as long as she sells sex and has sex appeal. She won't have hits after her comeback era. She's washed up after the residency. No one cares about her conservatorship. No one cares about her social media. No one cares about her truth.

Defied all of that and maintained success despite a tarnished/tainted image.

Rihanna, Gaga, Taylor, Carrie underwood, Miley, Selena, Ariana, Beyonce, Xtina, Jessica, Mandy, Adele, Dua, Billie, Cardi, Nicki, Doja, Meg, Ice Spice and others are influenced and/or inspired by Britney.

 

Longevity:

The 2nd female to have a #1 album and single in 3 decades (in order: Janet, Britney, Maodnna, and Beyonce)

The youngest female to sell 100M albums WW (in order: Britney, Celine, Mariah and Whitney)

The sixth female is history to have top 10s in 4 decades (in order: Barbra, Cher, Madonna, Whitney, Mariah and Britney)

 

Legacy prestige:

Receiving plethora of legacy act awards GLAAD, 1st of her generation to get the VMAs vanguard, and many others)

 

At one point her residency was the most successful show behind Celine, Elton, and Cher. I think by now Adele and others might have earned more.

 

Movies, commercials, tv shows, platforms have been created off of her influence.

 

Entertainment wise her iconic visuals are synonymous with pop culture.

 

The Britney Umbrella:

The wannabes: Britney reinvented and modernized the teen pop template and then other labels pushed their own version Xtina, Mandy, Jessica, Hoku, Willa Ford.

The antiBritney pop: Avril Lavigne, Pink, Michelle Branch, 

The users: Justin, Federline, and others

The answer to the perfectly crafted manufactured fun pop: Alicia Keys, India Arie etc. The economics of supply and demand. Alicia Keys album was supposed to be released in 1999 but teen pop dominated so Clive strategically waited for people grew tired of the teen pop and wanted something fresher and more bare and toned down.

Rihanna's career got a boost after Britney turned down Umbrella and Rihanna fought to sing it as Mary J Blige was interested in singing the song.

 

This is all under a tainted and tarnished legacy. That's undeniably legendary. as most wouldn't be able to sustain a career with this reach while navigating through all the tarnish.

 

This book expands her full circle/final lap even more as the next few years herl egendary legacy will expand under this book (umbrella) into movies [tv and main screen], music, plays, signature apparel, and possibly other ventures.

 

 

[Eternium]

On 10/20/2023 at 10:12 AM, Mystic Boy said:

Trying to drag someone for their age is so low and miserable,you can do better than that dont you? 

I think you ****** truly believe that tired lie spread by your dumb friends that im really 50yo ,damn!

 

Since the Britney stans are more than obsessed about my age and bring it up every single time, i give the mods the authorization to put it on ATRL banner And i guarentee you that most of the Britney bots are older than me here

 

"Dedicating 20 years of my life" are you even reading yourself?

As if im on this forum because of miss Britney Spears

 

Im gonna keep telling my opinion whether you like it or not wtf Especially since y all Britney delusional bots keep rewriting history of Pop music non stop and you hate it when being confronted to the truth, bursting your bubble. Hundreds of members here agree on that

 

Oh,one last thing, you're never too old for a good laugh, the main reason i enter these threads,i like making y all pressed and it works every damn time

 

You used to wish death on Britney and now you’re crying because someone pointed out you’ve been here hating on her for most of our lives? The fact that you’ve dedicated more of your life to her than most of her own stans  Only a legend could have you in shambles like this.

On 10/19/2023 at 11:07 PM, Homebrand said:

Idk why you take downvotes so personal, it's a forum babe, lighten up  

Mama, you tried to co-sign a misogynist downplaying a woman and her legacy by posting inaccurate “facts” that were easily refuted. I’m just calling you out on your misogyny and lack of effort, too. If you want to downplay women, at least Google and make sure your facts are correct. And if you want to take sides, make sure you don’t pick the losing team.

On 10/20/2023 at 3:00 AM, jijie101 said:

TF, TFM, BTW and ASIB are all multi platinum, what are you even talking about Gaga is above her in literally everything but pure album sales, stay pressed

It’s okay to prefer Lady Gaga, but why can’t Little Monsters ever stop lying? Gaga has outdone Britney in streams and digital single sales because she debuted in that era. Britney has outdone Gaga in album sales, music video/DVD sales and physical single sales because she debuted in that era. Overall, Britney has moved significantly more album equivalents.

 

TF - 4.98M pure [7/11/23]
TFM - 1.65M pure [7/11/23]

62M+ song units across both [7/11/23]

TF+M - 12.83M SPS units [7/11/23]

 

BTW - 4x Platinum [3/27/20]

 

C2C - Gold [2/6/15]

 

ARTPOP - 1.5M SPS [5/28/20]

 

Joanne - 1.5M SPS [12/28/22]

 

A Star Is Born - 2.5M SPS [11/18/20]

 

Chromatica - 1.3M SPS [6/2/23]

 

L4S - 41k [10/10/21]

 

Feel free to update with more recent NSS numbers if you have them, but isn’t Gaga STILL under 30M album equivalents in the U.S.? Why are you shitting on Britney (who’s almost to 50M) and then praising someone who isn’t past her first three albums? Would it kill you to give Britney credit, especially when it comes to objective facts?  

[poki]

Yes. 

[slw84]

On 10/19/2023 at 9:03 PM, Eternium said:

The team behind Britney were idiots and some of the least competent in the game - she came from an indie label with very weak success in the pop field. They almost ruined her career with the first single, “Baby One More Time,” when they tried to force her to make the video an animated, Transformers-themed video. Britney’s idea single-handedly launched her to global stardom, made Max Martin the #1 songwriter/producer of our generation and created the image that made K-pop a viable field. Her label was terrible in every way - they fought her to keep “Toxic” from being a single, they forced her to work with a pedophile/rapist (R. Kelly) and tried to force “Outrageous” as a single, her first four albums had less editions combined than one album from most of her peers, they did nothing to push her on radio (she’s never had a #1 on radio despite massive success in every other field), etc.

 

Did you really think that Britney Spears, of all people, had a good team?  

- Rihanna was heavily inspired by Britney Spears - Rated R and Umbrella are prime examples 

- Gaga is a known Britney stan. She’s heavily influenced by Britney, she’s dressed up as Britney in many videos and she’s thanked Britney for helping get her her start when Britney agreed to record the Gaga-penned “Quicksand.”

- Taylor Swift is also a fellow Britney stan and attended the Britney Spears Performing Arts Camp as a kid. She’s borrowed Britney’s looks (Bad Blood), she’s borrowed Britney’s sounds (Reputation, 1989, IKYWT) and she followed Britney’s blueprint heavily (Max Martin, Joseph Kahn). 
- Adele is also a known Britney stan who skipped her own concert to go to Britney’s “Circus” tour. I blame Britney’s impact for why we have “Send My Love” and I apologize on Britney’s behalf.

 

Did you really think you’d be dragging Britney by naming four of the girls whose careers relied heavily on Britney’s impact?  

Britney's team pushed for a knockoff Natalie Imbruglia song to debut her career until Baby was recorded.

Nigel Dick and her label came up with the wack azz Disney/Nickelodeon capping target audience animated concept.

She pushed back and they reduced her 1M budget 70% down. to 300k. Her clothing budget was $25 a head which. iswhy they went to walmart.

 

Her vision and song delivery changed the game.

It was the perfect personification of influence (not sampling/not copy/paste).

BOMT the video captures her influences to a tee Michael Jackson (Unique quality standout while fitting right in. One. ofa kind.), Janet Jackson ( Explosive dance moves, presence and performance), and Madonna (Controversy).

 

BOMT hit #1 in 30+ countries and there's not even 30 songs that achieve this. She is the only solo female to do it with her debut. Two other acts did this Spice girls (lacked longevity), Lil nas X (longevity remains to be seen)

 

BOMT launched her to STILL be the youngest female artist to have a #1 album and #1 single at 17 years and 1 month. Stevie Wonder is the youngest male and youngest act period achieving the same feat at 13. 25 years later and still holds.

 

Britney ties Whitney as having the highest certified debut female album of all time (both 14x platinum). Whitney's team just updated her stat after 20 years and since they also use her SPS units for her GH album updates Whitney won't go any higher meanwhile BOMT is already eligible for 15x platinum (especially if they keep her GHMP album at 2x platinum eligible and not 3x platinum eligible). BOMT album is the album Britney achieved diamond status at 17./18 youngest. She was the quickest until Adele's 25 album.

 

Oops held first week sales record for 15 years but also the youngest female act to have double diamond status (Whitney, madonna, Celine, Mariah, Shania, Britney, Adele, The Chicks, and soon Taylor)

 

Max Martin went from a casual top 10 hit maker in pop to a global #1 hit maker.

1st #1 was BOMT last was the Weeknd Blinding lights.

24 or 25 #1s 3rd only to two Beatles songwriters/producers.

Britney opened the door for future #1 hitsL

Britney (first)

Nsync

Katy

Pink

Kelly Clarkson

Maroon 5

Taylor

her ex boyfriend who copies MJ, George Michael and Prince

Ariana

Snoop

Kanye West

Juicy J

Coldplay/BTS

The weekend

 

as well as hits with Backstreet boys (I want it that way), Celine (that's the way it is), Bon Jovi, Adam Lambert, Usher, Kesha, Avril, Jessie J, Pitbull, Nicki, Bieber, Selena Gomez, Ellie Goulding, Adele, Ed Sheeran, Gaga

 

So yeah

 

[Saint James]

britney wasn't given the necessary support to be a legend, she was held back

[Scott Borchetta]

On 10/20/2023 at 4:34 AM, Janet said:

I thjnk Britney is more "legendary" than adele. Would not class adele as a "legend" at all tbh. 

adele is a bigger legend to the GP than britney and gaga combined

[Alex Rover]

On 10/20/2023 at 2:54 AM, brazil said:

Im just now reading this comment. The funny part about this is that Britney's last multi-platinum album was released over 5 years after the beggining of her career. Meanwhile Gaga's was released 3 years after her debut. 

 

Britney has 4 multi-platinum albums (including two Diamond) Gaga has 2 (barely). If you wanna talk about lack of longevity, we could, but im not sure the conversarion is going the way you want 

ASIB is 2x platinum and that was 10 years into Gaga’s career… Black-out, Circus, Femme Fatale are NOT multi-platinum. 

 

https://postimg.cc/ZWwdZs90

 

As you can check by yourself: 

 

Billboard

 

3 million, In the Zone / 1.7 million, Circus

1.6 million, Greatest Hits: My Prerogative / 1 million, Blackout / 805,000, Femme Fatale / 280,000, Britney Jean / 268,000, The Singles Collection

 

The fact that Britney’s last multi-platinum was released two ******* decades ago, in the physical era. 

 

Her peers as Beyoncé were thriving getting multi-platinum albumS in the 2010s and they’ll still get it in the 2020s. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Alex Rover]

On 10/20/2023 at 3:11 AM, Eternium said:

Yikes. Just seeing this and glad @brazil drew my attention to this.

 

iTunes was released in 2001 and started counting for the charts in 2004. Streaming began in 2001 and started counting for U.S. charts on July 31st, 2007.

 

Can you or one of the “geniuses” that liked your post, namely @Mystic Boy @satellites.™ @Homebrand @Winged @Power love @NewStanner, explain to me how 2x Platinum Femme Fatale, an album released in March 2011, was released before the digital era began in 2001?  

 

Hating Britney does really do something to you girls and your inability to comprehend basic facts. 

The digital era started started in October 2004 that’s when it started to count in the charts. 
 

And Britney’s last multi-platinum was released prior to the digital age.

 

Blackout, Circus, Femme Fatale are NOT multi-platinum, no matter how hard you’re trying to convince us. 
 

Billboard

 

3 million, In the Zone / 1.7 million, Circus

1.6 million, Greatest Hits: My Prerogative / 1 million, Blackout / 805,000, Femme Fatale / 280,000, Britney Jean / 268,000, The Singles Collection

Edited October 21, 2023 by Alex Rover