base talk Is Britney a legend?

[blueberries]

no, she hasn't impacted anyone musically

[unino]

is that even a question? 

[teresaguidice]

Y2K pop culture legend and tabloid legend but certainly not a musical legend

[Rebel Lion]

The title legend should be given to those who have done legendary things so if you think Britney has done legendary things then she is a legend.

[Trent W]

6 minutes ago, Power love said:

This is such a lie. Especially the second half 

Blackout, Circus and FF were are all successful albums with hits on each one of them

 

What are you talking about?

Edited October 15, 2023 by Trent W

[Winged]

 

 

[Ivan_brit]

Yes! 
 

she has not release music in years or do any promo & somehow she remains relevant, her iconic videos and looks remain a staple in music 

[FSXP]

Britney has a lot of what you would want a legend to have. Iconic looks, iconic songs, iconic videos, iconic performances, and influence on future artists. BUT, I think she’s never quite given “legend” because she doesn’t have the moment where she went from POPSTAR to ARTIST in the eyes of the public. Madonna? Like a Prayer. Janet? Janet. Whitney? The Bodyguard. Mariah? Butterfly. Beyoncé? Self-Titled.

 

I think she was on that way with In the Zone. It was clear she had creative control during that period of her music. Toxic’s success and acclaimed was pushing her to be seen as that. Then, the unfortunate things in her life happened and it altered that path. So now it varies from person to person and really how much they value pop music.

 

Edited October 15, 2023 by FSXP

[Maroonx]

Whether you love or you hate her, she left a mark in the industry is still known today. 

This is coming from someone who doesn't even listen to her music. I love seeing little Gen Zs who stan the likes of Olivia Rodrigo coming around to say she's not... Sorry your dipper filled fav is not up or will ever reach Brit's level of success x

[Power love]

25 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Blackout, Circus and FF were are all successful

None of these were released 15 years in & you literally said she never flopped until BJ which is a (lie sir). Some can even argue that FF was a underperformance or moderate especially compared to her peers & past eras

[Starshine]

Her run from 1998 to 2004 was legendary. Going from a once in a generation teen phenomenon in the ranks of BSB/N’sync to a sex icon comparable to Madonna is basically her artistic legacy. No MPG comes close to being the “sex icon” she was, Britney just effortlessly had that appeal and was kind of set up for it with BOMT, her teletubby Rolling Stone cover (even though some were her ideas, and her image further molded by execs). She received a lot of criticism out of misogyny and was the butt of many jokes for her sexual expression, femininity. Was also responsible for the oversexualization of pop music in the 2000s. The hate train only fueled her fame.

 

At a point her fame outpaced her musical career after ITZ. I think her fall from grace was similar to MJ’s and her celebrity might just be larger than her music career itself unfortunately. It was inevitable with the hyper fixation since the dawn of her career, it could break anyone.

 

She’s legendary for good and bad reasons.

Edited October 15, 2023 by Starshine

[slw84]

4 hours ago, MingYouToo said:

Her and Gaga belong in that weird echelon of despite not having lasted that long and as bright, shone so far beyond everyone else for a short period of time that they deserve to be legends. So yeah I think they're legends

 

That being said, to your average pop music fan like me, yeah absolutely Brit (and Gaga) are legends, but to your average street person, the only people from that time they'll genuinely think of as legends is probably Eminem and Beyonce, which is sad.

See in the process of vouching for Britney you're indirectly undermining Beyonce lmfao, if anyone has more legend credibility from that time its Bey. They're literally peers, just bc DC popped off 2000 doesnt mean she isn't the same peer group as Britney.

 

Taylor's commonality is just with Max Martin, that's literally it.

 

The archetype of Britney is a Janet derivative, albeit highly more sexual and pop. Madonna is the blueprint Taylor and Beyonce follow. 

 

OT: Yes, Britney is a legend!

I don't have an issue with Beyonce stans clocking any Britney stans that are shady to Beyonce for no reason during this topic....

I have an issue with Beyonce stans RESPONDING to accounts that are clearly not Britney stans but because they have a Britney avi posters let out their angst to go against Britney.

You know that poster isn't even a stan they just want to start mess.

 

I disagree that they'll only think of Eminem and Beyonce. I think ,they'll think of Eminem, Britney, Beyonce, JLO and Justin (who I don't do but they'll add him there).

Sadly, they won't think of Pink and possibly Shakira

 

not having lasted that long????

The 2nd female artist to score #1 songs and albums in 3 decades (only 4 females have this accolade: in order Janet, Britney, Madonna and recently Beyonce)

The best selling female artist of an entire decade (2000s)

The 6th female to score top 10s in 4 decades (Cher, Barbra, Madonna, Whitney, Mariah, and Britney)

Scoring a top 10 and #1. ina few countries 25 years after her debut single.

A whole comeback 10 years after her debut

15 years of smash hits

The ability to create a residency based on her catalog +1-2 new songs and rank #4 behind Celine, Elton, and Cher for highest grossing residencies.

Even broke a gross # for an international tour making almost $7M

 

3 hours ago, Planet Mars said:

Yes, she carried pop for a a couple years there.

Why does people pretend that the status above don't evist. She had an entire comeback in her 10th year, too and then had even more hits post-comeback which very few sustain.

[Alex Rover]

35 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Blackout, Circus and FF were are all successful albums with hits on each one of them

 

What are you talking about?

Blackout flopped and so did Femme Fatale. 
 

They’re both close to records labeled as flops as ARTPOP in terms of CSPC: 

 

- ARTPOP - 4,860,000 

- Blackout - 5,582,000

- Femme Fatale - 4,976,000

 

ASIB, that’s on the other hand a successful album: 

 

ASIB -  9,991,000

 

 

 

[Trent W]

15 minutes ago, Power love said:

None of these were released 15 years in & you literally said she never flopped until BJ which is a (lie sir). Some can even argue that FF was a underperformance or moderate especially compared to her peers & past eras

S&S was 15 years in, one of her biggest hits

 

BJ was the first time she really flopped

 

Blackout still had Gimme More which was huge at the time.

 

 

[Trent W]

2 minutes ago, Alex Rover said:

Blackout flopped and so did Femme Fatale. 
 

They’re both close to records labeled as flops as ARTPOP in terms of CSPC: 

 

- ARTPOP - 4,860,000 

- Blackout - 5,582,000

- Femme Fatale - 4,976,000

 

ASIB, that’s on the other hand a successful album: 

 

ASIB -  9,991,000

 

 

 

ASIB is a soundtrack, not a comeback album

 

Its success was because of a movie and not because of the artist

[Alex Rover]

1 minute ago, Trent W said:

ASIB is a soundtrack, not a comeback album

 

Its success was because of a movie and not because of the artist

Thanks to whom is not the point. 

 

Blackout and Femme Fatale landed low numbers compared to Britney’s peers and the other MPGs at that time: Beyoncé, Shakira, Avril Lavigne, Alicia Keys, Nelly Furtado, Adele, Rihanna, Katy Perry, etc.. 

[Trent W]

1 minute ago, Alex Rover said:

Thanks to whom is not the point. 

 

Blackout and Femme Fatale landed low numbers compared to Britney’s peers and the other MPGs at that time: Beyoncé, Shakira, Avril Lavigne, Alicia Keys, Nelly Furtado, Adele, Rihanna, Katy Perry, etc.. 

 

They were underperfomances(album sales) for her previous standards, but there were hits in those eras and she was still big in mainstream.

 

[Power love]

14 minutes ago, Trent W said:

S&S was 15 years in, one of her biggest hits

Interesting how you didn’t originally mention this in your first statement. Britney, stans for years have discredited other artists with their features smashes so this double standard is embarrassing. 

 

14 minutes ago, Trent W said:

BJ was the first time she really flopped

If we are talking about albums she flopped for her & her peers standards. She had massive declines & a long list of flops singles. She was not on pace with her peers. You’re acting like she was breaking records or never bomb is misleading & a straight lie.
 

Hell, even some of her #1 singles flew up then flew just as fast off Billboard or needed remixes etc. 

 

She was not unstoppable or even up to pair with her peers. She had many flops to her name (before) 2013.

Edited October 15, 2023 by Power love

[suburbannature]

1 hour ago, Trent W said:

Yes she is an absolute legend, this is not ip for debate.

 

About this thread:

 

She did not influence Beyonce tho, they came around the same time both influenced by Janet/Maddona

 

Taylor was influenced by Britney but very minimally, Bad Blood video was toxic 3.0 and the use of Max Martin, but that would be it imo

 

And Gaga and Britney are not in the same level, of Gaga was forced to retire like Britney was she wouldn’t be as relevant.

 

Britney’s impact was unmatched. She was pop culture in the 00s. Everything was orbiting around her media wise.

 

And for the ones saying she did not have longevity she did last 15 years getting hits and big albums. Right until BJ album she never flopped.

Beyonce said she started singing because of Mariah. 

[Alex Rover]

6 minutes ago, Trent W said:

S&S was 15 years in, one of her biggest hits

 

BJ was the first time she really flopped

 

Blackout still had Gimme More which was huge at the time.

 

 

The ignorance/revisionism. Gimme More was not huge at all back then.  If anything GM gained relevance over time due to Tik Tok. 
 

It sold a mere 1,8m downloads in the US which is clearly weak for 2007 standards. This explains why it didn’t even make the YEC.

 

Ans it’s really paradoxical to brag about Scream & Shout’s success when Britney’s only a feat. in the song that she didn’t even co-write. 

Gaga is a lead artist in Shallow and most of the songs in the OST. Plus she has the LEAD role in the movie which showcases the success of the project is alignated with her.

[Trent W]

2 minutes ago, Power love said:

 

 

If we are talking about albums kind of but she had massive declines & a long list of flops singles. You’re acting like she was breaking records or never bomb is misleading & a straight lie.
 

Hell, even some of her #1 singles flew up then flew just as fast off Billboard or needed remixes etc. 

 

She was not unstoppable or even up to pair with her peers. She had many flops to her name (before) 2013.

Everyone has some flop singles even in their prime, example Marry The Night was a bomb and BTW era was still a success that happens all the time

 

Britney was still breaking records example: even in the FF era, HIAM debuted with 400k sales first week, it was the biggest debut all time that week, until Gaga(at he prime) broke it a month and a half after.

 

The thing is she was still kind of big that deep into her career.

[Trent W]

6 minutes ago, Alex Rover said:

The ignorance/revisionism. Gimme More was not huge at all back then.  If anything GM gained relevance over time due to Tik Tok. 
 

It sold a mere 1,8m downloads in the US which is clearly weak for 2007 standards. This explains why it didn’t even make the YEC.

 

Ans it’s really paradoxical to brag about Scream & Shout’s success when Britney’s only a feat. in the song that she didn’t even co-write. 

Gaga is a lead artist in Shallow and most of the songs in the OST. Plus she has the LEAD role in the movie which showcases the success of the project is alignated with her.

The main problem is that Gaga’s base credits ASIB as a comeback album when it wasn’t 

 

ASIB soundtrack was a success because the movie was was a remake.

 

NGL gaga made a great job, but to credit the entire franchise as her comeback is insane

 

Is almost like crediting Beyonce for Lion King’s success

Edited October 15, 2023 by Trent W

[Mystic Boy]

18 minutes ago, Trent W said:

ASIB is a soundtrack, not a comeback album

 

Its success was because of a movie and not because of the artist

Dumbest post on this already embarrassing thread

 

5 minutes ago, Alex Rover said:

The ignorance/revisionism. Gimme More was not huge at all back then.  If anything GM gained relevance over time due to Tik Tok. 
 

It sold a mere 1,8m downloads in the US which is clearly weak for 2007 standards. This explains why it didn’t even make the YEC.

 

Ans it’s really paradoxical to brag about Scream & Shout’s success when Britney’s only a feat. in the song that she didn’t even co-write. 

Gaga is a lead artist in Shallow and most of the songs in the OST. Plus she has the LEAD role in the movie which showcases the success of the project is alignated with her.

Right? S&S is a Britney song even though she's a feature....But ASIB a whole project that Gaga wrote and was a lead actress with a huge acclaim wont be taken into consideration 

Always count on the Britney land for delusional takes

[kataraqueen]

2 hours ago, Marry The Gods said:

The person who made this collage didn't do their homework. The Beyonce pics are older than the Britney ones  

The older one is on the left every time 💀

2 hours ago, Starshine said:

The funny thing is a lot of those outfits, Beyoncé wore first like the Sweet Dreams Mugler outfit.

 

Also the Smurfs red carpet. 

Girlies my original point was always that they influenced each other its not my problem you guys struggle to think in anything but black and white

[Avenger]

Scream And shout is Will I Am biggest solo hit lmao, can you say the same for Maroon 5 moves likeJagger? I can’t believe some people here are talking about Britney commercial success with an xtina DP the jokes do write themselves 

 

 

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