base talk Is Beyoncé vs Taylor the most boring stan war of all time?

[Bosque]

Yes because they barely have anything to do with each other  so there's nothing to even fight about. 

 

It's just that there are always random stanfights between any women who are roughly on the same level of success. Even if they have absolutely nothing to do each other. But since Taylor and Beyonce are the two most successful female artists at the moment, there must be stanfights

 

[My Tears Ricochet]

Not really

BeyHive lashings are always welcome 

[Dreajae]

Surprise, surprise. Taylor stans crowding in trying to make their fave a victim of Beyhive "bullying" when this entire board has had their opinion on Taylor and stated that numbers don't mean you can automatically influence someone's opinion or downplay an artists shitty actions.

 

Throughout the years they bullied alot of white female peers such as Katy, Gaga and Adele. Taylor's less famous peers with a similar aestheitc such as Lorde and Lana have also been mentioned. Now her stans are trying to talk around what she did to Olivia. Now they've been noted to take black female artists such as Rihanna, SZA and Bey.

[Jon Snow]

It’s impossible to have an objective discussion. People come in, start fights and blame the other side. Every time. I am also guilty of entering pointless arguments, because I have a really soft spot for Beyoncé. I have said it elsewhere, but today is her birthday and people still wanna compare her to others and attack her. Please, have a minimum of dignity to at least skip attacking others at least for their birthdays. 
 

People say it’s one sided, but it’s impossible to be. There are countless threads of people trying to downplay both of them, and every Beyoncé thread has Taylor brought up in the first replies. So, it’s not only the Hive. 
 

27 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I wouldn’t be so quick to blame the stans. The media has played a big part in this. The culture likes to compare women, and put them against each other. Patriarchy can’t stand women being successful, so they make them go against each other. It may be simplified when I say it like this, but I feel it’s true.
There’s a race element to this, too. The culture can’t accept Beyoncé, who is “unapologetically black” (watch SNL’s The Day Beyoncé Turned Black) to be successful, so they have to put her against Taylor, who is white and originally a country artist. Beyoncé stans, of course, would be very frustrated that Beyoncé’s huge talent and the highest amount of work out of all the musicians in the industry is not paying of as it is for white artists. The stans are just caught up in this and represent the reflection of the broader culture, especially in USA. 

I’m always proud of myself when I say something like this, and then people just ignore it. That makes me sad, because posts with insults are never ignored. I don’t believe they ignore it because they don’t agree, they’d rather attack and blame the other side than sit down and think about what and why they are doing. 

[KiiKii_Muppisha]

Just read the replies here

 

But it’s Beyoncé stans.

[Blue Rose]

1 hour ago, FolkLover1989 said:

There was no bad blood , the tour started it all

 

Eras Tour is factually the biggest event of this decade and dare I say this century , so Hives started dragging it for being basic and white then offcourse Swifties started pulling the receipts as well and it has been same since then

 

And it won't end till 2025 atp 

The feud didn’t really start until May when RWT started. The Beyhive gave y’all 2 months of peace and let you enjoy your tour. But you guys got very insecure as soon as Bey hit the stage to rave reviews. Also you guys don’t have any receipts given that none of the boxscores got released. As of today RWT remains the biggest female tour of all time and Coldplay’s tour remains the biggest event of the decade with already 9M tickets sold

[BGKC]

It’s the way they’re trying to convince you that’s it one sided while proving that it’s not in the same microagressive breath  They are never escaping those victimhood allegations. 

[PoisonedIvy]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It’s impossible to have an objective discussion. People come in, start fights and blame the other side. Every time. I am also guilty of entering pointless arguments, because I have a really soft spot for Beyoncé. I have said it elsewhere, but today is her birthday and people still wanna compare her to others and attack her. Please, have a minimum of dignity to at least skip attacking others at least for their birthdays. 
 

People say it’s one sided, but it’s impossible to be. There are countless threads of people trying to downplay both of them, and every Beyoncé thread has Taylor brought up in the first replies. So, it’s not only the Hive. 
 

I’m always proud of myself when I say something like this, and then people just ignore it. That makes me sad, because posts with insults are never ignored. I don’t believe they ignore it because they don’t agree, they’d rather attack and blame the other side than sit down and think about what and why they are doing. 

Keep trying to analyze things critically, with nuance, and without bias. I promise it doesn’t go unnoticed. Your first take in this thread was outstanding, insightful, and most of all, accurate. As is this post. We can only keep trying to inspire civil discussions amidst the immaturity of the few loud and annoying stans that give both fanbases a bad reputation. But overall most of us respect both women and a good chunk even enjoy the music from both, like myself. We’re just not as crazy or loud as the annoying ones so we go unseen, like you said, and all the negativity unfortunately sticks in peoples minds  

[Devin]

4 minutes ago, KiiKii_Muppisha said:

Just read the replies here

 

But it’s Beyoncé stans.

You know its bad when the new users clocked IT

[LiamVillain]

I mean Beyhives just need to accept Taylor tour is bigger plus Taylor is more popular in 2023 and the stan war will be over 

wbk Beyoncé is better at dancing/singing tho

[Blue Rose]

16 minutes ago, Devin said:

Not certain Swifties in this thread talking about “Hive is insecure…”

 

If I can recall Swifties make 10+ threads a day about what Taylor is doing; then the min they see a Bey, Rih, Gaga, or Britney avi express a different opinion they bring their names up - therefore gives the other fanbases to speak up/defend. 

They literally make flamebait threads about Bey every day. I know the mods hate them all  

but here they are playing the victim (their favorite thing)

[JonginBey]

I guess the relatability the Swifties constantly scream about is the victim complex.

 

[By the Water]

Yeah, Beyoncé is on the second highest grossing female tour of all-time but for some reason her fans decided that they wanted to downplay the success of the one tour that's above it (by miles, it must be said)

[Dreajae]

26 minutes ago, mypaintoyou said:

It’s so boring going back and forth. 

 

their comeback is that Taylor can’t sing or dance but yet is in more demand than beycone why? Tho? They always use the race card 

not our fault that we come through for the people we love 

I’ve spend thousands of dollars for Taylor swift concert tickets why because I love her that much and I’m going to Europe next year just to see her. I go above and beyond those Beyoncé fans should do the same if they love her that much like they claim 

 

Because Taylor's Americana whiteness appeals more. It has less to do with Taylor being so otherworldly talented and in demand. And that truth seems to bother many.

 

Alot of her moves and antics are celebrated cause she appeals to a white demographic with alot of socio economic capital and dollars.  My honest opinion is that there are racially charged issues about Beyonce being black with her own demographic that holds their own with a succesful stadium tour and whatever else she puts out. And it's been 25 years.

 

 

[hungrymuffin]

18 minutes ago, KKW said:

I expect nothing less from a world full of mediocre people who need someone to relate to 

this condescending comment is disgusting, who do you think you are? someones taste in music doesnt determine their quality

 

OT: yes, and its from the unhinged people who i just quoted one here

[TaggedGalaxy]

The Hive is insecure and bored without visuals so they start an unnecessary stan war

[SwiftLover]

2 minutes ago, By the Water said:

Yeah, Beyoncé is on the second highest grossing female tour of all-time but for some reason her fans decided that they wanted to downplay the success of the one tour that's above it (by miles, it must be said)

Oh period sista 

[James_Dean]

So many "unbothered" Swifties, yet their comments say otherwise 

[Devin]

1 minute ago, Blue Rose said:

They literally make flamebait threads about Bey every day. I know the mods hate them all  

but here they are playing the victim (their favorite thing)

The way this “stanwar” increased when RWT started & we can easily pull multiple posts by #that fanbase talking about her singing, lack of dancing, she has no hits, she can’t sell, ppl sleeping at her shows, etc. 

 

Even when a record is broken, they swarm the threads diminishing her accomplishments. 

[Beyonceist]

Not Swifties trying to sneak "Beyoncé AND TAYLOR are BOTH TALENTED"

[JonginBey]

5 minutes ago, hungrymuffin said:

this condescending comment is disgusting, who do you think you are? someones taste in music doesnt determine their quality

 

OT: yes, and its from the unhinged people who i just quoted one here

Cry.

[KKW]

4 minutes ago, hungrymuffin said:

this condescending comment is disgusting, who do you think you are? someones taste in music doesnt determine their quality

 

OT: yes, and its from the unhinged people who i just quoted one here

ATRL User KKW 

[KiiKii_Muppisha]

12 minutes ago, LiamVillain said:

I mean Beyhives just need to accept Taylor tour is bigger plus Taylor is more popular in 2023 and the stan war will be over 

wbk Beyoncé is better at dancing/singing tho

And performing.

 

So that’s singing, dancing, and performing

 

But go off Ms. Swift… the song writing skills is certainly next level 

[mercurialworld]

Aren't y'all bored? 

[Axelios]

8 minutes ago, Dreajae said:

Because Taylor's Americana whiteness appeals more. It has less to do with Taylor being so otherworldly talented and in demand. And that truth seems to bother many.

And yet none of Taylor white peers experienced the same success as her. While there are black artists from this century with a bigger global solo career than Beyonce (Rihanna, Bruno Mars, Drake).

Edited September 4, 2023 by Axelios