Popular Post EmailMySwift Posted September 1, 2023 Popular Post Posted September 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, KKW said: I’m lost @ the jealousy takes because literally no one on this forum is a pop star so what is there to be jealous of I know her stans live through her achievements so it’s easy to come to the conclusion of envy but not all of us live through our faves… 9 minutes ago, airplane said: Her fans really think we’re jealous of her streaming farms living through your fave’s streaming numbers or net worth is peak insanity 6 minutes ago, AxelFox said: Exactly like Probably a hard concept to grasp for the 'has more spotify streams so she's a better performer' crowd but not everyone gets off to the amount of money a celebrity makes that we get no cents from anyway The only thing I would be jealous of is the amount of content she delivers to her fans. I am green of envy in regards to that I admit, but that's not something to make me dislike her, on the contrary it's something I admire and wish on every fanbase to receive. You're telling me a site where users' identities are hidden behind avatars of popstars is not guilty of living through those popstars' achievements, and it's only the Swifties who are? 10 5
airplane Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, EmailMySwift said: You're telling me a site where users' identities are hidden behind avatars of popstars is not guilty of living through those popstars' achievements, and it's only the Swifties who are? Yup, that’s right. Edited September 1, 2023 by airplane 12 2
Rebel Lion Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 It's not her necessarily. It's her fans that annoy me. It's giving trump supporters vibes and it's not cute. 1 2 2
MAXIMO Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 What exactly do her fans want? That everyone will gather around and blindly praise Taylor for whatever she does, sometimes it's scary the cult-like behavior her fans have. Personally, I like some of her songs, but overall I don't care that much for her as an artist, but the constant spamming about her is really annoying. 10 1
KKW Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Just now, EmailMySwift said: You're telling me a site where users' identities are hidden behind avatars of popstars is not guilty of living through those popstars' achievements, and it's only the Swifties who are? Everyone has been guilty of it but as you get older you grow out of it lol. I MAINLY see Swifties constantly reminding us that she’s the biggest thing on Earth as if 1. We don’t see the numbers ourselves 2. It’s a badge of honor to wear Good for her for all she’s achieved but EYE as a regular civilian have no reason to be jealous of someone whose tax bracket I will never come close to like 1
EmailMySwift Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Just now, Rebel Lion said: It's not her necessarily. It's her fans that annoy me. It's giving trump supporters vibes and it's not cute. "Its not her, it's her stans" is something everyone always says in stanwars on Twitter, about every popstar. 2
perfect blue Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Lack of Star Power: the fact that a woman who cannot sing, cannot dance, has zero stage presence, and picks her wedgie on stage is breaking all-time touring records is indicative of the state of pop culture: utter shambles Undeserved Accolades: it's incredibly bizarre and suspicious how acclaimed Taylor Swift is for her songwriting when she consistently writes corny, insipid, immature songs. Horrible Personality: The self-described covert narcissist has an extensive history of victimizing herself in the media and has been exposed for orchestrating false scenarios to achieve this, often to the detriment of people of color. Despite the perpetual victim complex, Taylor Swift is extremely malevolent and vindictive. The curmudgeon has been known to dogwhistle her fans into harassing her exes, pop rivals, and even young novices such as teenager Olivia Rodrigo. 10 7 6 11
Axolotl Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, airplane said: Yup, that’s right Let's get rid of the whole Charts forum I guess, and no more posting achievements for ALL artists 2
Miley Cyrus Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Omg the songwriting narrative surrounding her is extremely forced and exaggerated. Her fans took that narrative and ran 1 million miles with it lol. Like it’s so exhausting to see. Shake It Off Me! Ready For It Need to calm down Like this is y’all’s songwriting fave..? 14 1 8
Jjang Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Pop Art said: It depends on the person. There definitely is a lot of jealousy in the chart centric sector of the stan world, but to boil it all down to that isn't fair. I also think the behavior of her stans has a negative effect on non-Swifties in the stan world and sours (no pun intended ) their view on Taylor, but that would be the case of pretty much any artist and their stans in Taylor's position so that's not something exclusive to her/them. A broader reason many (including myself) have for not really vibing with her for the most part is her success far outmatches what we feel to be the quality of her craft. This is the exact same reason I mostly don't vibe with Ed Sheeran, Marvel, Adele in 2011-2012 and many, many other things the GP eats (or used to eat) in droves yet I can barely stomach or just don't seem to "get". It's unspeakably annoying to have someone or something constantly shoved down your throat as if it's the best thing to ever happen when to you, it's mostly just...meh, or at best just good. This is a totally subjective take of course but that makes it the most reasonable and fair one I feel. I and many others (though clearly we're still in the minority, and that's okay) just don't think her singing, performing, and writing ability (yes, you read that last part right), musical and visual output, and overall brand deserve the outrageous level of success and/or acclaim that they get. Does it keep me up at night? No, but it's definitely grating when you seemingly can't escape it and that sometimes has to be let out. Again, this idea goes beyond Taylor (well, for me at least), she's just the specific topic we're discussing here. At the end of the day, I still like a surprising amount of songs from her and definitely like 1989 and reputation pretty much as whole albums, I just don't think her success matches her output for the most part. I still wish her the best, if not just a little less success. Queue the dislikes, quoting me with my avi attempting to do something, and general outrage! you ate this one up sis! I mean, don’t get me wrong, there are some pressed people who definitely made it their mission in life to trash her. But the rest of us just think she’s overrated and that shouldn’t be a blasphemous opinion. That’s not the same as saying her fans must not enjoy her music because we find it overrated, we understand that she struck a passionate chord with many people and they have every right to enjoy her and her music. Heck, I even find some of the music I listen to to be overrated objectively speaking. it’s genuinely not as personal as a lot of her fans think it is. 4 1 1
Embustera Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Let’s be honest there is nothing special about Miss Swift. She is a cute girl with nice songs. Most people are average that’s why she has so many fans. They can relate to her. Her fans on twitter are the worst tho. 7 7
Material Girl Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 for me i find her annoying bc i don’t enjoy her music but her marketing feels shoved down my throat everywhere and her fans can be insufferable with their delusion and casual racism it’s like i’m forced to see taylor content even when i’ve muted her on twitter and spotify and it drives me crazy 8 1
Kimi Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 She's the definition of middle ground, and many hate that
airplane Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Axolotl said: Let's get rid of the whole Charts forum I guess, and no more posting achievements for ALL artists The problem with your fanbase is that they use those achievements to counter any criticism against your fave. Someone posted a tiktok lashing Taylor the other day for being a fake feminist and yall kept deflecting and saying: “She’s still gaining 100M daily streams”, “She’s still gonna make billions on her tour” Is that all she has to offer or is that the only thing you guys stan her for? Edited September 1, 2023 by airplane 1
Aethereal Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Miley Cyrus said: Omg the songwriting narrative surrounding her is extremely forced and exaggerated. Her fans took that narrative and ran 1 million miles with it lol. Like it’s so exhausting to see. Shake It Off Me! Ready For It Need to calm down Like this is y’all’s songwriting fave..? You can tell she legitimately write those all or mostly by herself with no significant help from others.
Proseductice Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) See, I don't dislike Taylor Swift. I've heard her music, but I'm not into most of it. There is maybe 1-3 songs of her that I don't mind. She seems fine. What becomes bothersome is that because she is such a popular artist, it can be uncomfortable when she is brought up. Many of her fans assume everyone is fans since there are so many in general. Then, in some cases when someone isn't one and says such, gets the "WHY NOT, have you tried __xyz__? You haven't heard the right song yet!" And judging someone's taste for being honest about not being a listener. There's the extreme cases as well where some will go to the misogynist take too. That can become frustrating to hear, because not everyone is going to have the same taste in music. This isn't solely a Taylor Swift thing, it happens with any of the artists that have ever been as big as her, which is why I won't say that it's a personal dislike for her. Because of that, I can understand the crossover where individuals might begin to feel some disdain for her as a person or artist. On ATRL specifically, it doesn't help that there are constant "Taylor is bigger/better/more successful/more dedicated than __xyz__" threads every day, discrediting the work and success of other women that came before her all in the name of winning a popularity contest. Which, ironically is also misogynistic. However that's a specific environment that doesn't reflect the whole world, it's more of a simple annoyance that can be avoided. It may be another factor to that dislike of her from others. Not jealousy of the artist, but arrogance of fans I suppose. Edited September 1, 2023 by Proseductice 1
Cruel Summer Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Just now, airplane said: The problem with your fanbase is that they use those achievements to counter any criticism against your fave. Someone posted a tiktok lashing Taylor the other day and yall kept deflecting and saying: “She’s still gaining 100M daily streams”, “She’s still gonna make billions on her tour” Is that all she has to offer or is that all you guys stan her for? No matter how many times people try to explain what they actually like about her work, no matter what counterpoints people make to any of the criticism directed at her, everyone will continue to pretend that Taylor fans only talk about numbers. It’s never been true, but it’s easier for people to pretend it is. Even when people see and engage with posts that some of us make in good faith explaining what we like about her actual material, half of them go right back to pretending we never talk about anything but numbers, and half of them start talking about how “corny, insipid, childish” etc. they think her work is and how we’re wrong to like it anyway. There is literally no winning when people have made up their minds and glued their feet to whatever spot they chose. 6
Axolotl Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, airplane said: The problem with your fanbase is that they use those achievements to counter any criticism against your fave. Someone posted a tiktok lashing Taylor the other day for being a fake feminist and yall kept deflecting and saying: “She’s still gaining 100M daily streams”, “She’s still gonna make billions on her tour” Is that all she has to offer or is that the only thing you guys stan her for? Let's not move goalposts here or do whataboutisms. You clearly said only Swifties are happy about their fave's achievements. If one fanbase can't do that, then everyone else shouldn't be able to as well. You are clearly discounting the fact that a majority of people empathize and relate to her songs. Do you think invalidating other people's experiences with her music is something to be proud of? Do you hear yourself?
Kimi Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Also I (and most of us lets be real) cannot go one day without Taylor swift content being shown to me without my consent or curiosity, whether it's this forum, TikTok, Twitter etc. If you're not a fan this overexposure might turn you into a hater.
EmailMySwift Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, airplane said: The problem with your fanbase is that they use those achievements to counter any criticism against your fave. Someone posted a tiktok lashing Taylor the other day for being a fake feminist and yall kept deflecting and saying: “She’s still gaining 100M daily streams”, “She’s still gonna make billions on her tour” Is that all she has to offer or is that the only thing you guys stan her for? But everyone does that? Isn't 90% of what Rihanna fans use "top 10 on streaming with no new album" and "Forbes billionaire"?
airplane Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Axolotl said: Do you think invalidating other people's experiences with her music is something to be proud of? Do you hear yourself? I never said or implied any of that. Are these the voices in your head talking? Edited September 1, 2023 by airplane 1
Popular Post fentypark Posted September 1, 2023 Popular Post Posted September 1, 2023 her success is just not proportional to her musical talent and it will never be 18
Badgalbriel Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 21 minutes ago, Miley Cyrus said: Omg the songwriting narrative surrounding her is extremely forced and exaggerated. Her fans took that narrative and ran 1 million miles with it lol. Like it’s so exhausting to see. Shake It Off Me! Ready For It Need to calm down Like this is y’all’s songwriting fave..? so are you just gonna pretend the rest of her discography doesn't exist or...?
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