lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Axelios said: Not you counting rereleases as new albums. Also unlike Taylot Rihanna does 10000 features (with bigger artists than her like Eminem and Drake) which pad her stats Didn't Taylor literally get in the studio and record those tracks anew and release them and promoted them? Aren't those albums available for consumption? Then they're albums sweets. And it's not Rihanna's fault that she has successful features while 99% of Taylor's features are massive FLOPS 2 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Rihanna was spam releasing 30 singles in 4 years and yet her back catalog didn't sell like Taylor's currently is. Why? (See: Her spending like 40 weeks total in the BB200 top 10 pre-ANTI) Rihanna's singles sold though, so I don't know what you think you're doing with this lol. And Rihanna had sold more albums outside the U.S. (unlike Taylor) than she has within so it doesn't really matter as her stats worldwide balance that out. Stick to the topic where Taylor's released over 170 tracks all available for consumption in 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
istan4badgalriri Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Raspberries said: The success in question: https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-air-canada-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-greensboro-coliseum-complex https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-oracle-arena https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-honda-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-bank-atlantic-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-american-airlines-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-hard-rock-casino https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-mandalay-bay-event-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/rihanna-united-center https://www.groupon.com/deals/palace-auburn-hills-rihanna Baby idk what this is but the detailed numbers and receipts are right there in the post you just quoted… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, lonnie said: Acting like those re-recordings aren't full albums, one with a whole short film that was getting Oscars campaigning PR (and failed to get the nom). An album that contains several tracks is a lot more than a feature single here and there Y'all count the achievements those albums get but suddenly now they're not albums that should be counted? No they are not full albums, they don't perform as well as new albums and they cut the legs of her old albums. You can remove themfrom her stats if you want and her career would still easily surpass Rihanna. In fact even just her first 8 albums (Debut to Folklore) are enough. Edited August 8, 2023 by Axelios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, istan4badgalriri said: Baby idk what this is but the detailed numbers and receipts are right there in the post you just quoted… Rihanna relied on GroupOn's heavy discounts to fill her arenas That's what that is Again, NOBODY is paying real money to see her perform her hits live unless they're the price of a dinner at Olive Garden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, Artistofthedecade said: It is true that even Taylor's re-recordings are performing like Rihanna's brand new albums but don't you think it is a self drag to say it out loud Well at least you acknowledge that they're albums 1 minute ago, Axelios said: No they are not full albums, they don't perform as well as new albums and they cut the legs of her old albums. You can remove from her stats if you want and her career would still easily surpass Rihanna. So y'all only acknowledge them for their stats? Good to know. Doesn't change the fact that all those tracks are available to be streamed and bought alongside their originals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, lonnie said: Well at least you acknowledge that they're albums So y'all only acknowledge them for their stats? Good to know. Doesn't change the fact that all those tracks are available to be streamed and bought alongside their originals It doesn't matter you can remove them and still Taylor career >>>>>>>>>> Rihanna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, lonnie said: Well at least you acknowledge that they're albums Just like you acknowledged that they are indeed performing better than Rihanna's brand new albums Edited August 8, 2023 by Artistofthedecade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, lonnie said: Didn't Taylor literally get in the studio and record those tracks anew and release them and promoted them? Aren't those albums available for consumption? Then they're albums sweets. And it's not Rihanna's fault that she has successful features while 99% of Taylor's features are massive FLOPS Rihanna's singles sold though, so I don't know what you think you're doing with this lol. And Rihanna had sold more albums outside the U.S. (unlike Taylor) than she has within so it doesn't really matter as her stats worldwide balance that out. Stick to the topic where Taylor's released over 170 tracks all available for consumption in 4 years In the US, her average digital sales for a single is not that high. She has 0 ginormous sellers like her peer do. Again, she was aided by spamming singles (30 in 4 years) including huge features. Nobody gives two shits if Rihanna sold more outside the US. Taylor has outsold her on multiple continents despite making country music for the first 6 years of her career It's just that Taylor's sales in the US are absolutely massive. The only real measurable advantage Rihanna has over her overseas is Europe - and that's because Rihanna made trendy dance pop for a good portion of her career Her albums never had great longevity anywhere sans Loud in some European countries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
istan4badgalriri Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Rihanna's singles can't even get good streaming numbers in the golden age of the streaming era anymore babe Lift Me Up 302,367,485 (+302,886) Mind you, this had one of the biggest radio deals of all time, had like 150M in playlsiting, was on TTH for weeks, was billed as her big return to music, was performed at the Oscars, came out a few months before her big Super Bowl performance, etc And none of this changes the fact that Lift Me Up is a soundtrack single that’s not part of any Rihanna album and was never marketed as such. Quite literally a tribute song that doesn’t even sound like a Rihanna song. These numbers aren’t even bad, they’re at least much better than Taylor’s 2022 soundtrack single. Edited August 8, 2023 by istan4badgalriri 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Smith2 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1. Adele 2. Taylor swift 3. Beyonce 4. Rihanna 5. Gaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, Axelios said: It doesn't matter you can remove them and still Taylor career >>>>>>>>>> Rihanna Not really. And Rihanna coming from a humble background and a small island where her father didn't own stock in her label and didn't rely on Mid-Belt America to build her career and fanbase and achieved all that she has so that she can still take a break off music to focus on her businesses and family and still have people playing her music will always be a bigger accomplishment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Hero Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Navys acting like Rih is bigger than Taylor Taylor is the biggest, anyone who disagrees are delulu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
istan4badgalriri Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Rihanna relied on GroupOn's heavy discounts to fill her arenas That's what that is Again, NOBODY is paying real money to see her perform her hits live unless they're the price of a dinner at Olive Garden Yet her average ticket price on that tour was $75 according to Pollstar. Higher than the average ticket price of Taylor’s tour that year. Y’all say anything lmao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axelios Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, istan4badgalriri said: And none do this changes the fact that Lift Me Up is a soundtrack single that’s not part of any Rihanna album and was never marketed as such. Quite literally a tribute song that doesn’t even sound like a Rihanna song. These numbers aren’t even bad, they’re at least much better than Taylor’s 2022 soundtrack single. LMU received more promo than any Taylor song in the last few years with huge playlisting, huge radio deal, Oscar buzz, tribute song for a massive blockbuster... Its performance is very embarassing for Rihanna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, istan4badgalriri said: And none of this changes the fact that Lift Me Up is a soundtrack single that’s not part of any Rihanna album and was never marketed as such. Quite literally a tribute song that doesn’t even sound like a Rihanna song. These numbers aren’t even bad, they’re at least much better than Taylor’s 2022 soundtrack single. It received a bigger roll out than most lead singles do Multiple versions, one of the biggest radio deals of all time, shown in the pivotal moment of a blockbuster film, performed on TV in front of millions, one of the biggest playlisting debuts of all time, etc. Why are you comparing it to Carolina which was never performed, never sent to radio, never on any playlist etc You should be comparing it to Anti Hero since they have similar roll outs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti-Hero Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, lonnie said: Not really. And Rihanna coming from a humble background and a small island where her father didn't own stock in her label and didn't rely on Mid-Belt America to build her career and fanbase and achieved all that she has so that she can still take a break off music to focus on her businesses and family and still have people playing her music will always be a bigger accomplishment. You are delusional if you think Rihanna is bigger than Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keeandga Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Adele Taylor Beyonce Rihanna Gaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonnie Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: The Eras Tour will outgross Rihanna Just like you acknowledged that they are indeed performing better than Rihanna's brand new albums Where are these brand new Rihanna albums you speak of? I'd like to stream one please give us the links 3 minutes ago, Raspberries said: In the US, her average digital sales for a single is not that high. She has 0 ginormous sellers like her peer do. Again, she was aided by spamming singles (30 in 4 years) including huge features. Nobody gives two shits if Rihanna sold more outside the US. Taylor has outsold her on multiple continents despite making country music for the first 6 years of her career It's just that Taylor's sales in the US are absolutely massive. The only real measurable advantage Rihanna has over her overseas is Europe - and that's because Rihanna made trendy dance pop for a good portion of her career Her albums never had great longevity anywhere sans Loud in some European countries All this to admit that Taylor sells more in the U.S. than everywhere else and that Rihanna has successful singles? What about Taylor's FLOP features let's talk about that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, istan4badgalriri said: Yet her average ticket price on that tour was $75 according to Pollstar. Higher than the average ticket price of Taylor’s tour that year. Y’all say anything lmao Speak Now Tour: $123.7M / 110 shows - $1.12M average Loud Tour: $90M / 98 shows - $918k average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#ADOU Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Raspberries said: In the US, her average digital sales for a single is not that high. She has 0 ginormous sellers like her peer do. Again, she was aided by spamming singles (30 in 4 years) including huge features. Who cares? Taylor released 283462 songs in the past years and still none of them are bigger than the ones Rihanna released in 2009-2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, lonnie said: All this to admit that Taylor sells more in the U.S. than everywhere else and that Rihanna has successful singles? What about Taylor's FLOP features let's talk about that Yes, Taylor sells more in the US? It is her main market and she is arguably the biggest solo act in the history of music here Why are you holding that against her? Again, despite that, Taylor has outsold Rihanna on multiple continents outside the US and the only real difference between them is Europe and we know why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, #ADOU said: Who cares? Taylor released 283462 songs in the past years and still none of them are bigger than the ones Rihanna released in 2009-2013. Anti Hero is a bigger Hot 100 hit than any Rihanna solo song ever 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the Water Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 I see this was a bait to see how delusional some fanbases are and the navys fell for it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odeon Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Jjang said: they are worthless when they don’t play in your favor? Stupid Love - 69,925 album tracks: Heated - 303,895 Alien Superstar - 281,736 America Has A Problem - 242,719 no need for Bradley’s $120m marketing budget film only to crash the next era a year later cause lacking solo power is not an issue for Bey even much later into her career than Gaga who everyone seems to agree is ranked last Stupid Love: 3 years old These "album tracks" (two of which entered TTH): 1 year old, with Spotify already 50% bigger in 2022 than it was in 2020 Break My Soul is one of the weakest and shortest running #1 in history, it didn't even reach 20 weeks on Hot 100 despite massive promotion and radio payola. ASIB, Gaga's first movie as a lead actress, had a budget of just $36M against a box office of $436M, was a colossal worldwide success with a smash soundtrack (something none of Gaga's peers have) and earned Gaga a Best Actress nomination, something every pop diva dreams of, no wonder you can't sleep to this day because of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 The Eras Tour will outgross Rihanna's touring career x3 3 Taylor eras are bigger than Rihanna's biggest 8 Taylor eras are shaping up to end up bigger than Rihanna's second biggest What exactly is there to argue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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