base talk Taylor, Gaga, Bey, Rih, Adele - biggest?

[lonnie]

3 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Not you counting rereleases as new albums. Also unlike Taylot Rihanna does 10000 features (with bigger artists than her like Eminem and Drake) which pad her stats

Didn't Taylor literally get in the studio and record those tracks anew and release them and promoted them? Aren't those albums available for consumption? Then they're albums sweets. And it's not Rihanna's fault that she has successful features while 99% of Taylor's features are massive FLOPS

 

 

2 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Rihanna was spam releasing 30 singles in 4 years and yet her back catalog didn't sell like Taylor's currently is. Why? (See: Her spending like 40 weeks total in the BB200 top 10 pre-ANTI)

Rihanna's singles sold though, so I don't know what you think you're doing with this lol. And Rihanna had sold more albums outside the U.S. (unlike Taylor) than she has within so it doesn't really matter as her stats worldwide balance that out. Stick to the topic where Taylor's released over 170 tracks all available for consumption in 4 years

 

 

 

[istan4badgalriri]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

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Baby idk what this is but the detailed numbers and receipts are right there in the post you just quoted…

[Axelios]

39 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Acting like those re-recordings aren't full albums, one with a whole short film that was getting Oscars campaigning PR (and failed to get the nom). An album that contains several tracks is a lot more than a feature single here and there

 

Y'all count the achievements those albums get but suddenly now they're not albums that should be counted?

 

No they are not full albums, they don't perform as well as new albums and they cut the legs of her old albums. You can remove  themfrom her stats if you want and her career would still easily surpass Rihanna. In fact even just her first 8 albums (Debut to Folklore) are enough.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Axelios

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Baby idk what this is but the detailed numbers and receipts are right there in the post you just quoted…

Rihanna relied on GroupOn's heavy discounts to fill her arenas  That's what that is

 

Again, NOBODY is paying real money to see her perform her hits live unless they're the price of a dinner at Olive Garden

[lonnie]

Just now, Artistofthedecade said:

 

It is true that even Taylor's re-recordings are performing like Rihanna's brand new albums but don't you think it is a self drag to say it out loud

Well at least you acknowledge that they're albums

 

 

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

No they are not full albums, they don't perform as well as new albums and they cut the legs of her old albums. You can remove from her stats if you want and her career would still easily surpass Rihanna.

So y'all only acknowledge them for their stats? Good to know. Doesn't change the fact that all those tracks are available to be streamed and bought alongside their originals 

 

[Axelios]

Just now, lonnie said:

Well at least you acknowledge that they're albums

 

 

So y'all only acknowledge them for their stats? Good to know. Doesn't change the fact that all those tracks are available to be streamed and bought alongside their originals 

 

It doesn't matter you can remove them and still Taylor career >>>>>>>>>> Rihanna

[WildHeart]

 

4 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Well at least you acknowledge that they're albums

Just like you acknowledged that they are indeed performing better than Rihanna's brand new albums 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Raspberries]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Didn't Taylor literally get in the studio and record those tracks anew and release them and promoted them? Aren't those albums available for consumption? Then they're albums sweets. And it's not Rihanna's fault that she has successful features while 99% of Taylor's features are massive FLOPS

 

 

Rihanna's singles sold though, so I don't know what you think you're doing with this lol. And Rihanna had sold more albums outside the U.S. (unlike Taylor) than she has within so it doesn't really matter as her stats worldwide balance that out. Stick to the topic where Taylor's released over 170 tracks all available for consumption in 4 years

 

 

 

In the US, her average digital sales for a single is not that high. She has 0 ginormous sellers like her peer do. Again, she was aided by spamming singles (30 in 4 years) including huge features. 

 

Nobody gives two shits if Rihanna sold more outside the US. Taylor has outsold her on multiple continents despite making country music for the first 6 years of her career  It's just that Taylor's sales in the US are absolutely massive. The only real measurable advantage Rihanna has over her overseas is Europe - and that's because Rihanna made trendy dance pop for a good portion of her career

 

Her albums never had great longevity anywhere sans Loud in some European countries

[istan4badgalriri]

7 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Rihanna's singles can't even get good streaming numbers in the golden age of the streaming era anymore babe

 

Lift Me Up

302,367,485 (+302,886)

 

Mind you, this had one of the biggest radio deals of all time, had like 150M in playlsiting, was on TTH for weeks, was billed as her big return to music, was performed at the Oscars, came out a few months before her big Super Bowl performance, etc

And none of this changes the fact that Lift Me Up is a soundtrack single that’s not part of any Rihanna album and was never marketed as such. Quite literally a tribute song that doesn’t even sound like a Rihanna song. These numbers aren’t even bad, they’re at least much better than Taylor’s 2022 soundtrack single.

Edited August 8, 2023 by istan4badgalriri

[David Smith2]

1. Adele 

2. Taylor swift 

3. Beyonce 

4. Rihanna 

5. Gaga

 

[lonnie]

Just now, Axelios said:

It doesn't matter you can remove them and still Taylor career >>>>>>>>>> Rihanna

Not really. And Rihanna coming from a humble background and a small island where her father didn't own stock in her label and didn't rely on Mid-Belt America to build her career and fanbase and achieved all that she has so that she can still take a break off music to focus on her businesses and family and still have people playing her music will always be a bigger accomplishment. 

 

[Anti-Hero]

Navys acting like Rih is bigger than Taylor 

 

Taylor is the biggest, anyone who disagrees are delulu

[istan4badgalriri]

5 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Rihanna relied on GroupOn's heavy discounts to fill her arenas  That's what that is

 

Again, NOBODY is paying real money to see her perform her hits live unless they're the price of a dinner at Olive Garden

Yet her average ticket price on that tour was $75 according to Pollstar. Higher than the average ticket price of Taylor’s tour that year. Y’all say anything lmao

[Axelios]

Just now, istan4badgalriri said:

And none do this changes the fact that Lift Me Up is a soundtrack single that’s not part of any Rihanna album and was never marketed as such. Quite literally a tribute song that doesn’t even sound like a Rihanna song. These numbers aren’t even bad, they’re at least much better than Taylor’s 2022 soundtrack single.

LMU received more promo than any Taylor song in the last few years with huge playlisting, huge radio deal, Oscar buzz, tribute song for a massive blockbuster...

Its performance is very embarassing for Rihanna

[Raspberries]

Just now, istan4badgalriri said:

And none of this changes the fact that Lift Me Up is a soundtrack single that’s not part of any Rihanna album and was never marketed as such. Quite literally a tribute song that doesn’t even sound like a Rihanna song. These numbers aren’t even bad, they’re at least much better than Taylor’s 2022 soundtrack single.

It received a bigger roll out than most lead singles do  Multiple versions, one of the biggest radio deals of all time, shown in the pivotal moment of a blockbuster film, performed on TV in front of millions, one of the biggest playlisting debuts of all time, etc. Why are you comparing it to Carolina which was never performed, never sent to radio, never on any playlist etc  You should be comparing it to Anti Hero since they have similar roll outs

[Anti-Hero]

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

Not really. And Rihanna coming from a humble background and a small island where her father didn't own stock in her label and didn't rely on Mid-Belt America to build her career and fanbase and achieved all that she has so that she can still take a break off music to focus on her businesses and family and still have people playing her music will always be a bigger accomplishment. 

 

You are delusional if you think Rihanna is bigger than Taylor 

[Keeandga]

Adele 

Taylor 

Beyonce 

Rihanna 
Gaga 

[lonnie]

2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

The Eras Tour will outgross Rihanna

Just like you acknowledged that they are indeed performing better than Rihanna's brand new albums 

Where are these brand new Rihanna albums you speak of? I'd like to stream one please give us the links

 

 

3 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

In the US, her average digital sales for a single is not that high. She has 0 ginormous sellers like her peer do. Again, she was aided by spamming singles (30 in 4 years) including huge features. 

 

Nobody gives two shits if Rihanna sold more outside the US. Taylor has outsold her on multiple continents despite making country music for the first 6 years of her career  It's just that Taylor's sales in the US are absolutely massive. The only real measurable advantage Rihanna has over her overseas is Europe - and that's because Rihanna made trendy dance pop for a good portion of her career

 

Her albums never had great longevity anywhere sans Loud in some European countries

All this to admit that Taylor sells more in the U.S. than everywhere else and that Rihanna has successful singles? What about Taylor's FLOP features let's talk about that

 

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Yet her average ticket price on that tour was $75 according to Pollstar. Higher than the average ticket price of Taylor’s tour that year. Y’all say anything lmao

Speak Now Tour: $123.7M / 110 shows - $1.12M average

Loud Tour: $90M / 98 shows - $918k average

 

 

[#ADOU]

2 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

In the US, her average digital sales for a single is not that high. She has 0 ginormous sellers like her peer do. Again, she was aided by spamming singles (30 in 4 years) including huge features. 

Who cares? Taylor released 283462 songs in the past years and still none of them are bigger than the ones Rihanna released in 2009-2013.

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, lonnie said:

All this to admit that Taylor sells more in the U.S. than everywhere else and that Rihanna has successful singles? What about Taylor's FLOP features let's talk about that

 

Yes, Taylor sells more in the US? It is her main market and she is arguably the biggest solo act in the history of music here  Why are you holding that against her? Again, despite that, Taylor has outsold Rihanna on multiple continents outside the US and the only real difference between them is Europe and we know why

[Raspberries]

1 minute ago, #ADOU said:

Who cares? Taylor released 283462 songs in the past years and still none of them are bigger than the ones Rihanna released in 2009-2013.

Anti Hero is a bigger Hot 100 hit than any Rihanna solo song ever  

[By the Water]

I see this was a bait to see how delusional some fanbases are and the navys fell for it

 

[Odeon]

11 hours ago, Jjang said:

they are worthless when they don’t play in your favor?

 

Stupid Love  - 69,925 

 

album tracks: 

Heated - 303,895

Alien Superstar - 281,736

America Has A Problem - 242,719 

 

 

no need for Bradley’s $120m marketing budget film only to crash the next era a year later cause lacking solo power is not an issue for Bey even much later into her career than Gaga who everyone seems to agree is ranked last  

 

Stupid Love: 3 years old

 

These "album tracks" (two of which entered TTH): 1 year old, with Spotify already 50% bigger in 2022 than it was in 2020

 

Break My Soul is one of the weakest and shortest running #1 in history, it didn't even reach 20 weeks on Hot 100 despite massive promotion and radio payola.

 

ASIB, Gaga's first movie as a lead actress, had a budget of just $36M against a box office of $436M, was a colossal worldwide success with a smash soundtrack (something none of Gaga's peers have) and earned Gaga a Best Actress nomination, something every pop diva dreams of, no wonder you can't sleep to this day because of it. 

[WildHeart]

The Eras Tour will outgross Rihanna's touring career x3 

3 Taylor eras are bigger than Rihanna's biggest 

8 Taylor eras are shaping up to end up bigger than Rihanna's second biggest 

 

What exactly is there to argue