news Debt Ceiling Deal - Democrats give in to GOP demands: food stamps, student debt, IRS

[Communion]

Edit - Update 5/27/23:

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Summary of deal as I understand it:

— Debt ceiling raised 2 years

— Domestic programs frozen next year, up 1% ‘25. Inflation-adjusted cut

— Boosts defense, VA $

— Some tightening of work requirements on TANF, SNAP

— Energy permitting (details tbd)

— Claw back some new IRS $

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1662628128034791425

Edited May 29, 2023 by Communion

[brooklyndaddy]

Do you ever post about Republicans destroying the country? Or is the goal to just get people not to vote at all? 

[Helios]

10 minutes ago, brooklyndaddy said:

Do you ever post about Republicans destroying the country? Or is the goal to just get people not to vote at all? 

This entire standoff is about Republicans making even stricter demands on the poor and low income Americans and somehow its the Democrats fault.

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, brooklyndaddy said:

Do you ever post about Republicans destroying the country?

What do you think the thread is about?

 

Why are you shocked people are upset over the president wanting to negotiate with people destroying our country? Are you saying you would negotiate with such terrorists?

Edited May 21, 2023 by Communion

[xDiamondx]

3 hours ago, Helios said:

This entire standoff is about Republicans making even stricter demands on the poor and low income Americans and somehow its the Democrats fault.

The issue is that Democrats are constantly appeasing Republicans over the years and this is no different.

 

Especially under Democrat presidents, Republicans have continually held the debt ceiling situation hostage and for insane concessions. Biden himself is a bloody moron if he actually believes Republicans will EVER bargain in good-faith.

[Helios]

37 minutes ago, xDiamondx said:

The issue is that Democrats are constantly appeasing Republicans over the years and this is no different.

 

Especially under Democrat presidents, Republicans have continually held the debt ceiling situation hostage and for insane concessions. Biden himself is a bloody moron if he actually believes Republicans will EVER bargain in good-faith.

The Debt ceiling has never not been raised. The main reason talks are stalled is because Republicans want to negotiate things that will hurt low income Americans and Biden refuses to accept that. Also when the government shut down during Trumps presidency the Democrats refused to negotiate with Republicans and Trump basically had to give in. It seems to me that the Republicans are willing to take this country off the cliff for even the smallest "win." Its actually scary.  

Edited May 21, 2023 by Helios

[ClashAndBurn]

10 minutes ago, Helios said:

The main reason talks are stalled is because Republicans want to negotiate things that will hurt low income Americans and Biden refuses to accept that.

Objectively incorrect framing that ignores the fact that Joe Biden is actively working with Republicans to cut benefits, and his concessions are leading Republicans to realize that they CAN ask for more hardline stuff that would be even more difficult for the Democrat base to accept. Medicare/social security cuts are coming, as Biden has always actually wanted to do. It'll just be a matter of when he can miserably whine at his voters 'There's nothing more I could do, it's not my fault" when he's written off every option available and given Republicans zero reason to blink. He has no plan. He is a coward.

[xDiamondx]

19 minutes ago, Helios said:

The Debt ceiling has never not been raised. The main reason talks are stalled is because Republicans want to negotiate things that will hurt low income Americans and Biden refuses to accept that. Also when the government shut down during Trumps presidency the Democrats refused to negotiate with Republicans and Trump basically had to give in. It seems to me that the Republicans are willing to take this country off the cliff for even the smallest "win." Its actually scary.  

May as well start off the 30s repeating history again because we're being dragged down by FascisRepublicans and complacent corporate Democrats (a handful mind you, I'm not generalizing all democrats). 

 

The problem has always been that Democrats during their presidency years, is that they capitulate certain concessions in these debt ceiling talks. It's worse now because Republicans are imposing policies that will lead to another purge again.  Biden himself has already proven he can't be trusted to keep his campaign promises (or have we already forgotten that he backstabbed the railroad workers by forcing them back to work? He's very much anti-union despite his rhetoric). Not sure why you believe the senile old man genuinely cares about the working class.

[Robert]

As a non-US citizen and I mean this sincerely, what are the alternatives to negotiating with republicans? Is there anyway he can override them to raise the debt ceiling? This would be a disaster for the US and global economy.

[Vermillion]

 

[Vermillion]

All my prior bets are now off the table, including my presidential toss-up vs. Trump. I give it to Trump handily if Biden fails. 

 

The question is how many progressives stay home election day if further work requirements are added to Medicaid, let alone SNAP benefits if that’s their ultimate ask, apparently. Forget the damn wall.

 

Even a national birth control ban can’t beat a default.

 

 

[Bears01]

5 hours ago, Robert said:

As a non-US citizen and I mean this sincerely, what are the alternatives to negotiating with republicans? Is there anyway he can override them to raise the debt ceiling? This would be a disaster for the US and global economy.

The 14th amendment of the U.S. constitution basically null and voids the entire need for this Debt Ceiling standoff that we go through every year. The problem would be surviving it through the Supreme Court who….is biased, we’ll just say that 

[Communion]

18 hours ago, Helios said:

and Biden refuses to accept that

The whole point is that Biden IS NOT refusing that reality and is thus being rightfully criticized by Democrats for it:

For someone who claims to want to see Democrats succeed, you appear unable to actually listen to the Democrats who most represent the views of the Democratic base when they raise red flags about other politicians.

[ClashAndBurn]

20 hours ago, Espresso said:

All my prior bets are now off the table, including my presidential toss-up vs. Trump. I give it to Trump handily if Biden fails. 

 

The question is how many progressives stay home election day if further work requirements are added to Medicaid, let alone SNAP benefits if that’s their ultimate ask, apparently. Forget the damn wall.

 

Even a national birth control ban can’t beat a default.

 

 

Suburbanites will massively turn on Biden if there's a default at all. I'm sure that's what Republicans are betting on. They were willing to overlook inflation purely because everything else the GOP was doing added up. I think individually, abortion, Jan. 6/election denial, and overall candidate quality wouldn't have been a wash,  especially the latter two, and we'd have ended up with Herschel Walker and Mehmet Oz as senators, in addition to Blake Masters and Adam Laxalt.

 

If we default, the narrative will be "Biden's been a disaster for the economy; at least Trump had things under control up until COVID which wasn't even his fault and Biden barely handled it better anyway, with more than double the amount of deaths in spite of the Trump vaccine."

[Vermillion]

 

[Vermillion]

 

[Sannie]

22 hours ago, Bears01 said:

The 14th amendment of the U.S. constitution basically null and voids the entire need for this Debt Ceiling standoff that we go through every year. The problem would be surviving it through the Supreme Court who….is biased, we’ll just say that 

This could a delusional take, but I do not see SCOTUS being willing to wade into this and be the reason the country defaults. There is too much at stake for them to basically be like, "actually, what is best for the country is a massive economic disaster". I will not hold my breath.

 

The public narrative so far seems to imply people understand the Republicans are at fault here so it is a good thing Dems are getting that message out, but it is still bad for Biden if default happens.

 

I also do not buy that Dems are "shocked & confused". I think this is the narrative they are pushing to further show how extreme Republicans are being. Again, probably a delusional take as it does give these people a lot of credit, but so far this is what it seems like to me.

[ClashAndBurn]

9 minutes ago, Sannie said:

The public narrative so far seems to imply people understand the Republicans are at fault here so it is a good thing Dems are getting that message out, but it is still bad for Biden if default happens.

 

 

That doesn't seem to comport with reality.

 

[Communion]

 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

 

Gonna be real cute if we get another pandemic and can't adequately respond to it because of Joe ******* Biden  

[ClashAndBurn]

 

 

It's clear at this point that Joe Biden and the Democrats want the debt ceiling to stand to keep as an excuse to starve the social safety net.

 

@Communion

 

[Communion]

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New: WH floats cutting some new IRS $ from IRA in debt ceiling deal

Not expected to exceed $10B of the $80B approved - could be much less

“Fig leaf” aimed at mitigating big cuts to domestic programs of ~6-10%

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1661859497453793280

 

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Summary of deal as I understand it:

— Debt ceiling raised 2 years

— Domestic programs frozen next year, up 1% ‘25. Inflation-adjusted cut

— Boosts defense, VA $

— Some tightening of work requirements on TANF, SNAP

— Energy permitting (details tbd)

— Claw back some new IRS $

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1662628128034791425

[If U Seek Amy]

I just read through this. Of course, defense boosts with cuts elsewhere

[Communion]

"We have to show our voters that Republican are terrorists. To do this, we'll be working with them to force 40M people who disproportionately will vote for us and not them back into forced payments even though we have not yet been able to forgive the debt we campaigned on forgiving"

 

Biden just lost his re-election campaign.

 

[modeblock]

they're barely okay with providing nutritional sustenance for their human-shaped cogs 

 

even tyson keeps their stock well fed 

 

i'm sure they'd love to turn us into soylent grihn by age 29.9 

Edited May 28, 2023 by modeblock