Communion Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: I'm not reading that - The average American when Democratic voters kept asserting that President Carter was the lesser of two evils.
CaptainMusic Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: Since when have either party held debates when they have an incumbent candidate? Let's be serious, this isn't news.
Wonderland Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) I would say something but Save Me Oprah already annihilated the OP so I'll just cosign THAT Edited April 24, 2023 by Wonderland
Bloodflowers. Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 Both Marianne and Kennedy have enough support with polling that debates demand from a candidate to have. Ironic how it's called Democratic party but there is nothing democratic about them. They are loud when it comes to Republicans but they themselves are always rigging and twisting rules to have right-wing Democrats in position of power.
Johnny Cash Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 Democrats continue to be a joke, what else is new.
ClashAndBurn Posted April 24, 2023 Author Posted April 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wonderland said: I would say something but Save Me Oprah already annihilated the OP so I'll just cosign THAT Save Me Oprah didn't annihilate anything, but glad to know you're okay with the Democratic Party failing to live up to its name, as per usual
Moloko Plus Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 Democrats can have fun losing in 2024. It’s all by design anyways
ZIVERT Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: Since when have either party held debates when they have an incumbent candidate? Let's be serious, this isn't news. Get them
GraceRandolph Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Ryan said: Biden is the nominee. There no need for debates. Jesus.
getBusy Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 Marianne of all people complaining about this LOL Is this great? No. Is it expected and obvious? Yes.
Vermillion Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 I have nothing to add to what's already been unpacked here because it'd be a broken record to the posts I've already made in the Politics thread. Other than - Who is the next viable challenger for the left seeing as Bernie's signaled he's done. And no, Warren nor AOC counts.
Bosque Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 6 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Trump was exceedingly popular among the Republican base and they currently overwhelmingly want him to run again after losing because, frankly, he came extremely close to holding his seat. Biden is deeply unpopular as an incumbent not just for the general election but DEMOCRATS don’t want him to run again. They just have to indulge his narcissism. Biden’s approval rating among Democrats is 80%, which is almost identical with Trumps approval rating before the election among Republicans. How is it possible to be this consistently wrong about basic facts?
GraceRandolph Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Dephira said: Biden’s approval rating among Democrats is 80%, which is almost identical with Trumps approval rating before the election among Republicans. How is it possible to be this consistently wrong about basic facts? Trump was a one-term president though?
Communion Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, getBusy said: Marianne of all people complaining about this LOL Is this great? No. Is it expected and obvious? Yes. I mean, why wouldn't she? She's evidence that a good debate performance can grow one's support. Her first debate was the first time in all of 2020 that someone running mentioned reparations and her mentioning it (previously scoffed as a 'fringe' view) forced every candidate to have to clarify their position on it. Isn't that important? Most of the candidates did not consider it a serious issue, but because Marianne spoke so surely of it knowing it to be a moral good, and the reception was so good, it immediately became a criteria which candidates knew they would be judged. One they would not be before. This is where partisans and non-partisans seem to butt heads, even when they are ideologically similarity. Partisan Dems favor maximizing electoral prospects, but these technocratic approaches that demand no debate on policy usually put off non-partisans like young people and independents. Sanders running on M4A forced Clinton to have to state her view,on the issue, which ended in her coming out as against universal healthcare. And she lost for that view. Warren and Bernie running on student debt in 2020 forced every candidate to take a stance on what was, again, a previously fringe issue. It forced Biden, who literally worked with Bank of America to make student debt permanent, move left on the topic and embrace the popular idea that poor people getting an education shouldn't be punished. Most people who will view themselves as left align and caring about specific issues, and not just winning elections for the sake of winning elections, would complain about this. If their visions for America doffer and Biden believes that his vision is better, he should he able to articulate that.
Communion Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dephira said: Biden’s approval rating among Democrats is 80% And even with this being true, polling shows a majority of Democrats don't want him to run again. . If you try to claim something is false, you actually have to debunk what the sentence is actually saying. Not what you hope you can lie it says because ypu may not want Biden challenged on being okay with poor people dying.
SmittenCake Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 I can't picture myself voting if Biden gets the nomination. I'll sit this one out.
Bosque Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Trump was exceedingly popular among the Republican base and they currently overwhelmingly want him to run again after losing because, frankly, he came extremely close to holding his seat. Biden is deeply unpopular as an incumbent not just for the general election but DEMOCRATS don’t want him to run again. They just have to indulge his narcissism. 23 minutes ago, Dephira said: Biden’s approval rating among Democrats is 80%, which is almost identical with Trumps approval rating before the election among Republicans. How is it possible to be this consistently wrong about basic facts? 13 minutes ago, Communion said: And even with this being true, polling shows a majority of Democrats don't want him to run again. . If you try to claim something is false, you actually have to debunk what the sentence is actually saying. Not what you hope you can lie it says because ypu may not want Biden challenged on being okay with poor people dying. So this is actually a parody account, right? It's actually kind of funny how you immediately jump to one of the various strawmen you always have ready and prepared instead of just... correctly reading a reply consisting of 1 or 2 sentences. Edited April 24, 2023 by Dephira
getBusy Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, Communion said: I mean, why wouldn't she? She's evidence that a good debate performance can grow one's support. Her first debate was the first time in all of 2020 that someone running mentioned reparations and her mentioning it (previously scoffed as a 'fringe' view) forced every candidate to have to clarify their position on it. Isn't that important? Most of the candidates did not consider it a serious issue, but because Marianne spoke so surely of it knowing it to be a moral good, and the reception was so good, it immediately became a criteria which candidates knew they would be judged. One they would not be before. This is where partisans and non-partisans seem to butt heads, even when they are ideologically similarity. Partisan Dems favor maximizing electoral prospects, but these technocratic approaches that demand no debate on policy usually put off non-partisans like young people and independents. Sanders running on M4A forced Clinton to have to state her view,on the issue, which ended in her coming out as against universal healthcare. And she lost for that view. Warren and Bernie running on student debt in 2020 forced every candidate to take a stance on what was, again, a previously fringe issue. It forced Biden, who literally worked with Bank of America to make student debt permanent, move left on the topic and embrace the popular idea that poor people getting an education shouldn't be punished. Most people who will view themselves as left align and caring about specific issues, and not just winning elections for the sake of winning elections, would complain about this. If their visions for America doffer and Biden believes that his vision is better, he should he able to articulate that. I just can’t take her seriously, I’m sorry. Her “peace and love and magic crystals” point of view is useless in this day and age. totally agree with you that debates force conversations and that IS useful. But i don’t think it adds much value when you have a Democratic President already. Biden should be the candidate. And i don’t love the guy.
getBusy Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, SmittenCake said: I can't picture myself voting if Biden gets the nomination. I'll sit this one out. Bc the alternative is so much better… 🤔
Communion Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dephira said: correctly reading a reply consisting of 1 or 2 sentences. The sentence you keep quoting is literally that user in question citing a majority of Democrats wanting Biden to not run to show he is unpopular with Dems. So again, you have to actually debunk what it says. Not what you hope it says. And "well actually approval ratings are the only true sign of popularity, even if a majority don't want him to run" is pedantry reserved only for people who know they are wrong. So again - why do you think over half of all Dem voters don't want Biden to run again? And why do you feel these people are wrong?
Reginald Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) The DNC has learned nothing If Republicans are smart enough to nominate someone other than Trump or DeSantis, Joe will have an extremely tough road to re-election. People do NOT like Joe Biden. DEMOCRATS don't even like Joe Biden Edited April 24, 2023 by Reginald
Zox Posted April 24, 2023 Posted April 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Ryan said: I would proudly cast my vote for Biden in a primary, just as I did in 2020. I will proudly vote for him again for president as I did in 2020. There are no better options, with a record of achievements to replace him. I don’t need to agree with him 100% of the time, just a majority. And I do. And thus he has my support. The Supreme Court, the senate, the house are too important to lose to the nonsense that plagued the 2016 campaign and tried to in 2020. All of this
ClashAndBurn Posted April 24, 2023 Author Posted April 24, 2023 33 minutes ago, Dephira said: Biden’s approval rating among Democrats is 80%, which is almost identical with Trumps approval rating before the election among Republicans. How is it possible to be this consistently wrong about basic facts? 80% approval from your own party when you’re the incumbent president is weak. And that doesn’t refute what I was saying, which is that most DEMOCRATS DO NOT WANT BIDEN TO RUN AGAIN. Biden’s general approval rating is abysmal, generally floating around the high thirties to low forties even though his party barely avoided a shellacking in the Midterm. How is it possible to be this consistently bad at interpreting basic data and reading basic English?
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