Raspberries Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) Beyoncé is driven, focused and knows how to deliver good music (especially from 4 on). She is a very talented vocalist and performer on top of the quality work she puts out. Arguably the greatest entertainer alive Edited April 16 by Raspberries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suneclipse121 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 hours ago, lael said: Shakira has sold more than Beyonce in Europe: I said overall. Beyoncé's overall career includes Destiny's Child. She clears Shakira on every front as I originally stated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkbutterflies Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Oh please, iam sure Beyonce is driven and talent and being hungry played a huge role in her success. But why is everyone pretending to ignore the elephant in the room? If you look at Beyonce's career tragectory, it became very obvious what it was before and after marrying Jay z. Before Jayz, just like many pop puppets she was relegated to doing basic pop stuff because she has to stick to her managements budget even though she has one of the better managements due to her father. After jay, suddenly she could experiment and have all these resources and numerous tries to carve out the brand that she has now. All the heavy playlisting and pr pieces circulating nonstop in the media became very obvious after jay z. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glam Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 She's able to put out solid and coherent albums every single time. Even "4" that was a flop by her standards, is a pretty solid effort. So her stans and her casual fans know that everytime she releases, they will get quality. I personally don't understand why it's so hard for other popstars to do the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVP Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Pinkbutterflies said: Oh please, iam sure Beyonce is driven and talent and being hungry played a huge role in her success. But why is everyone pretending to ignore the elephant in the room? If you look at Beyonce's career tragectory, it became very obvious what it was before and after marrying Jay z. Before Jayz, just like many pop puppets she was relegated to doing basic pop stuff because she has to stick to her managements budget even though she has one of the better managements due to her father. After jay, suddenly she could experiment and have all these resources and numerous tries to carve out the brand that she has now. All the heavy playlisting and pr pieces circulating nonstop in the media became very obvious after jay z. Do you know she is with JayZ since the beginning of her solo career? Edited April 16 by LVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 15 minutes ago, Pinkbutterflies said: Oh please, iam sure Beyonce is driven and talent and being hungry played a huge role in her success. But why is everyone pretending to ignore the elephant in the room? If you look at Beyonce's career tragectory, it became very obvious what it was before and after marrying Jay z. Before Jayz, just like many pop puppets she was relegated to doing basic pop stuff because she has to stick to her managements budget even though she has one of the better managements due to her father. After jay, suddenly she could experiment and have all these resources and numerous tries to carve out the brand that she has now. All the heavy playlisting and pr pieces circulating nonstop in the media became very obvious after jay z. She wasn't even doing pop music before meeting Jay Z you really just made that up 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Pinkbutterflies said: Oh please, iam sure Beyonce is driven and talent and being hungry played a huge role in her success. But why is everyone pretending to ignore the elephant in the room? If you look at Beyonce's career tragectory, it became very obvious what it was before and after marrying Jay z. Before Jayz, just like many pop puppets she was relegated to doing basic pop stuff because she has to stick to her managements budget even though she has one of the better managements due to her father. After jay, suddenly she could experiment and have all these resources and numerous tries to carve out the brand that she has now. All the heavy playlisting and pr pieces circulating nonstop in the media became very obvious after jay z. The way you just typed 3 paragraphs of straight up lies because you were that desperate to troll. That is so embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkbutterflies Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 54 minutes ago, Lovett said: The way you just typed 3 paragraphs of straight up lies because you were that desperate to troll. That is so embarrassing. The fact that u had to redo your post to seem like I didn't hit a nerve. The fact that you have to lie to yourself about trolling to stay in your bubble. The fact that basic realities of capitalism doesn't apply to Beyonce because she is different!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay07 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 hours ago, Pinkbutterflies said: Oh please, iam sure Beyonce is driven and talent and being hungry played a huge role in her success. But why is everyone pretending to ignore the elephant in the room? If you look at Beyonce's career tragectory, it became very obvious what it was before and after marrying Jay z. Before Jayz, just like many pop puppets she was relegated to doing basic pop stuff because she has to stick to her managements budget even though she has one of the better managements due to her father. After jay, suddenly she could experiment and have all these resources and numerous tries to carve out the brand that she has now. All the heavy playlisting and pr pieces circulating nonstop in the media became very obvious after jay z. Aside from the obvious fact that she's been with Jay since the beginning of her career, the fact is Jay's career has declined while Beyonce's has only soared. It's so nice of him to give her so many resources and keep none for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twixters Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Drive is the main factor. Same reason people like Madonna and Cher are still forces and their peers aren't. (Besides death) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristie Kuwa Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Because shes better, simple as that. Thats the elephant in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaunzie Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I will be homest, be happy that Beyonce is having this level of success. She earned it and she deserves it. Trying to bring down her supposed competitors when They have retired/semi-retired from music. Most of them Moved on to different lanes of entertainment i.e movies, fashion and the like e.g J.Lo Died Fell out of public favour. e.g Brandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrudenceHCharmed Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 hours ago, Pinkbutterflies said: Oh please, iam sure Beyonce is driven and talent and being hungry played a huge role in her success. But why is everyone pretending to ignore the elephant in the room? If you look at Beyonce's career tragectory, it became very obvious what it was before and after marrying Jay z. Before Jayz, just like many pop puppets she was relegated to doing basic pop stuff because she has to stick to her managements budget even though she has one of the better managements due to her father. After jay, suddenly she could experiment and have all these resources and numerous tries to carve out the brand that she has now. All the heavy playlisting and pr pieces circulating nonstop in the media became very obvious after jay z. And why did EIL flop? You guys swore she was over after The Gift and now y'all want to give all the credits to Jay-Z? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrudenceHCharmed Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 10 hours ago, Eternium said: So this is why the Hive has been so pressed about Shakira? LMFAO. Shakira's latest album is bigger than any Beyonce album in the past decade Spotify LMYNL - 3,650,860,243 (+4,704,389 daily) Cowboy Carter - 764,042,461 (+13,592,407 daily) Renaissance - 2,868,847,303 (+1,602,437 daily) The Gift - 760,493,585 (+193,813 daily) Lemonade - 1,351,757,430 (+544,386 daily) Of course you would post the lowest daily streams as possible. Not surprised. RENAISSANCE had been doing 2M+ daily for months except the lowest in Sundays and The Gift is well over 200K and highest at 300K on weekdays. Not you posting the wrong totals especially the 100M+ difference for TG to desperately make Beyoncé looking like a flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 hours ago, Pinkbutterflies said: The fact that u had to redo your post to seem like I didn't hit a nerve. The fact that you have to lie to yourself about trolling to stay in your bubble. The fact that basic realities of capitalism doesn't apply to Beyonce because she is different!!! Redo my post? Not you following up one post of lies with another one. You might want to beg for attention in another way because trolling is not your thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maaricle Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Her self-titled album was a huge turning point for her career. Becoming an album artist with undeniably strong concepts is what solidified her longevity and legacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 8 hours ago, Pinkbutterflies said: Oh please, iam sure Beyonce is driven and talent and being hungry played a huge role in her success. But why is everyone pretending to ignore the elephant in the room? If you look at Beyonce's career tragectory, it became very obvious what it was before and after marrying Jay z. Before Jayz, just like many pop puppets she was relegated to doing basic pop stuff because she has to stick to her managements budget even though she has one of the better managements due to her father. After jay, suddenly she could experiment and have all these resources and numerous tries to carve out the brand that she has now. All the heavy playlisting and pr pieces circulating nonstop in the media became very obvious after jay z. The conspiracy theories Jay Z did not have the power you think he had back in the early/mid 00s - and Beyoncé had like 5 #1s back then and huge albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great808 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Damn y'all this is one of the many reasons why it's difficult to ever support this woman like when y'all make threads like this it's not even more about her strengths or stuff like that but how you would rather point out how everyone around her failed. Her and her fans are supposed to he so supportive of women and this and that and y'all literally want her to be the ONLY one at this point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkbutterflies Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 49 minutes ago, Lovett said: Redo my post? Not you following up one post of lies with another one. You might want to beg for attention in another way because trolling is not your thing. Another deflection with the same ole pattern. It's trolling and this is not your thing!!!! It's ok, we all know the distraction tactics u guys use just like Beyonce's smoke and mirrors career. 🤣🤣 You can have the last word sweetie since it seems very important to you . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lael Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 10 hours ago, suneclipse121 said: I said overall. Beyoncé's overall career includes Destiny's Child. She clears Shakira on every front as I originally stated. If you include Destiny's Child, yeah she is umabigiously the bigger artist. Can't say she is bigger on every front though. Shakira's youtube stats are bigger than Beyonce and Destiny's Child combined. Also, even though Beyonce outgrosses Shakira, Shakira has toured in more countries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Guedes Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 P!nk isn't doing much on streams because her team sucks and she took the biggest pause (5 years) after her biggest success during the initial phase of the streaming era (2012-2017). However, she had the biggest female tour of the last decade and is about to surpass the Renaissance tour as the biggest female tour in history, so I wouldn't say she failed or even put her in the same bag as Britney, Avril, Xtina, Alicia, Kelly etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrudenceHCharmed Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Great808 said: Damn y'all this is one of the many reasons why it's difficult to ever support this woman like when y'all make threads like this it's not even more about her strengths or stuff like that but how you would rather point out how everyone around her failed. Her and her fans are supposed to he so supportive of women and this and that and y'all literally want her to be the ONLY one at this point. I wish you would say that when the haters laughed at her, dragged her and said she was over during The Gift or during 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheers Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 She has the most drive and she isn't releasing cheesy music like Pink and Britney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 hours ago, Pinkbutterflies said: Another deflection with the same ole pattern. It's trolling and this is not your thing!!!! It's ok, we all know the distraction tactics u guys use just like Beyonce's smoke and mirrors career. 🤣🤣 You can have the last word sweetie since it seems very important to you . The way you cannot even defend the lies you're telling, so you immediately try and change to another one. ATRL has seen some brain-dead trolling in its time, but you are really taking it to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanes Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 She is releasing and has released better music than all of her peers lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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