charts discussion Spotify: Endless Summer Vacation 29,9m debut | First week: 151m

[WildHeart]

1 hour ago, More Than A Melody said:

Just saw you on twitter with this lame ass theory as well. Harry's House is outstreaming Midnights standard daily (both 13 tracks) despite being 6 months older. And it debuted with 98.4m.

You replied to people pointing that out "but As It Was does most of the streams" which is fundamentally wrong. As It Was does 4M+/- and Harry's House does 10M+. Midnights has Anti-Hero which does 3M+/- and also does 10M (slightly less). So Harry's House is doing incredibly similar numbers to Midnights despite being 6 months older (10/11 months vs 4/5), and its lead single is doing better and is more stable than Anti-Hero.

 

Including Sza in this was also really weird, because Sza isn't even with Columbia, she's with RCA. And to that you replied "but RCA is under Sony"  which is a ridiculous statement because Miley went from having no support on her career with RCA to finally having decent support with Columbia. And not to mention that SOS outstreams Midnights 3AM (both have a very similar amount of tracks with SOS having 23 and Midnights having 20)

 

Taylor Swift fans of all people coming up with conspiracy theories about labels doing payola has to be peak hipocrisy.

 

Miley did the same numbers with ESV than she did with PH if you take away Flowers, and that's with PH having a longer tracklist. There's nothing sus at all.

Harry’s House after 210 days + a month for As It Was

Midnights after 140 days 

 

Predicted days for 4B streams - 167 days 

 

Harry’s House's daily streams before Grammy boost (and while he was on tour) - 8,633,541 

 

 

More tracks = less average streams

If Midnights had only 13 songs, it would even have more streams per track but despite that, Midnights tracks still outperformed Harry’s House tracks. 

 

 

Conclusion - Midnights, an album 17 years into Taylor's career STOMPED on every one of Harry’s albums just like The Eras Tour STOMPED on what Love On Tour did in 3 years, as i promised you months ago.

Welcome back 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[unclefloprry]

4 minutes ago, iknowplaces said:

FN still had two smash hits that were heavily promoted on Spotify 

And 9/11 in the top 50

 

[Trent W]

Damn this is horrible.

 

Flowers is probably the biggest female hit in years

I honestly thought she would debut with at least 50-60m. It really felt like a full comeback.

 

I won’t count her out yet. PH had amazing longevity and Flowers is not going anywhere for a while.

[More Than A Melody]

Just now, Axelios said:

Yes but a lot of it is just due to Flowers resonating really well with the GP and having extremely good callouts on radio since release. It also benefited from being released at the same time as the viral Shakira song especially for latin countries. I don't think that Flowers smashing compared to her other leads is "only" due to the label.

Never said it was "only" due to the radio. My original comment was that Miley didn't have support from RCA and now has decent support from Columbia, and people tried to argue that wasn't true because she herself promoted Midnight Sky a lot back when it came out. But that's a Miley thing. The label can't force an artist to promote. Harry hates promoting but still did cute little promo things, what Miley does is up to Miley.

[Scott Borchetta]

1 hour ago, More Than A Melody said:

Just saw you on twitter with this lame ass theory as well. Harry's House is outstreaming Midnights standard daily (both 13 tracks) despite being 6 months older. And it debuted with 98.4m.

You replied to people pointing that out "but As It Was does most of the streams" which is fundamentally wrong. As It Was does 4M+/- and Harry's House does 10M+. Midnights has Anti-Hero which does 3M+/- and also does 10M (slightly less). So Harry's House is doing incredibly similar numbers to Midnights despite being 6 months older (10/11 months vs 4/5), and its lead single is doing better and is more stable than Anti-Hero.

 

Including Sza in this was also really weird, because Sza isn't even with Columbia, she's with RCA. And to that you replied "but RCA is under Sony"  which is a ridiculous statement because Miley went from having no support on her career with RCA to finally having decent support with Columbia. And not to mention that SOS outstreams Midnights 3AM (both have a very similar amount of tracks with SOS having 23 and Midnights having 20)

 

Taylor Swift fans of all people coming up with conspiracy theories about labels doing payola has to be peak hipocrisy.

 

Miley did the same numbers with ESV than she did with PH if you take away Flowers, and that's with PH having a longer tracklist. There's nothing sus at all.

 

2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Harry’s House after 210 days + a month for As It Was

Midnights after 140 days 

 

Predicted days for 4B streams - 167 days 

 

Harry’s House's daily streams before Grammy boost (and while he was on tour) - 8,633,541 

 

 

More tracks = less average streams

If Midnights had only 13 songs, it would even have more streams per track but despite that, Midnights tracks still outperformed Harry’s House tracks. 

 

 

Conclusion - Midnights, an album 17 years into Taylor career STOMPED on every one of Harry’s albums just like The Eras Tour STOMPED on what Love On Tour did in 3 years, as i promised you months ago.

Welcome back 

the clock...harry styles really is a loser huh 

 

[4Real]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Harry’s House after 210 days + a month for As It Was

Midnights after 140 days 

 

Predicted days for 4B streams - 167 days 

 

Harry’s House's daily streams before Grammy boost (and while he was on tour) - 8,633,541 

 

 

More tracks = less average streams

If Midnights had only 13 songs, it would even have more streams per track but despite that, Midnights tracks still outperformed Harry’s House tracks. 

 

 

Conclusion - Midnights, an album 17 years into Taylor career STOMPED on every one of Harry’s albums just like The Eras Tour STOMPED on what Love On Tour did in 3 years, as i promised you months ago.

Welcome back 

Drag it

 

OT: these are truly bad numbers  i was expecting around 40m which is in line with most pop girl debuts nowadays but it looks like Flowers was kind of a fluke. As others have said, you can't autoplay an entire album 

[ariesgroove]

well that’s a shame but hopefully it can have legs!

[Badgalbriel]

31 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Flowers is bigger than Anti-Hero and Positions, that’s pretty undeniable  would like to see who *actually* claimed Miley is bigger than Taylor, not the songs.

Check the user Miley Cyrus threads

[starataneori]

the payola didnt kicked in

[Yawn]

13 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Miley got autoplay and TTH support plus she got radio play out the gate with Flowers, don't play dumb

And she's now getting full support for River, she's #1 on TTH with River and #7 with Flowers plus this on the radio...

 

The rollout for the music is perfect when it comes to label support. The rest is up to her management and herself. If she doesn't want to lift a finger it ain't Columbia's fault.

it’s not different than midnight sky. you don’t think that got TTH and early airplay..? it’s all standard treatment for any lead single from a big name. 

[Badgalbriel]

7 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Harry’s House after 210 days + a month for As It Was

Midnights after 140 days 

 

Predicted days for 4B streams - 167 days 

 

Harry’s House's daily streams before Grammy boost (and while he was on tour) - 8,633,541 

 

 

More tracks = less average streams

If Midnights had only 13 songs, it would even have more streams per track but despite that, Midnights tracks still outperformed Harry’s House tracks. 

 

 

Conclusion - Midnights, an album 17 years into Taylor's career STOMPED on every one of Harry’s albums just like The Eras Tour STOMPED on what Love On Tour did in 3 years, as i promised you months ago.

Welcome back 

@More Than A Melody thoughts? 

[Popboi.]

2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Check the user Miley Cyrus threads

So the receipt is a troll… I see 

[The Music Industry]

This is so strange to me Like how did Flowers smash so HARD so QUICKLY and yet there's zero interest for the rest of the album?

[More Than A Melody]

3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Harry’s House after 210 days + a month for As It Was

Midnights after 140 days 

 

Predicted days for 4B streams - 167 days 

 

Harry’s House's daily streams before Grammy boost (and while he was on tour) - 8,633,541 

 

 

More tracks = less average streams

If Midnights had only 13 songs, it would even have more streams per track but despite that, Midnights tracks still outperformed Harry’s House tracks. 

 

 

Conclusion - Midnights, an album 17 years into Taylor's career STOMPED on every one of Harry’s albums just like The Eras Tour STOMPED on what Love On Tour did in 3 years, as i promised you months ago.

Welcome back 

I have you on ignore for a reason, but since your ilk is making me see your replies

 

This was Midnights 3 AM March 9 2023, 20 tracks, released October 21 2022 

 

This was Harry's House March 8 2023, 13 tracks, released May 20 2022 (11 months ago)

As It Was is outstreaming Anti-Hero and Late Night Talking is outstreaming both Bejeweled and Lavender Haze.

Also... funny how you used a December stat for totals for Harry's House and a March stat for totals for Midnights. Let's use the updated one for Harry's House:

 

So 1B more streams, with 7 less tracks, and Midnights is only doing 1.8M streams more per day (once again, despite being released 6 months later and having 7 more tracks). And the gap in daily streams is lowering each day... so... is she ever gonna reach Harry's House streams? Maybe when she's on tour she can widen the gap! As it is now, it's gonna take her at least 556 days to surpass Harry's House total streams if the gap doesn't keep getting smaller lmfao.

 

Mind you, Taylor is the biggest pop star in the world, no doubt about it. Funny how this works, all I was pointing out was that Harry's numbers weren't "sus", I wasn't claiming he was bigger than Taylor. But you can't help yourself. You have to insert yourself in other people's conversations when you even perceive the slightest hint of criticism towards Taylor or her numbers (which this was noTTT).

[Mean Trees]

Not giving the Fever that people thought.  Kylie stands alone. She should be proud that Flowers did so well despite being so mid. The GP has zero taste when it comes to Miley because if they did, Midnight Sky would have been a smash.

[Lipgloss]

Omg . I thought this was gonna be her year. 

[SignificantOther]

4 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

I have you on ignore for a reason, but since your ilk is making me see your replies

 

This was Midnights 3 AM March 9 2023, 20 tracks, released October 21 2022 

 

This was Harry's House March 8 2023, 13 tracks, released May 20 2022 (11 months ago)

As It Was is outstreaming Anti-Hero and Late Night Talking is outstreaming both Bejeweled and Lavender Haze.

Also... funny how you used a December stat for totals for Harry's House and a March stat for totals for Midnights. Let's use the updated one for Harry's House:

 

So 1B more streams, with 7 less tracks, and Midnights is only doing 1.8M streams more per day (once again, despite being released 6 months later and having 7 more tracks). And the gap in daily streams is lowering each day... so... is she ever gonna reach Harry's House streams? Maybe when she's on tour she can widen the gap! As it is now, it's gonna take her at least 556 days to surpass Harry's House total streams if the gap doesn't keep getting smaller lmfao.

 

Mind you, Taylor is the biggest pop star in the world, no doubt about it. Funny how this works, all I was pointing out was that Harry's numbers weren't "sus", I wasn't claiming he was bigger than Taylor. But you can't help yourself. You have to insert yourself in other people's conversations when you even perceive the slightest hint of criticism towards Taylor or her numbers (which this was noTTT).

She's got the American market on lock, good for her, but in countries like the UK, Australia or New-Zealand Harry's House is already outselling Midnights on the charts. Sometimes Fine Line is too by the way. 

Edited March 11, 2023 by SignificantOther

[BloodLuster]

the album is pure garbage the rest are just excuses

[babyforlife]

Chile I was expecting 60M-80M because how huge Flowers is

 

well goodbye #1 debut

[Monster Queen]

1 minute ago, More Than A Melody said:

I have you on ignore for a reason, but since your ilk is making me see your replies

 

This was Midnights 3 AM March 9 2023, 20 tracks, released October 21 2022 

 

This was Harry's House March 8 2023, 13 tracks, released May 20 2022 (11 months ago)

As It Was is outstreaming Anti-Hero and Late Night Talking is outstreaming both Bejeweled and Lavender Haze.

Also... funny how you used a December stat for totals for Harry's House and a March stat for totals for Midnights. Let's use the updated one for Harry's House:

 

So 1B more streams, with 7 less tracks, and Midnights is only doing 1.8M streams more per day (once again, despite being released 6 months later and having 7 more tracks). And the gap in daily streams is lowering each day... so... is she ever gonna reach Harry's House streams? Maybe when she's on tour she can widen the gap! As it is now, it's gonna take her at least 556 days to surpass Harry's House total streams if the gap doesn't keep getting smaller lmfao.

 

Mind you, Taylor is the biggest pop star in the world, no doubt about it. Funny how this works, all I was pointing out was that Harry's numbers weren't "sus", I wasn't claiming he was bigger than Taylor. But you can't help yourself. You have to insert yourself in other people's conversations when you even perceive the slightest hint of criticism towards Taylor or her numbers (which this was noTTT).

Despite being released 6 months earlier Midnights has a higher position than Harry's house in IFPI year-end chart. Mind you you're the guy who insert both Harry and Taylor into a Myile album thread, your whole essay to attack Taylor is caused by one sentence posted by random user. this is so embarrassing like you really didn't think about yourself before typing this

[Monster Queen]

3 minutes ago, SignificantOther said:

She's got the American market on lock, good for her, but in countries like the UK, Australia or New-Zealand Harry's House is already outselling Midnights on the charts. Sometimes Fine Line is too by the way. 

So what? Midnights still hold a higher position than Harry's House on the IFPI year-end chart despite being released 6 months later and still outstreamed it every day, mind you its tour hasn't been started unlike Harry's world tour was already end

[Sazare]

The female Flo Rida

[Lament]

This thread turning into a "who's the bigger flop between Harry Styles and Taylor Swift?" when both of them are two of the biggest artists on Earth (and I don't even like them)…  Some members here are so ridiculous, it's crazy. Can't you just accept that several artists can smash at the same time without turning it into a fight?

As if doing 1B less than another artist was something to be ashamed of when their last album's total is over 4B already.

[More Than A Melody]

Just now, SignificantOther said:

She's got the American market on lock, good for her, but in countries like the UK, Australia or New-Zealand Harry's House is already outselling Midnights on the charts. Sometimes Fine Line is too by the way. 

She's incredibly bigger than Harry in America and Asia, I would never say otherwise. And of course, since America has most of the streaming market, she's gonna end up being bigger than him on that front as well. But it's getting annoying that they keep acting like Harry isn't one of the biggest popstars in the world right now.

 

They can't even take the #1 spot and go with their lives. They have to take the #1 spot and fight everyone else in the top 10, even if they're not a threat. It's giving massive insecurity issues. It's the reason they're all perched on this thread, Miley fans were acting like losers on twitter for sure, but it wasn't specifically towards Taylor (and their biggest rival was actually Ariana). To claim that everyone's numbers except Taylor's are sus is so... that's all I was pointing out, if Harry's numbers are sus and he's outstreaming Midnights Standard and closing the gap with Midnights 3 AM, then aren't by definition Midnights numbers sus as well? The answer is: none of these numbers are sus.

 

That was my point. But of course @Artistofthedecade sees the SLIGHTEST hint of criticism (even when it ISN'T criticism) and jumps the gun like someone is threatening to m*rder Taylor. It doesn't even matter the thread either, she'll just bring up Taylor's stats and fight whoever, no matter how unrelated to the topic it is. 

[Feanor]

5 minutes ago, Monster Queen said:

Despite being released 6 months earlier Midnights has a higher position than Harry's house in IFPI year-end chart. Mind you you're the guy who insert both Harry and Taylor into a Myile album thread, your whole essay to attack Taylor is caused by one sentence posted by random user. this is so embarrassing like you really didn't think about yourself before typing this

A sentence that didn't even mention Taylor or 'Midnights'. That user's chronic obsession with her is crazy