TheCal Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Welcome back @Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuki Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Sept said: To be fair, Melon is one of the rare charts in the world that totally eliminates fandom's power to manipulate the chart That's why Lim Young-woong won Artist of the Year and Album of the Year on Melon Music Awards last edition 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrgVisual Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: That's why Lim Young-woong won Artist of the Year and Album of the Year on Melon Music Awards last edition The Awards also factor in fan votes and judges' score + Digital sales (which is different from chart positions, like Spotify filtered vs unfiltered streams) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuki Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Sept said: The Awards also factor in fan votes and judges' score + Digital sales (which is different from chart positions, like Spotify filtered vs unfiltered streams) He was only behind BE'O in 'Artist of the Year' and the Top winner in 'Album of the Year' in predictions If you remove Votes and Judges, tho. So I have doubts about your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illia Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Welcome back sis @Mel. You were very missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrgVisual Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: He was only behind BE'O in 'Artist of the Year' and the Top winner in 'Album of the Year' in predictions If you remove Votes and Judges, tho. So I have doubts about your statement. Daily ULs (Unique Listeners): LYW: 175M IVE: 177M GI: 121M You can't blame that people are actually streaming LYW + he has more songs charting than the others LYW has a big fanbase, but he also has substantial GP support. There's a big difference between being around top 10 (LYW) vs N/A in top 100 (Stray Kidz) LYW is #5 on Gallup 2022 (on par with NJs) which means the GP actually aware and knows who he is Same can't be said about SKZ or any boygroups who can't manage to chart on Melon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Darkling said: I think it was probably his idea, he is convinced he wants to look sexy or whatever but I agree someone should have stopped that child, these fandoms are full of weirdos he just doesnt have the vernacular or maturity to serve that type of hip action choreography yet. I hope he's not doing stuff he isn't comfortable with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrgVisual Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Without Melon's charting system, Lim Young Woong would be #1 to #10 on Melon charts right now (look at what's happening in Genie and Flo) So yes, Melon's charting system is effectively eliminating or reducing fandom's power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Mitsuki said: Fr The concept itself is cringe. Imagine paying for someone you don't even know and have nothing to talk about to talk to you they get like 60 seconds "I LOVE YOU SO MUCH YOU CHANGED MY LIFE I'D HAVE SEWER SIDED IF I HADN'T HEARD S-CLASS YOU LOOK BEAUTIFUL CAN YOU GIVE ME AEYGO OKAY BYE" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mitsuki Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sept said: Daily ULs (Unique Listeners): LYW: 175M IVE: 177M GI: 121M You can't blame that people are actually streaming LYW + he has more songs charting than the others LYW has a big fanbase, but he also has substantial GP support. There's a big difference between being around top 10 (LYW) vs N/A in top 100 (Stray Kidz) LYW is #5 on Gallup 2022 (on par with NJs) which means the GP actually aware and knows who he is Same can't be said about SKZ or any boygroups who can't manage to chart on Melon But I've never said he is unknown, his fandom doesn't exist or is small. But It's a well known fact there's a strong fandom support to manipulate the charts that makes he chart higher, longer and having more cumulative streams and downloads that he would have only with organic digitals. And It's possible simple cause your statement that Melon totally eliminate fandom power's manipulation is incorrent. They might filter and make it harder than It was now, but so does most official charts in the world within their own rules. So I don't know what you tried to achieve with your shady comment here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odette Violet Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 hours ago, gigantopithecus said: We're doing beer generations now? Can't wait for the 5th gen beer leader to be announced This is only the beginning of Hurricane Karina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Darkling said: In this house we only stan SINGERS this was cute Ricky actually serving vocals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternium Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: But I've never said he is unknown, his fandom doesn't exist or is small. But It's a well known fact there's a strong fandom support to manipulate the charts that makes he chart higher, longer and having more cumulative streams and downloads that he would have only with organic digitals. And It's possible simple cause your statement that Melon totally eliminate fandom power's manipulation is incorrent. They might filter and make it harder than It was now, but so does most official charts in the world within their own rules. So I don't know what you tried to achieve with your shady comment here. I think what you girls are missing is that it is Circle who eliminates fan manipulation. Yes, male artist stans seem to be able to still manage to manipulate one or two weeks on the charts, but they invest a ton of money into it and it takes so many unique accounts and people that I don’t find it unfair in the slightest. I just wish Billboard would do the same, but they seem intent on including fraudulent streams. Like nobody in America believes Drake is an organic success at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dialamba Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: But I've never said he is unknown, his fandom doesn't exist or is small. But It's a well known fact there's a strong fandom support to manipulate the charts that makes he chart higher, longer and having more cumulative streams and downloads that he would have only with organic digitals. And It's possible simple cause your statement that Melon totally eliminate fandom power's manipulation is incorrent. They might filter and make it harder than It was now, but so does most official charts in the world within their own rules. So I don't know what you tried to achieve with your shady comment here. Melon filters the charts but only daily charts and 24hits charts not for melon top 100 but they can’t 100% every ULS if his fans stream every hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odette Violet Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Winning as group and as solos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuki Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Eternium said: I think what you girls are missing is that it is Circle who eliminates fan manipulation. Yes, male artist stans seem to be able to still manage to manipulate one or two weeks on the charts, but they invest a ton of money into it and it takes so many unique accounts and people that I don’t find it unfair in the slightest. I just wish Billboard would do the same, but they seem intent on including fraudulent streams. Like nobody in America believes Drake is an organic success at all. It's very hard to totally eliminate fradulence. Not only on MelOn, but everywhere. Billboard does "their best" to prevent fandom power's manipulation, maximizing Airplay's weight, weighted-down ad-supported streams to give more power to premium streams, minimized digital sales' weight, removed D2C etc). But they still can't filter Label Records' manipulation (playlisting, Discovery Mode, Airplay etc). Digital can't never be 100% organic anywhere. To be honest, I think the closer to an organic metric we have is Touring. And even this, Labels can manipulate - to a lesser extent, but can - covering up actual attendance reporting the amount of tickets sold were the tickets available to pretend It's 'sold out'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertiffany Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 the Jennie chanel style of dress it seems YG is pushing her to be the center now, it just means Ahyeon is kicked out and won't be back anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 adabana's impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 this still cracks me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illia Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, supertiffany said: it seems YG is pushing her to be the center now, Oh as they should 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted November 21, 2023 Author ATRL Administrator Share Posted November 21, 2023 Welcome back @Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertiffany Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, Flomik said: Oh as they should why u hate ahyeon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dialamba Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 the big3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illia Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, supertiffany said: why u hate ahyeon? I don't, I just like Ruka more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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