moxcy Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, ariesgroove said: oops we are on a ride! oh yes one of their best b-sides!
moxcy Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 22 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: “Red velvet flopped with weird music” You mean bad. Bad music. Meanwhile we are 1.5 days from NJ ending BTS. I'm so happy it's Ditto and not OMG
moxcy Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, WeFoundWill said: Biggest K-pop tour confirmed I think Where's miss Century who said BP can't compare in tour sales or something
k4rmabutterfly Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 2015 was such an iconic year for SNSD SM and the girls really had a point to prove and they did it flawlessly. Shame they didn’t do a world tour. Their stage presence was IT after some weak years.
Zack Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said: Not really comparable, since they lost popularity and sales when they cut down to 8 members. And Party and Lion Heart only stayed in the top 10 for 3 weeks, not 12 like Feel My Rhythm, so not really the same level of smashing. RV's sales also went up, not down in their 8th year
Witnessed ET Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, MusicFan98 said: How am I the one with "Selective criteria" I am just going by your logic, if TWICE's comeback was so awaited because it sold 1M then sure Ateez comeback was very very long awaited too, considering they are selling on par with TWICE Wtf are you even talking about at this point who said anything about Ateez and how are they even comparable to Twice these people are losing it I swear. Come back when you’ve gone and read your own post.
harrythevifan Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Sorecer said: I dont know what Weeekly company is thinking with that like is it really so hard to release the type of Apink songs since Apink sounds now is mature? Weeekly fits perfectly to what Apink was before and there's still a group that needs to fill that spot The sad part is eeek was the unopposed rookie of 2020 and went on to waste 3 years of their youth trying not to be what apink was 10 years previously. But I guess that's to be expected when the management that gave us the Fiestar debacle got the upperhand in the merger. Edited February 1, 2023 by harrythevifan
k4rmabutterfly Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Zack said: Not really comparable, since they lost popularity and sales when they cut down to 8 members. And Party and Lion Heart only stayed in the top 10 for 3 weeks, not 12 like Feel My Rhythm, so not really the same level of smashing. RV's sales also went up, not down in their 8th year I didn’t even mention Red Velvet. And nope their sales actually improved both digitally and physically from the Mr. Mr. era. The way you always have to lie to drag SNSD, embarrassing
jeanie Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) let's see how many flops and hits red velvet all these years Happiness- FLOP 7 weeks Be Natural- BOMB 1 week Automatic- BOMB 2 weeks Ice Cream Cake- DECENT HIT 17 weeks Dumb Dumb- NORMAL HIT 28 weeks One of These Nights- FLOP 5 weeks Russian Roulette- SMASH HIT 37 weeks Rookie- NORMAL HIT 28 weeks Red Flavor- SMASH HIT 64 weeks Peek-a-boo- NORMAL HIT 26 weeks Bad Boy- SMASH HIT 31 weeks Power Up- NORMAL HIT 21 weeks Really Bad Boy- FLOP 9 weeks Zimzalabim- FLOP 12 weeks Umpah Umpah- FLOP 10 weeks Psycho- SMASH HIT 50 weeks Queendom- NORMAL 28 weeks Feel My Rhythm- SMASH HIT 43 weeks *still counting Birthday- BOMB 3 weeks I'm just counting all the weeks they have charted on circle (previously gaon) and their totals would not make sense to compare since the point have been declining as years go by. Looking at these, there's only 8 RV singles that flop digitally, note that I'm only talking about their performance in Korean charts because if it's internationally, Bad Boy and Pyscho will be their smash hits. I'm not really worried that Birthday flopped digitally since it's been proven that red velvet can bounce back Edited February 1, 2023 by jeanie edited for added data
Zack Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said: I didn’t even mention Red Velvet. And nope their sales actually improved both digitally and physically from the Mr. Mr. era. The way you always have to lie to drag SNSD, embarrassing You responded to a post referencing Red Velvet, try to look back at what you're posting. As for SNSD, their sales after 2014 declined, despite the Korean market increasing. IGAB 320k > Mr. Mr. 175k > Lion Heart 165k. Mr. Mr. was a mini, LH a full album. Their sales on Oricon also fell down. There's nothing to "lie" about, these are the numbers. Conversely, RV has been giving Queendom 400k > FMR 700K > Birthday 1M, so I agree with the post you quoted... Edited February 1, 2023 by Zack
OrgVisual Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, jeanie said: let's see how many flops and hits red velvet all these years Happiness- DECENT HIT Be Natural- FLOP Automatic- FLOP Ice Cream Cake- NORMAL HIT Dumb Dumb- NORMAL HIT One of These Nights- FLOP Russian Roulette- NORMAL HIT Rookie- NORMAL HIT Red Flavor- SMASH HIT Peek-a-boo- NORMAL HIT Bad Boy- NORMAL HIT Power Up- SMASH HIT Really Bad Boy- FLOP Zimzalabim- FLOP Umpah Umpah- FLOP Psycho- SMASH HIT Queendom- DECENT HIT Feel My Rhythm- SMASH HIT Birthday- FLOP Looking at these, there's only 7 RV singles that flop digitally, note that I'm only talking about their performance in Korean charts because if it's internationally, Bad Boy and Pyscho will be their smash hits. I'm not worried that Birthday flopped digitally since it's proven that red velvet can bounce back How is Happiness a decent hit and Russian Roulette and Dumb Dumb are Normal hits? RR is their 2nd most successful single in Korea until Feel My Rhythm
k4rmabutterfly Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Zack said: You responded to a post referencing Red Velvet, try to look back at what you're posting. As for SNSD, their sales after 2014 declined, despite the Korean market increasing. IGAB 320k > Mr. Mr. 175k > Lion Heart 165k. Mr. Mr. was a mini, LH a full album. Their sales on Oricon also fell down. There's nothing to "lie" about, these are the numbers. Conversely, RV has been giving Queendom 400k > FMR 700K > Birthday 1M, so I agree with the post you quoted... I quoted the member because SNSD also had hits in their 8th year just like Wonder Girls and Apink. I didn’t compare them to Red Velvet’s career trajectory, idk why you’re doing it, they are from different generations and their careers are not similar at all. Lion Heart 165k > Holiday Night 178k > Forever 1 292k. So no, their popularity didn’t decline because they lost a member like you said. They were already declining in 2014 when Jessica was in, which is natural because it’s was their 7th year. Lion Heart was a bigger era than Mr. Mr. and so was Forever 1, Jaw made no impact sorry
Zack Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said: Lion Heart 165k > Holiday Night 178k > Forever 1 292k. So no, their popularity didn’t decline because they lost a member like you said. They were already declining in 2014 when Jessica was in, which is natural because it’s was their 7th year. Lion Heart was a bigger era than Mr. Mr. and so was Forever 1, Jaw made no impact sorry No, none of this disproves anything I said. Lion Heart (full album with 3 title tracks) 165k is less than Mr. Mr. (mini with 1 title track) 175k and the remaining sales quoted show their popularity never fully recovered or repeaked, despite your protestations. It plateaued in 2015-2017 following which they went on half a decade hiatus. I think we know there's not much more you've got to say, when you are forced to wheel out the same old "but Jaw..Jaw!!! Jaw!!!" response.
jeanie Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 38 minutes ago, Sept said: How is Happiness a decent hit and Russian Roulette and Dumb Dumb are Normal hits? RR is their 2nd most successful single in Korea until Feel My Rhythm now edited to add circle data
Eternium Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 31 minutes ago, Zack said: You responded to a post referencing Red Velvet, try to look back at what you're posting. As for SNSD, their sales after 2014 declined, despite the Korean market increasing. IGAB 320k > Mr. Mr. 175k > Lion Heart 165k. Mr. Mr. was a mini, LH a full album. Their sales on Oricon also fell down. There's nothing to "lie" about, these are the numbers. Conversely, RV has been giving Queendom 400k > FMR 700K > Birthday 1M, so I agree with the post you quoted... This is a terrible argument because SNSD didn’t have the entrance of China to the market nor did they have a ton of different versions to boost their sales. IGAB underperformed with 320k because it had 1 standard edition and 9 ridiculously limited versions. Mr. Mr. had only one version. Lion Heart, Holiday Night and Forever 1 each only had two versions. The entire market declined as Japanese and Chinese nationalism grew and they began to ban the sale of K-pop albums. Queendom had 3 versions. Feel My Rhythm had 3 versions. Birthday had 17 versions. 9 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said: Jaw made no impact sorry Let’s not lie to ourselves. And Jessica is a bigger asset in 2023 than she ever has been thanks to her massive popularity surge in China. Honestly, if SNSD launched in 2023 they would be doing 3M with how popular YoonA, Jessica and Taeyeon were in China
Rainy Devil Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Zack said: No, none of this disproves anything I said. Lion Heart (full album with 3 title tracks) 165k is less than Mr. Mr. (mini with 1 title track) 175k and the remaining sales quoted show their popularity never fully recovered or repeaked, despite your protestations. It plateaued in 2015-2017 following which they went on half a decade hiatus. I think we know there's not much more you've got to say, when you are forced to wheel out the same old "but Jaw..Jaw!!! Jaw!!!" response. Let's not act like 10k is that much of a difference. Besides, Lion Heart had more downloads than Mr. Mr. (even if it spent less weeks in the top 10). I do agree that Lion Heart was a better era than Mr. Mr. At the very least is on the same level (success wise). Also, SNSD were way past their peak/best years (2009-2011). Even IGAB, which did very good, was a decline from The Boys. The girls weren't going to reach a new peak, even if Jessica was still on the group imo.
ariesgroove Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, k4rmabutterfly said: 2015 was such an iconic year for SNSD SM and the girls really had a point to prove and they did it flawlessly. Shame they didn’t do a world tour. Their stage presence was IT after some weak years. jessica had just left, the bully allegations were rampant, they were saying 2ne1 won the come back home/mr mr war, sm was in the pits, they had ONE chance!!!
k4rmabutterfly Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, Zack said: No, none of this disproves anything I said. Lion Heart (full album with 3 title tracks) 165k is less than Mr. Mr. (mini with 1 title track) 175k and the remaining sales quoted show their popularity never fully recovered or repeaked, despite your protestations. It plateaued in 2015-2017 following which they went on half a decade hiatus. I think we know there's not much more you've got to say, when you are forced to wheel out the same old "but Jaw..Jaw!!! Jaw!!!" response. You’re so dumb omg, their popularity never recovered but Holiday Night and Forever 1 OUTSOLD Mr. Mr.? And Lion Heart and Forever 1 were bigger hits than Mr. Mr.? And during the Mr. Mr. era, Jawssica was STILL thereMake sense, make sense.
Rainy Devil Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 54 minutes ago, jeanie said: let's see how many flops and hits red velvet all these years Happiness- FLOP 7 weeks Be Natural- BOMB 1 week Automatic- BOMB 2 weeks Ice Cream Cake- DECENT HIT 17 weeks Dumb Dumb- NORMAL HIT 28 weeks One of These Nights- FLOP 5 weeks Russian Roulette- SMASH HIT 37 weeks Rookie- NORMAL HIT 28 weeks Red Flavor- SMASH HIT 64 weeks Peek-a-boo- NORMAL HIT 26 weeks Bad Boy- SMASH HIT 31 weeks Power Up- NORMAL HIT 21 weeks Really Bad Boy- FLOP 9 weeks Zimzalabim- FLOP 12 weeks Umpah Umpah- FLOP 10 weeks Psycho- SMASH HIT 50 weeks Queendom- NORMAL 28 weeks Feel My Rhythm- SMASH HIT 43 weeks *still counting Birthday- BOMB 3 weeks I'm just counting all the weeks they have charted on circle (previously gaon) and their totals would not make sense to compare since the point have been declining as years go by. Looking at these, there's only 7 RV singles that flop digitally, note that I'm only talking about their performance in Korean charts because if it's internationally, Bad Boy and Pyscho will be their smash hits. I'm not worried that Birthday flopped digitally since it's proven that red velvet can bounce back Tbh that is Red Velvet biggest strength(so far). Bouncing back. I really believed they were done (in the digital charts) during RBB-Zimzalabim-UU flopage. I think that was exactly 1 calendar year of back to back flops.
k4rmabutterfly Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, ariesgroove said: jessica had just left, the bully allegations were rampant, they were saying 2ne1 won the come back home/mr mr war, sm was in the pits, they had ONE chance!!! They didn’t have to serve their best and most difficult choreo at their 8th year but they did . CMIYC is such an underrated moment in Kpop, it would be MASSIVE if it was released after 2018.
Fanta Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Flomik said: NewJeans deserve all the payola tbh as long as they keep releasing quality I won't mind it at all payola only works if people actually like the media because other companies are using the same payola but not getting the same results. look at SM lmao.
jeanie Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, Rainy Devil said: Tbh that is Red Velvet biggest strength(so far). Bouncing back. I really believed they were done (in the digital charts) during RBB-Zimzalabim-UU flopage. I think that was exactly 1 calendar year of back to back flops. literally coz RBB was released November 2018 and Umpah was released August 2019 so 9 months of straight floppery thank god Psychosus saved us from the pits of hell in December
kendoll2001 Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 TXT officially playing the same stadium TWICE, Blackpink and Stray Kids played in LA, this May
Fanta Posted February 1, 2023 Posted February 1, 2023 3 hours ago, iconicyayo said: well, well, well! weren’t they supposed to free fall and disappear or something? this is interesting.
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