Gaia Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 Imagine a collab like this in 2019 with Taeyeon, Sunmi, and IU Sunmi really had a chance to be iconic but idk why her comebacks became so infrequent. Now she feels like a fad of 2017-2020
Adama Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, Gaia said: I think it's so hard to make it as a female soloist that they've been conditioned to view each other as competition. They can like each other, but to work together would help strengthen the other person's brand and I fully believe they've been trained to view that as a bad thing. I don't think it's the companies forbidding it Damn that’s really really sad! Like even Madge worked with Britney, same for Mariah and Whitney… Too much competition 7 minutes ago, BlackAura said: Is the Blackpink concert getting a livestream ??? No and Twitter is not working so idk if we can even get links
Gaia Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Adama said: Damn that’s really really sad! Like even Madge worked with Britney, same for Mariah and Whitney… Too much competition No and Twitter is not working so idk if we can even get links Yeah but I mean... can literally count on one hand successful female soloists who get multiple comebacks. Because you don't get guaranteed fanbases like males do, they have to actually be hits with the GP. Literally for female soloists in the last decade that have had any major impact and continued comebacks: IU Taeyeon Sunmi Hyuna Hwasa
Hazy Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 28 minutes ago, Eternium said: We don’t need to imagine. We watched Life Is Good‘s run on YouTube. We saw TiDAL faking hundreds of millions of streams. We know that people are faking streams left and right and it’s gotten to the point where Spotify themselves have joined an anti-fraudulence coalition. Blinks are literally faking streams for Money now (look at the massive filtering from Spotify official) and HYLT Dance Practice. Also, IFPI literally started equivalent units back in 2000 so not exactly sure what you’re trying to argue there. But if you really think a $10 album should be worth less in consumption than 20,000+ streams per device per day that nobody is listening to, well… an essay: Spoiler it’s not about the worth but popularity and success metric - one person can buy multiple copies of one album and it’s not filtered in Korea, so we don’t have any idea about the real popularity of kpop groups I know blinks are mass buyers too, like all big fandoms, but then you have other stats to back up BP’s status which are record breaking tour numbers and streaming numbers that can fit among main pop acts yes, lizards are mass streaming Money rn and that’s why you don’t see it on the chart, but then BP has multiple songs charting for weeks in the top 50 and topped that chart too - same goes for yt and both platforms have official charts and filter the numbers (most of the kpop acts have a lot of fake numbers under their mvs, but BP is not one of them as their stats there match the yt chart) - tell me how long did Spicy chart in the Spotify top200? two days? oh god, such an improvement from debuting and being out the next day like they did with Girls last year I’m not saying that to put aespa down, they just lack in that department but it’s nothing wrong and it’s the truth! I don’t need to live in denial of them being on top of the kpop world to enjoy their music, same way as I don’t need to pretend that BP is the most talented gg out there to support them and like their output you can agree or not but streaming is the main factor that determines popularity in 2023 and the most popular music consuming method rn majority of the people aren’t listening to their cds and even for the ones who do, it’s still not the main way of consuming music you want me to imagine that 2m people who bought aespa’s albums listen to it on their cd players and aren’t using any streaming platform? you’re not using any streaming platform? also SM acts are the only one who have big album sales but don’t appear on IFPI lists so it’s a bit fishy
Gaia Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Sorecer said: this is truly insane a full year It's funny how people were like "Poor MYs, Love Dive just came and took biggest 4th song from aespa! " only for NewJeans to come immediately after and stomp Love Dive and Next Level
Adama Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 On 7/1/2023 at 10:31 AM, Chemist said: 1 Jang Wonyoung (IVE) 2 Karina (Aespa) 3 Taeyeon (SNSD) 4 Kim Chaewon (LE SSERAFIM) 5 Jisoo (BLACKPINK) 6 Ahn Yujin (IVE) 7 Winter (Aespa) 8 Jennie (BLACKPINK) 9 Haerin (NewJeans) 10 Kazuha (LE SSERAFIM) 11 Nayeon (TWICE) 12 Leeseo (IVE) 13 Hong Eunchae (LE SSERAFIM) 14 Miyeon ((G)I-DLE) 15 Rosé (BLACKPINK) 16 Minji (NewJeans) 17 Arin (Oh My Girl) 18 Liz (IVE) 19 Huh Yunjin (LE SSERAFIM) 20 Haewon (NMIXX) Most searched female idols in Korea in first half of 2023. This should put the it-girl discussion to rest interesting to see so few newjeans but yeah they work more as an ensemble. At least at the moment taeyeon longevity is just so crazy to me. How is she higher than any BP Why they are reporting another list? Or your list was for the Yt searches ?
Gaia Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Adama said: Why they are reporting another list? Or your list was for the Yt searches ? Searches aren't always the complete best way to determine anything because there's so many platforms and some artists are strongly associated with their group e.g. Minji was low in search rank on Naver but if you looked up "NewJeans Minji" she was essentially the #1 female idol after NJ debut. So it's pretty hard to get an accurate ranking 1
Adama Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gaia said: Yeah but I mean... can literally count on one hand successful female soloists who get multiple comebacks. Because you don't get guaranteed fanbases like males do, they have to actually be hits with the GP. Literally for female soloists in the last decade that have had any major impact and continued comebacks: IU Taeyeon Sunmi Hyuna Hwasa Not you forgetting Chung ha ! 4 of these females soloists are from the 2nd gen! They are there for years now, if they don’t want to Collab at least they could do a special stage together…
xrosup Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Pluto2022 said: Not Felix accidentally touching Changbin's d!ck "Accidentaly" yeah right 4 hours ago, Pluto2022 said: Vocal: Seungmin Bang Chan Han Lee Know I.N Changbin Felix (+1) Hyunjin (-1) Rap: Changbin Han Hyunjin Bang Chan Felix Lee know Seungmin I.N Dance: Lee Know Hyunjin Felix Bang Chan Han Changbin Seungmin I.N Stage Presence: Lee Know (+2) Hyunjin (-1) Han (-1) Bang Chan Changbin Felix I.N Seungmin Producing and writing skills: Bang Chan Han Changbin Hyunjin Seungmin Felix I.N Lee Know Visual (according to Korean Beauty standards): Lee Know Felix Hyunjin I.N Han Seungmin Bang Chan Changbin Most all rounded/versatile members (combining everything): Han Bang Chan/Lee Know Lee know/Bang Chan Changbin Hyunjin Felix Seungmin I.N Any thots? @Save-Me-Oprah @Mitsuki @xrosup@discreetinside Vocal was fair, but I would put Han in second place ahead of Chan Rap also fair, but to me Han is the better rapper compared to Changbin Dance fair too, but I would put Chan in 6th place and bump Han and Changbin in the top 5. Lee Know is undeniable the best Stage presense Han is hands down the best at it. His face expressions are always on point and his dance and the way he exudes charisma, no one else in the group captures that in my opinion. Producing I agree Seungmin would be in fourth place but the rest I agree with 3racha are by far the most all-arounders in the group, they got a little bit of everything so Lino would be 4th to me
Harrier Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 Itzy song is bland with bad vocals, but i suppose its a blessing that its not an outright abomination ala sneakers. Truly they are the standout example of 'falling off' as group in the history of k-pop, both in terms of success and quality. I genuinely think they have not released a single good song since Wannabe 1
Pluto6 Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mitsuki said: I agree here from the most part. I think Han is more naturally vocally talented than Bang Chan, you can see when he projects his voice. But he ends up comminting more mistakes while singing due lack of trainning of how to use his strengths properly. Since he's more of a rapper, I suppose It's not really that important for him how It's for some members who hired a vocal coach apart from JYP (props to Seungmin and I.N, now Lee Know who said yesterday he's been working hard on his improvement) Han has the widest vocal range in the group, but his higher register is not developed at all compared to his lower range, which is why he can be off key when he sings those high notes live. He has the same problem as Yeji were they both can sound like they are screeching or basically screaming in your ear, when they sing in their higher register sometimes, which doesn't always sound pleasing. Bang Chan overall has a more heavy and well defined voice that's more "safe" compared to Han, like idk how to explain it? Though Bang Chan sometimes also sounds nasally as if he has something stuck between his nose and throat when he's singing with his head voice just like Jungwon from ENHYPEN. In a few years, I can see VocalRacha + Lee Knowles becoming the vocal trinity of the group due to all the extra vocal training they keep receiving and taking that extra step as you mentioned, by hiring their own private top vocal coaches outside of the ones in JYP. . 2 hours ago, Mitsuki said: I don't understand/care much about korean standards so I will just say my personal ranking is probably 1. Lee Know 2. Hyunjin 3. Bang Chan 4. Han 5. Felix 6. Seungmin 7. I.N 8. Changbin My personal visual ranking is: Lee Know Bang Chan Hyunjin Felix I.N Changbin Seungmin Han 2 hours ago, Mitsuki said: It's hard here, cause Stray Kids members performance skills as a group aren't homogeneous. So It's really depend on what you value the most when It comes to stage presence. Is It presenting a good technical dancing skill set? Then, yes, Lee Know would be #1. Is It commanding the stage and engaging with the audience to make them hyped? Then, 3RACHA absolutely slay on that departament. Is It the ability to play with your mannerisms, emotions, facial expressions/using body language while dancing as a form of tell a story? Then Hyunjin and Felix are really the best. I think being so different from each other on the stage is one of the things that makes them special and charismatic actually. Cause they can attract different type of tastes to stan the group. The thing about Lee Knowles is that he just has that extra groove compared to the other members, and his energy and technical skills is just unmatched which is why his fancams are so satisfying to watch. The other members can keep up with him in their performances most of the time, but that's also because he's holding himself back to not outshine the group, and making sure that the the whole group is shining together as one, which is basically his job as the dance/performance leader. Though sometimes he can't hold himself back, and has to let us know that he has 3 cats to feed as well! Edited July 2, 2023 by Pluto2022
MusicFan98 Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 Oh wow oh wow the live vocals, UKISS cmae back to show the newbies how to perfom. @Xalric and @harrythevifan are stanning I know it. 1
harrythevifan Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, MusicFan98 said: Oh wow oh wow the live vocals, UKISS cmae back to show the newbies how to perfom. @Xalric and @harrythevifan are stanning I know it. Truthfully, with UKiss and Kim Sungkyu and next week Teen Top going on the music shows, I'm waiting for Choshinsung to announce their comeback.
Mitsuki Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: Han has the widest vocal range in the group, but his higher register is not developed at all compared to his lower range, which is why he can be off key when he sings those high notes live. He has the same problem as Yeji were they both can sound like they are screeching or basically screaming in your ear, when they sing in their higher register sometimes, which doesn't always sound pleasing. Bang Chan overall has a more heavy and well defined voice that's more "safe" compared to Han, like idk how to explain it? Though Bang Chan sometimes also sounds nasally as if he has something stuck between his nose and throat when he's singing with his head voice just like Jungwon from ENHYPEN. In a few years, I can see VocalRacha + Lee Knowles becoming the vocal trinity of the group due to all the extra vocal training they keep receiving and taking that extra step as you mentioned, by hiring their own private top vocal coaches outside of the ones in JYP. . The thing is that, due to said position of having the widest vocal range of the group which, as you mentioned, is not well developted, It's given some questionable parts of Stray Kids songs for him to sing beyond what he can actually offer. What doesn't occur to Bang Chan, who often sing within his range and what his abilities are capable of. Han receives lead vocal treatment in songs' parts without the lead vocal treatment in terms of training/coaching, because his main role is an other. Anyway, Seungmin, I.N and Lee Know are the smartest paying someone apart for training them. There's something fishy about JYP's vocal preparation. 23 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: The thing about Lee Knowles is that he just has that extra groove compared to the other members, and his energy and technical skills is just unmatched which is why his fancams are so satisfying to watch. The other members can indeed keep up with him in their performances, but that's also because he's holding himself back to not outshine the group and make the the whole group shine together as one which is basically his biggest job as the dance/performance leader. Though sometimes he can't hold himself back, and he has to let us know that he has 3 cats to feed as well! Yes, I'm aware of his strengths. I know he's the best technical dancer of the group, faster learner, has the better body control and pays a lot of attention to details of choreography. When It comes to sell a choreography, Minho has it the best. So he's the best person to watch If you want to master one. But I personally think other members are better than him in other performance aspects I take into consideration to determine someone has stage presence. Such as remembering the audience is an important presence of a performance and engaging with them to help them feel the moment, like If they are also part of the stage. And also add tons of artistry through facial expressions/adlibs/ mannerisms/body language is also significative form to draw people's attention as you are able to sell your emotions through your dancing/interpretation. Not that he's unable to do such things, but there are other members better and that's totally okay.
Dialamba Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Gaia said: It's funny how people were like "Poor MYs, Love Dive just came and took biggest 4th song from aespa! " only for NewJeans to come immediately after and stomp Love Dive and Next Level At the end of the day LD still in the top 20. Eleven will be tomorrow the longest charting GG song
Dialamba Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Adama said: Why they are reporting another list? Or your list was for the Yt searches ? I’m sure the other one is about naver. Google is basically irrelevant in Korea. Only naver and YouTube matter tbh.
Pluto6 Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: But I personally think other members are better than him in other performance aspects I take into consideration to determine someone has stage presence. Such as remembering the audience is an important presence of a performance and engaging with them to help them feel the moment, like If they are also part of the stage. And also add tons of artistry through facial expressions/adlibs/ mannerisms/body language is also significative form to draw people's attention as you are able to sell your emotions through your dancing/interpretation. Not that he's unable to do such things, but there are other members better and that's totally okay. I honestly feel like he has exactly all those qualities that you just listed that he might lack, but then again this basically just shows how subjective stage presence is, and that it can't really be ranked. Like Momo is also my favorite performer in TWICE, and I kinda see some similarities between her and Lee Know in terms of stage presence, which shows I have a type Anyways SKZ have no deadweights and all members can perform and hold their own on stage Edited July 2, 2023 by Pluto2022
levi_valvi Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Gaia said: It's funny how people were like "Poor MYs, Love Dive just came and took biggest 4th song from aespa! " only for NewJeans to come immediately after and stomp Love Dive and Next Level Love Dive stomping on next level was still funny 3
levi_valvi Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 The anticipation for newjeans comeback is palpable 1
dlwlrma Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) Everytime this thread is talking about IU hating women bcs she block female artists You don't see her blocking male because they are never #1 What people want, she warn when she will release something? Wait, she did that with Lilac. Everyone in Korea knew the real date in 2020 already, the album was related with her birthday and she talked thousand of times about it. It was YG who delayed Rose debut. A good remind that she just released a surprise single one time Autumn Morning, and she blocked BTS who released in the same day yet I don't see armys aka the most deranged fanbase being like the girls here about feat, its not her problem overall these female singers don't like to do feats I have a theory a closed mindset about feat need to be about love, most of the time so a feat between 2 girls is very rare but not even girls like Hyuna and Jessi who sing about being hot are doing features Edited July 2, 2023 by dlwlrma 3
Pluto6 Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) Not everyone can be like HYO and Soyeon I fear, who said female empowerment Edited July 2, 2023 by Pluto2022
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