Hazy Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) Blackpink touring legends! Someone in here had a wet dream just a few days ago about them being irrelevant just for the girls snatching both BTS and GENERAL records! the highest grossing vocal group concert ever the highest grossing kpop concert ever the highest grossing concerts in Mexico ever Edited May 30, 2023 by Hazy
Hazy Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 ~164m from 40/62 dates, they really have a shot at snatching the biggest kpop tour ever https://twitter.com/touringdata/status/1663636462586273792?s=46&t=9NycPf_xxhtl_ctrMU1hJg 1
Happylittlepunk Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) Hello maybe you guys can explain? But does anyone else feel like sm groups/idols are being left behind in this new age of kpop? Kpop is bigger than ever but sales and streams are just not the same compared to other groups and it feels like SM despite its major hold during 2nd gen and first half of 3rd gen it feels like sm is being left behind? Are sm local to Asia only and are not making connections business wise in the west? Or is SM groups just not clicking with the gp compared to JyP and Hybe? SM groups is the main reason I got into kpop and it feels kinda sad I don’t really see any sm groups ruling the top 5 right now. Like I always felt groups like exo and red velvet truly could’ve been bigger if given the chance to truly florish. Edited May 30, 2023 by Happylittlepunk
illia Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said: Hello maybe you guys can explain? But does anyone else feel like sm groups/idols are being left behind in this new age of kpop? Kpop is bigger than ever but sales and streams are just not the same compared to other groups and it feels like SM despite its major hold during 2nd gen and first half of 3rd gen it feels like sm is being left behind? Are sm local to Asia only and are not making connections business wise in the west? Or is SM groups just not clicking with the gp compared to JyP and Hybe? They have connections but I think the reason why they're behind globally is simply due to their music which is much more niche and experimental compared with other companies Nowadays an average listener would prefer to listen to something more GP-friendly and simple like Cupid, OMG, Antifragile etc instead of more bold and experimental stuff SM does like Savage, Spicy, Next Level, most of NCT songs, recent Red Velvet title tracks etc Edited May 30, 2023 by Flomik
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said: Hello maybe you guys can explain? But does anyone else feel like sm groups/idols are being left behind in this new age of kpop? Kpop is bigger than ever but sales and streams are just not the same compared to other groups and it feels like SM despite its major hold during 2nd gen and first half of 3rd gen it feels like sm is being left behind? Are sm local to Asia only and are not making connections business wise in the west? Or is SM groups just not clicking with the gp compared to JyP and Hybe? SM groups is the main reason I got into kpop and it feels kinda sad I don’t really see any sm groups ruling the top 5 right now. Like I always felt groups like exo and red velvet truly could’ve been bigger if given the chance to truly florish. Aespa exists. SM is fine It’s true SM was the Top 1 company but since Kpop went global, they failed to capitalize on social media. Edited May 30, 2023 by Gorjesspazze9
Hazy Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Flomik said: They have connections but I think the reason why they're behind globally is simply due to their music which is much more niche and experimental compared with other companies Nowadays an average listener would prefer to listen to something more GP-friendly and simple like Cupid, OMG, Antifragile etc instead of more bold and experimental stuff SM does like Savage, Spicy, Next Level, most of NCT songs, Red Velvet etc I think they are just out of touch when it comes to the US promotion I mean, they have amazing mini this time, r&b infused and they are doing nothing to promote it abroad they went full out with the US promo with Life’s Too Short - they DEBUTED it at Coachella out of all the places that tells you a thing or two
Happylittlepunk Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Hazy said: I think they are just out of touch when it comes to the US promotion I mean, they have amazing mini this time, r&b infused and they are doing nothing to promote it abroad they went full out with the US promo with Life’s Too Short - they DEBUTED it at Coachella out of all the places that tells you a thing or two Honestly I always felt sm R&B infused kpop music truly makes them something special and connect with the gp to the west like exo, red velvet, and aespa can pull it off. Like you said it feels like SM isn’t doing enough or out of touch.
Zack Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Gorjesspazze9 said: Aespa exists. SM is fine I agree. aespa's latest era has had a #1 single, 2M album sales, sold out Japan arena tour plus upcoming Tokyo Dome dates. And they've just announced a further world tour which includes arena dates in the U.S. and Europe. Their last era had a top 3 album in the U.S. with #1 in pure sales upon release, so they are not exactly localized to Asia, plus their U.S. showcase event sold out and SM had to add a 2nd date. I don't get the U.S. release strategy this time for MY WORLD, but given the recent press announcement, it seems SM and Warner have a plan for them in America. They are pretty set. The true missed opportunities for SM in the U.S. are Red Velvet and EXO. 1
Hazy Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Happylittlepunk said: Honestly I always felt sm R&B infused kpop music truly makes them something special and connect with the gp to the west like exo, red velvet, and aespa can pull it off. Like you said it feels like SM isn’t doing enough or out of touch. I agree, I like some exo songs (I wasn’t really exposed to it), red velvet’s velvet tracks and aespa in general, but especially their more r&b and laid back songs
Gorjesspazze9 Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Zack said: I agree. aespa's latest era has had a #1 single, 2M album sales, sold out Japan arena tour plus upcoming Tokyo Dome dates. And they've just announced a further world tour which includes arena dates in the U.S. and Europe. Their last era had a top 3 album in the U.S. with #1 in pure sales upon release, so they are not exactly localized to Asia, plus their U.S. showcase event sold out and SM had to add a 2nd date. I don't get the U.S. release strategy this time for MY WORLD, but given the recent press announcement, it seems SM and Warner have a plan for them in America. They are pretty set. The true missed opportunities for SM in the U.S. are Red Velvet and EXO. Yeah, RV Bad boy and psycho would have been great mainstream crossover hits. EXO 2015 to now should be there Imperial Phase era. SM fumbled the Bag
Zack Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Gorjesspazze9 said: Yeah, RV Bad boy and psycho would have been great mainstream crossover hits. EXO 2015 to now should be there Imperial Phase era. SM fumbled the Bag Yeah they really did fumble the bag. It's so odd to me how RV never even had U.S. distribution (even EXO had that at one point) so it's just super weird, considering they have been SM's top performing girl group on global streaming and other good stats overseas and labels publicly wanted to work with them. Looks like they've fixed that mistake with aespa. But SM really needs to work a bit closer with the western labels to understand the western markets more. It was clear with their attempts with BoA, SNSD and later NCT 127 that they didn't really get it. They also really forced it with SuperM.
Mitsuki Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 SM failed to capitalize on EXO's popularity on Japan, let alone go further and expecting good western promotions and exposure.
Rhythm Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: SM failed to capitalize on EXO's popularity on Japan, let alone go further and expecting good western promotions and exposure. Which is completely bizarre to me, considering how methodical and precise they were in their strategies for TVXQ, SNSD, and SHINee. I remember how insane people thought SM was for pulling SHINee out of Korea for 2 years to assemble their Japanese fanbase, which worked out impeccably for them in the end.
Rhythm Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 3 hours ago, WeFoundWill said: Wait at My World not charting on the BB 200???? It hasn’t even been released in the US yet.
Hitchhiker Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 SM is definitely behind when it comes to global power currently aespa is here and they are doing great, but when HYBE has BTS and everyone else, JYP has SKZ & Twice, and YG has BP alone, SM definitely fares way below which they brought on themselves so whatever. Maybe that new gg will be able to stand next aespa and SM rises again
Hitchhiker Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: SM failed to capitalize on EXO's popularity on Japan, let alone go further and expecting good western promotions and exposure. Ah yes the memories of the Japanese album(ONE) which consisted of 75% of released songs from years ago.
Mitsuki Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rhythm said: Which is completely bizarre to me, considering how methodical and precise they were in their strategies for TVXQ, SNSD, and SHINee. I remember how insane people thought SM was for pulling SHINee out of Korea for 2 years to assemble their Japanese fanbase, which worked out impeccably for them in the end. I think SM got too confident with the fact EXO was a phenomenon on the rest of Asia, especially Korea and China, and thought an effort on the japanese market wasn't needed more than a touring stop. 3 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said: Ah yes the memories of the Japanese album(ONE) which consisted of 75% of released songs from years ago. I have so many complains. Their first mistake was taking 2 years to debut them on Japan with a Love Me Right's japanese version after Growl went viral and they sold over 150k with XOXO, an imported chinese-korean album. Then, more one year to release their first original japanese single, then more one year to finally release an japanese album (which, as you mentioned, were basically a compilation of 3 years old songs). And they went to japan to promote on TV for first time on their 6th year. It was bizarre to follow EXO year by year and watching their sales decreasing on Japan, while growing everywhere else, because SM ignored their popularity on such an important market. 1
Hitchhiker Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 When you think about how SM screwed over EXO it just amazes you, supposed to focus on KR-CH markets but - They were barely anywhere after 2017 as a group in SK - Haven’t released a song in Cantonese since 2018 and that being one song off of DMUMT -> Tempo - Released their first and last Japanese album in 2018 with it being filled with songs from years and KR song remake, 2 show promos (???) and then nothing since then. - A bizarre stunt of KaiBaek being in superm that barely got EXO anywhere in the west, they charted and sold less (I believe)!worse than they did before ?? Just carelessness after carelessness 1
cloudbusting Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 46 minutes ago, Zack said: It was clear with their attempts with BoA, SNSD and later NCT 127 that they didn't really get it idk they were kinda spot on doing mother BoA’s promo at gay clubs
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted May 30, 2023 Author ATRL Administrator Posted May 30, 2023 Wow. Look at all the people seeing XG
BigBangStan Posted May 30, 2023 Posted May 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said: SM is definitely behind when it comes to global power currently aespa is here and they are doing great, but when HYBE has BTS and everyone else, JYP has SKZ & Twice, and YG has BP alone, SM definitely fares way below which they brought on themselves so whatever. Maybe that new gg will be able to stand next aespa and SM rises again They are relying too much on their legacy, they need to start debuting new groups, they only have one Gen 4 group.
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