Headlock Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BGXKB said: No the way you’ve tried to use my own words against me to shut me down is truly disturbing. Then don't say those words in the first place? 4 minutes ago, BGXKB said: Just leave me alone and stop worrying about what I do. Love how many people you’ve agreed with who said the exact same thing I did. It's ALMOST as if I never disagreed with one line in the song being homophobic, but with you flying off into the stratosphere to talk about the world history of LGBT rights You literally tried to call me homophobic You're making a fool out of yourself. Edited April 25, 2022 by Headlock
BGXKB Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Katamari said: Everything I said was absolutely true Grimes and you should educate yourself and your decrepit boyfriend about it.
Ms. Togekiss Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 11 hours ago, Janet said: All these girlies doing lgbt ally just for clout ddd Quote lady gaga ﹒ madonna ﹒ Mariah﹒ nicki ﹒ lana janet ﹒ britney ﹒ bey ﹒ ariana ﹒ blackpink kylie ﹒florence ﹒ azealia ﹒ sophie ﹒ sade ddd indeed
What_A_Mess Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 I’m gay but I still prefer the gay version. I hope she rerecords the gay version instead of the sjw version, or both so people will have a choice. Can someone please start a thread on which version they prefer and send it to Taylor’s team
Headlock Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, BGXKB said: And what do you want from me? You just keep going around in circles about the same thing that I’ve explained multiple times before. This is the most perfect example of projection I have ever seen outside of a psychology textbook
Karla Cabello Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 12 hours ago, SashaDevachelli said: You can take a girl out of Tennessee but you can’t take the Tennessee out of the girl shes from philadelphia
Bosque Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Digitalism said: Exactly imagine the suicidal 13 year old gay boys listening to this and how good they must have felt because she wrote it when she was 13 and not as adult. It changes everything Yeah sorry but given the fact that rap music exists and is available to anyone with a Spotify account, I just can't take this pearl clutching over this line seriously at all.
Bosque Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 Overall I'm sorry to say that the lyric is really innocuous (especially given its context of being recorded over 15 years ago by a very young songwriter), so I just can't take seriously the performative outrage from a group of people who constantly use "straight" as a value judgment
Lille Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 Homophobia makes some points during the 3 minutes this song plays.
ATRL Moderator feelslikeadream Posted April 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted April 25, 2022 13 hours ago, Taylucifer said: she should’ve used f****t instead of just “gay” tbh This tea. When I sing along I go, "That's fine, I'll tell mine you're a faaaa**"
Daddy Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 Very on brand (talking about her OG brand, not the queer eye-d facade to get those corporate pride dollars)
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted April 25, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted April 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Seiko Oomori said: pls, i find the line very funny and humorous but let's not be in denial here or deflect the lyric is homophobic, like no other way to cut it, it's a homophobic joke. as a retort to a disparaging thing her man might tell other people about her, she equated telling people her ex-bf was gay as being just as bad. therefore, her equating people publicly viewing her man as gay as being emasculating and humiliating. it was a different time, she was young, and this was a prevailing view among young people then which makes me consider it at like, the bottom of the barrel as far as homophobic statements go, but it's still HOMOPHOBIC, like no other way to put it. comprende now sis ? Of course I comprendo. I was there LFO did the joke way better in 2001. My point is that the lyric itself is not explicitly homophobic, because at this point, you’re literally having to bring your own values to it to make the argument. You could just easily interpret it as her telling everyone that they broke up because he was gay as a self-defense against them assuming it was due to something wrong about her. Either way, she’s just as much the butt of the line as he is. I just can’t get upset about it.
1989 Posted April 25, 2022 Posted April 25, 2022 Not a nearly 10 page thread about this old ass song. Is the line offensive? Well yes, by nature it is, but Taylor was 13 when she wrote it. Obviously by the time the album was released she learned and grew as a person (you know, like most people should) because the original version of the album with this line was sold for less than a year. By 2007 it wasn’t available anywhere. Meanwhile, it’s 2022 and there’s still actual, dangerous homophobia existing in the world. I get this is a pop forum, but a line written by a pop star when she was 13 and later changed by the time she was 16/17 is not hurting us.
NausAllien Posted April 26, 2022 Posted April 26, 2022 This has been known for some years now. The OG version of Picture to Burn had some homophobic lyrics, but Taylor has denounced them and tried to get rid of every single copy of that homophobic past of hers.
DirtyPony87 Posted April 26, 2022 Posted April 26, 2022 Lmaoooo this is messy and tone-deaf, but not homophobic. It’s completely innocuous at this point, especially given the time this was released, the genre, the age of the artist at the time, and other factors. There’s girls releasing songs in their mid-20’s or in the 2020’s saying saying worse stuff than this about gays, or even middle-aged women saying extremely tone-deaf and demeaning things about gay men. Let’s talk about THAT instead!
awesomepossum Posted April 26, 2022 Posted April 26, 2022 This is so sexist. Don't you know Taylor is a feminist? If you don't buy her album it's sexist. You wouldn't say that if she was a man.
awesomepossum Posted April 26, 2022 Posted April 26, 2022 2 hours ago, 1989 said: Not a nearly 10 page thread about this old ass song. Is the line offensive? Well yes, by nature it is, but Taylor was 13 when she wrote it. Obviously by the time the album was released she learned and grew as a person (you know, like most people should) because the original version of the album with this line was sold for less than a year. By 2007 it wasn’t available anywhere. Meanwhile, it’s 2022 and there’s still actual, dangerous homophobia existing in the world. I get this is a pop forum, but a line written by a pop star when she was 13 and later changed by the time she was 16/17 is not hurting us. She wasn't 13 when she wrote it.
anklebiterrs Posted April 26, 2022 Posted April 26, 2022 I don't even think she was using gay as an insult here? She probably meant that by telling her friend he's gay no one would want to date him? It's still a stupid sentiment but I never really read it as homophobic. OT: LOCK HER UP
TeemoR Posted April 26, 2022 Posted April 26, 2022 Just shows how PR'd her current image is. She is still just a typical, white Republican girl.
hungrymuffin Posted April 26, 2022 Posted April 26, 2022 the fact there are 9 pages on this innocuous line but you dont see such involvement in those threads with real issues from those "woke" stans truly embarrassing for them
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