base talk What's your opinion on trans women participating in women sports

[brazil]

With all the discussions involving Lia Thomas, it be interesting to see yall opinions on this.

[Kylizzle]

It needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Anyone saying all trans women should be allowed is delusional 

 

[Into The Void]

I think its a complex issue

[BionicWooHoo]

They should all be allowed 

[HANZ94]

They have an advantage over cis women and those who deny it are delusional Lmao 

 

we should have different categories, that’s fair for everyone 

[Death On Two Legs]

Trans women are biologically born male - giving them an unfair advantage. It isn’t fair at all.

 

 

 

 

[Dula Peep]

I’m gae and I hate sports so I don’t care 

 

now Drag Race…. 

[Gigii]

I think the transition period should have started a certain amount of years before. In Lia THOMAS case, I think it’s too soon for her to compete after only one year of hormones. But also there is currently state level govts attempting to stop young adults from starting hormones too early. 
 

There are biologically born women that aren’t allowed to compete in Olympics due to their high estrogen levels. 

[Achilles.]

Transwomen are women and should not be excluded from any women’s spaces. 
 

[PoisonPill]

22 minutes ago, Insanity said:

I think its a complex issue

This. Anyone who thinks there’s a simple, obvious answer isnt thinking critically. 

[aesthetic bih]

28 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

As someone who is neither a cis woman, nor a trans woman and definitely doesn't have any understanding of competitive sports, I don't think my opinion matters 

This. But hopefully they find a way to compromise on this without prejudicing cis women nor discriminating trans women

[Gigii]

To sum up my generally idea, trans women should be able to compete but this Lia Thomas case is on the extreme end of that scale. 

[worldwide angel]

7 minutes ago, Achilles. said:

Transwomen are women and should not be excluded from any women’s spaces. 
 

 

 

the way if this narrative was true then trans women would exponentially perform better than cis women in sports

 

 the media sensationalizes this mess to further transphobic attitudes

[Ferret]

34 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

As someone who is neither a cis woman, nor a trans woman and definitely doesn't have any understanding of competitive sports, I don't think my opinion matters 

 What a whack response … as a person you may have an opinion over things that are not related to you and still be valid. 

[GraceRandolph]

I think they should be allowed to compete. Sports aren’t that serious. 

[brazil]

51 minutes ago, Kylizzle said:

It needs to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Anyone saying all trans women should be allowed is delusional 

 

Yeah, certain sports like golf, I don't think it would make much of a difference if the trans woman is taking hormones, but some sports like swimming where the body anatomy can make all the difference is harder to tell.

[byzantium]

I find it really interesting that people all of a sudden care about women's sports when it can be used to exclude people.  

Trans women should be allowed to compete in women's sports.

1) I have not seen definitive evidence that the majority of trans women really have any advantage.  
2) Even if they on average have some advance, it would only be slight.  They would still need to be extremely good athletes to even stand a chance against cis woman athletes. 
3)  Even if they are extremely good athlete, the purpose of sports is to give people an opportunity to build camaraderie and leadership experience.  Trans women should not be denied this opportunity.  

[GraceRandolph]

Just now, MaoMars said:

profesional athlete dedicate their whole lives to the sport so I think it's THAT serious to them

Ok? It’s really not a thing I care about at all.

[byzantium]

4 minutes ago, brazil said:

Yeah, certain sports like golf, I don't think it would make much of a difference if the trans woman is taking hormones, but some sports like swimming where the body anatomy can make all the difference is harder to tell.

Should we really be disqualifying women based on body anatomy though?  Like should any women over 6 ft be disqualified from playing basketball because of an unfair advantage? 

[awong918]

I think it's a complex issue that can't be answered with a simple yes or no

[hardbrit]

The trans women are breaking ALL the records established before them.... Isn't that suspicious?

[brazil]

10 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Should we really be disqualifying women based on body anatomy though?  Like should any women over 6 ft be disqualified from playing basketball because of an unfair advantage? 

Well, height is part of the story, there is lung capacity and so many other things. Didnt Lia Thomas place 260 among male swimers vs. Top 5 among female swimers. 

[byzantium]

5 minutes ago, MaoMars said:

I don't think that's a good comparison. Women don't get the same hormonal discharge through puberty or have the same bone density and it doesn't matter if they are taller or shorter, because they are usually on the same parameter for those indicatives. 

I mean for this to even have merit, you would need to prove that such differences are maintained post conversion. 

And then even still, you need to answer if that is meaningful.  

[Digitalism]

If the transition was made before or during puberty it's ok 

If you think there's no difference after that period you're delusional

[brazil]

Just now, Digitalism said:

If the transition was made before or during puberty it's ok 

If you think there's no difference after that period you're delusional

Nobody should transition before puberty tbh