Genius1111 Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-14/china-s-new-covid-approach-is-to-let-it-rip-healthcare-analyst-says China says "Yes" to the let it rip approach. Well, those in China who have been clamoring for the loosening in restrictions, I hope you are able to protect the elderly and immunocompromised. https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/RWoP4an5XRSjDrmM108vcQ (In Chinese, you will need to translate it yourself using an online tool.) In Shanghai, online lessons for all except those in the 3rd year or middle school (Grade 9) or the 3rd year of high school (Grade 12) or parents who really cannot look after their kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-12-16/china-s-post-covid-zero-era-leaves-nothing-reliable https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/let-it-rip-china-s-new-approach-to-overcome-coronavirus-cases-122121500029_1.html What's to come in mainland China... 5 million hospitalizations and possibly 700 000 - 1 million deaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 Observations of mask wearing in different countries Dublin, Ireland In the airport, no more than 2% On the streets, no more than 1% London, UK In the airport, probably 3%-5% On the streets, at best 3% Half the people wearing are non-white Canary Islands, Spain Mask mandate is still in effect on public transport and pharamcies. But other than that, no more than 1% when you step out further from those places Indonesia Very high % in the capital, but no more than 5% in the rural areas / small towns. I shall assume that there are more law enforcers in the capital, resulting in higher compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) https://uk.news.yahoo.com/beijing-crematoriums-strain-under-china-082939092.html Basically the same crap that Hong Kong had to endure 9 months ago. In the mainland, there had been less than 10 COVID deaths in a month. Lunar New Year starts in 6 weeks and people will be returning back to their rural hometowns soon. Good luck to everyone in the rural areas, especially the healthcare workers. Jan 2023 will be like Jan 2020, only that multiple provinces will be experiencing crap like Hubei. For the elderly in China who wilfully not wish to get vaccinated, well, it may too late to regret now. Edited December 17, 2022 by Genius1111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamil24 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Happy for the Chinese to finally join the rest of the world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Genius1111 said: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-14/china-s-new-covid-approach-is-to-let-it-rip-healthcare-analyst-says China says "Yes" to the let it rip approach. Well, those in China who have been clamoring for the loosening in restrictions, I hope you are able to protect the elderly and immunocompromised. https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/RWoP4an5XRSjDrmM108vcQ (In Chinese, you will need to translate it yourself using an online tool.) In Shanghai, online lessons for all except those in the 3rd year or middle school (Grade 9) or the 3rd year of high school (Grade 12) or parents who really cannot look after their kids. Western Analysts: "China is letting it rip!!!" Chinese.Media: *reports that fast majority of education will continue online for the moment* Feels like we should maybe stop posting Western sources about China when they're 98% of the time wrong cause all it will do is create a feedback loop for far-rightists in the West to celebrate a fantasy they've invented in their head about China. *see post above this* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameX Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 What's happening with China? What's with the sudden surge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamil24 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 7 hours ago, MadameX said: What's happening with China? What's with the sudden surge? Just going through what the rest of the world did in December 2021-January 2022 since they loosened restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katara Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/17/2022 at 10:53 PM, Communion said: Western Analysts: "China is letting it rip!!!" Chinese.Media: *reports that fast majority of education will continue online for the moment* Feels like we should maybe stop posting Western sources about China when they're 98% of the time wrong cause all it will do is create a feedback loop for far-rightists in the West to celebrate a fantasy they've invented in their head about China. *see post above this* Yeah because China is known to be very truthful about the things they report so let's just trust everything they say without questioning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, katara said: Yeah because China is known to be very truthful about the things they report so let's just trust everything they say without questioning Shanghai Media: *report the local government announcing policy of online education being put back in place due to the winter infection season* People in Shanghai: *post at length their reactions to this policy about how they feel with doing online education (with most supporting the policy out of fear of COVID)* What part of this is untrue to you? Do you think all Shanghai citizens are forced to lie on social media? These contrarian, conspiratorial stances really serve no purpose. If you don't like Chinese people, just say it. You can't meaningful discuss China's handling of COVID if all you have to contribute is some weird anti-China obsession. You can't claim "China is oppressing people with lockdown policies!!!" to then making the argument "no, China is lying when saying they're continuing specific policies! Don't believe". Like huh? Either you see the incoherence or you're trolling. Like how either people have common sense and see the inaccuracy of Western reporting or they just support such propaganda and encourage it be spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 https://www.asiaone.com/china/world-fears-new-china-covid-19-wave-ponders-how-help-xi-jinping?amp World fears a new China Covid-19 wave, ponders how to help Xi Jinping "China's vaccine nationalism is deeply tied to Xi's pride, and accepting Western assistance would not only embarrass Xi, it would also pierce his oft-propagandized narrative that China's governance model is superior," said Craig Singleton, deputy director of the China program at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. European and US officials are conducting careful behind-the-scenes talks with Chinese counterparts, while issuing deliberately worded public statements intended to make clear that the ball is in Beijing's court. ... China-exposed luxury firms such as France-based LVMH and industrial indices have traded down recently on Covid-19 concerns, and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell signaled his worries last week. “China faces a very challenging system in reopening,” Powell said, adding that its manufacturing, exporting and supply chain remain critical. "It’s a risky situation." Health experts outside China despair that it may be too late to stave off a tragedy. "What do you do for a Category Five hurricane when it's an hour and a half offshore? If you haven't done it by now, it's too late," said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. "This pandemic is just going to blow through (China) in the next weeks," he said. “It's unfortunate they didn't think about this six or 10 months ago. They could have bought themselves time to be in a better position.” More than 160 million people in China are believed to have diabetes, and there are eight million unvaccinated Chinese over age 80, Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations said. Those are risk factors for severe Covid-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-s-covid-19-outbreak-has-us-worried-about-new-variants China’s Covid-19 outbreak has US worried about new variants Inch-resting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 https://www.asiaone.com/china/i-dont-trust-it-vaccine-hesitancy-lingers-even-china-covid-19-cases-surge Candice is part of a group that demonstrates how vaccine hesitancy still runs deep in mainland China, academics say, which poses a growing headache for Beijing as it tries to persuade more to get vaccinated in the face of a spike in infections after the lifting of strict anti-Covid-19 measures. ... "People need to realise what the risks are and how beneficial the vaccines are — it took time for Hong Kong citizens and the elderly to realise this as well." .. In late November, the hashtag 'Sinovac vaccine counterfeit' surged to five million views on the Twitter-like Weibo platform, with many posts discussing lumps and hair loss allegedly caused by the locally made vaccine. "At least a half of doctors and educated people wanted to get the mRNA ones and refused to get the Chinese ones," Lei said. "After a while, people see no hope and also they are kind of forced to get the Chinese ones, so they had to accept it. Some doctors talked to me, and said it's useless anyway, why waste the money." Lei said many of her friends are looking to visit the neighbouring Chinese territory of Macau, where mainlanders can receive mRNA vaccines. Demand has surged in recent weeks, visitors to Macau say, with the online booking platform for vaccination showing no bookings available until Jan 21. But after jettisoning some of the world's toughest anti-Covid-19 curbs last week, China is now experiencing a wave of infections across the country, prompting some unable to travel to Macau or abroad to opt for the Chinese vaccines in desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TROPICUM Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Girl... if only China had opened up like the rest of the world COVID would've become a stationary sickness much quicker. Now we gotta deal with them and whatever variants they produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/hong-kong-covid-19-drop-test-bars-entertainment-venues-cinema-full-capacity-dec-22-3156971 People in Hong Kong will from Thursday (Dec 22) no longer need to show a negative COVID-19 test to get into bars and restaurants, while cinemas and performing venues will be allowed to operate at full capacity, health authorities said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genius1111 Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 China’s improbably low coronavirus death toll has become an object of ridicule and anger for many within the country, who say it does not capture the true scale of grief and loss caused by surging infections. Health authorities reported only five covid-related deaths on Tuesday and two the day before, all of which were in Beijing. Both numbers were met with a wave of disbelief on microblog Weibo. “How come people only die in Beijing? What about the rest of the country?” one user wrote… …The State Council, China’s cabinet, in early December issued updated guidance on the classification and reporting of covid-related deaths. The details of the rules were not made public, but the respected Chinese publication Caixin on Saturday reported that the new procedure requires a ruling made at a hospital and within 24 hours. Deaths considered not directly caused by covid don’t count. It also raised the threshold for considering an individual to have covid. A patient must be found to have severe hypoxemia or a below 93 percent arterial oxygen saturation level, both of which would suggest the individual was severely starved of oxygen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genius1111 Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinese-cities-reveal-covid-19-cases-that-far-exceed-national-tally Nearly 37 million infected in a sibgle day. I- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinas-national-health-commission-to-stop-publishing-daily-covid-19-figures From being very meticulous one month ago to NGAF now. I- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 On 12/21/2022 at 4:16 AM, Genius1111 said: https://www.asiaone.com/china/i-dont-trust-it-vaccine-hesitancy-lingers-even-china-covid-19-cases-surge Candice is part of a group that demonstrates how vaccine hesitancy still runs deep in mainland China, academics say, which poses a growing headache for Beijing as it tries to persuade more to get vaccinated in the face of a spike in infections after the lifting of strict anti-Covid-19 measures. ... "People need to realise what the risks are and how beneficial the vaccines are — it took time for Hong Kong citizens and the elderly to realise this as well." .. In late November, the hashtag 'Sinovac vaccine counterfeit' surged to five million views on the Twitter-like Weibo platform, with many posts discussing lumps and hair loss allegedly caused by the locally made vaccine. "At least a half of doctors and educated people wanted to get the mRNA ones and refused to get the Chinese ones," Lei said. "After a while, people see no hope and also they are kind of forced to get the Chinese ones, so they had to accept it. Some doctors talked to me, and said it's useless anyway, why waste the money." Lei said many of her friends are looking to visit the neighbouring Chinese territory of Macau, where mainlanders can receive mRNA vaccines. Demand has surged in recent weeks, visitors to Macau say, with the online booking platform for vaccination showing no bookings available until Jan 21. But after jettisoning some of the world's toughest anti-Covid-19 curbs last week, China is now experiencing a wave of infections across the country, prompting some unable to travel to Macau or abroad to opt for the Chinese vaccines in desperation. I really don’t understand why China hasn’t approved MRNA vaccines. There’s no scientific justification and they bought the rights to Pfizer already. - Given that over 248 million people have been estimated to be infected from December 1 to December 20 alone, it seems a matter of time before China fully re-opens. China was the last Covid stronghold and one of the only countries to still have travel restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 https://www.dw.com/en/covid-german-politician-urges-halt-to-china-flights/a-64197454 Germany's CDU politican asking for the halting of flights from China. Sigh, it has really gone a full circle after 3 years. 7 minutes ago, Robert said: I really don’t understand why China hasn’t approved MRNA vaccines. There’s no scientific justification and they bought the rights to Pfizer already. - Given that over 248 million people have been estimated to be infected from December 1 to December 20 alone, it seems a matter of time before China fully re-opens. China was the last Covid stronghold and one of the only countries to still have travel restrictions. I guess it is a mix of nationalistic pride in the ruling class as well as a desire to not be too reliant on the West. The latter is understandable, though unsurprisingly, mainlanders were making their way to HK and Macau to get their Pfizer vaccines. 248 million infected in 20 days... The way China would have snatched the crown back from the US for the greatest number of cases (and deaths) if they had been properly accounted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 https://www.dw.com/en/covid-german-politician-urges-halt-to-china-flights/a-64197454 Germany's CDU politican asking for the halting of flights from China. Sigh, it has really gone a full circle after 3 years. 7 minutes ago, Robert said: I really don’t understand why China hasn’t approved MRNA vaccines. There’s no scientific justification and they bought the rights to Pfizer already. - Given that over 248 million people have been estimated to be infected from December 1 to December 20 alone, it seems a matter of time before China fully re-opens. China was the last Covid stronghold and one of the only countries to still have travel restrictions. I guess it is a mix of nationalistic pride in the ruling class as well as a desire to not be too reliant on the West. The latter is understandable, though unsurprisingly, mainlanders were making their way to HK and Macau to get their Pfizer vaccines. 248 million infected in 20 days... The way China would have snatched the crown back from the US for the greatest number of cases (and deaths) if they had been properly accounted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius1111 Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/483247/World/International/China-to-scrap-COVID-quarantine-for-overseas-arriv.aspx China to scrap quarantine starting from Jan 08. PCR test 48 hours before arrival is still needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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