RihRihGirrrl Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Just now, nadiamendell said: Ughhhhhhhhh here we go!
Communion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 6 minutes ago, superglowy said: The fact the GOP just froze Meals on wheels and Free school lunches for kids and this thread just skips over it to have the same 'But Biden/But Central Dems' that's been beaten to death for almost 10 years says it all. jnknk some of you kind of need to get your **** rocked with this constant obtuse goldfish posting. It's literally just a cycle of: > *bad thing Trump does* > *progressives concerned about how to stop it* > *the same 3-5 users going "WELP THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED!!! HAVE FUN!!!"* > *conversation devolves into how that view is objectively wrong and bootlicking to defend Kamala Harris' failures* with now the added contrarianism of "hmmm I see people would rather argue about DEMS than about TRUMP". Edited January 28 by Communion 2
dabunique Posted January 28 Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: i guess i will be settin up my Petti Labelle concert for my mom and her friends after all
Relampago. Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 3 minutes ago, superglowy said: The fact the GOP just froze Meals on wheels and Free school lunches for kids and this thread just skips over it to have the same 'But Biden/But Central Dems' that's been beaten to death for almost 10 years says it all. That liberals still want to deflect and have us all only sit and cry about how awful Trump is for the next 4 years, while Dems do absolutely nothing besides run another sh*t candidate like Biden in 2028? Edited January 28 by Relampago. 1 3
ClashAndBurn Posted January 28 Posted January 28 29 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: Joe Biden ended his presidency with lower approval ratings than an illiterate buffoon who attempted a coup, and centrists are still not capable of questioning if maybe their ideology... just isn't that popular? "Must be the left! Must be the woke! Must be Mickey Mouse!11!!" To be honest, it's not even the ideology, as much as it pains me to say Prices were just higher than they were during COVID lockdowns, which they were always going to be, so the incumbent party was punished for an unavoidable fact of economics. Unfortunately, the lesson learned from that will be that government spending will never be allowed to pass for anything other than defense ever again. On top of that, Biden was only really unpopular because he's old. 3
dabunique Posted January 28 Posted January 28 as y'all kno i'm delusional but do u think dat sumthin will actually happen and people will rise up to this tyranny? ugh i gotta get my old ass in gear and try to get Maria Elvira OUT as my congress representative
noodlelymph Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 34 minutes ago, dabunique said: Deserved @noodlelymph why u so confused about my statements, do u have a question for me the whole "FAFO, deserved" frankly evil nonsense I'm seeing from liberals lately on a host of issues makes y'all no fundamentally different than MAGA racism/lack of empathy. It's just such a weird thing to say and looking through political threads on this site it's pervasive. Gross. Edited January 28 by noodlelymph
ClashAndBurn Posted January 28 Posted January 28 "The Democrats lost because leftists wouldn't let Morgan Wallen say the N word in public " what some of you legit sound like, lmaoooooooo 2 2
DevilsRollTheDice Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 16 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: The US seems to be a center right country at surface level because it is captured by corporate interests and an entire media apparatus in service to those interests, is constantly pumping out culture war divisive propaganda obscuring any class consciousness. This is an incredibly disingenuous view when you ignore how since the 60s the US gov and natsec "deepstate" has stomped out all leftist movements and activists, and destroyed unions. The Red Scare, Reaganism/neoliberalism, and patriot act have all done irreversible damage to the US left. If you don't acknowledge the material differences between proper left movements/leaders and liberals who HAVE access to power and routinely shut out the left (never going to forget the war of dem aligned liberal media against both bernie primaries), then this discussion won't go anywhere. I don't understand what to do with this. Either way, the outcome is the same. Leftism has no meaningful political power in the United States. Leftism isn't popular among American citizens, regardless of the rationale. There are plenty of reasons why aside from conspiracy theories. Isn't it the job of those who want to see a political ideology to succeed to sell it? It's obvious that those who oppose it will try to sabotage. Republicans and Democrats are trying to undermine and disenfranchise one another constantly. That's true of any group with opposing views about how a country should be run. Y'all run in circles to justify the far-left's inability to gain any political power, influence, or organization while bemoaning the ineffectiveness of Democrats. As for Bernie, blaming the Democrats for favoring Clinton and Biden is just kinda silly IMO. Why wouldn't the party favor actual Democrats? Bernie is not a Dem and elected to run in their primary. Like, y'all won't accept any reasonable explanations for Democratic loses (some of which are outside the party's control) but then happily excuse Bernie's inability to win. It's not like they fudged the votes. He could've won if he convinced more people. Trump was resisted by the Republican establishment but pulled it off easily. Once again, I keep seeing this idea that there's a secret leftist majority in the US and we just have…no reason to believe that. Americans aren't just right of center on cultural issues, they're also right of center on economic issues. Edited January 28 by DevilsRollTheDice 1 1
Relampago. Posted January 28 Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, dabunique said: as y'all kno i'm delusional but do u think dat sumthin will actually happen and people will rise up to this tyranny? ugh i gotta get my old ass in gear and try to get Maria Elvira OUT as my congress representative I don't think there will be a massive uprising but I'm certain we'll see more July 13th and Luigi Mangione type events within the next year. As far as widespread movements though, at best I could see an Occupy Wall Street type movement, but maybe longer lasting and slightly more effective. It depends on how quickly things go from bad to worse though imo, otherwise people are just going to get used to it and accept it if it's more gradual. 1
Relampago. Posted January 28 Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: Awful If they actually freeze Pell Grants and Perkins Loans too, they can kiss a lot of their voters goodbye too.
superglowy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, Communion said: jnknk some of you kind of need to get your **** rocked with this constant obtuse goldfish posting. It's literally just a cycle of: > *bad thing Trump does* > *progressives concerned about how to stop it* > *the same 3-5 users going "WELP THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED!!! HAVE FUN!!!"* > *conversation devolves into how that view is objectively wrong and bootlicking to defend Kamala Harris' failures* with now the added contrarianism of "hmmm I see people would rather argue about DEMS than about TRUMP". Actually the cycle goes > *bad thing Trump does* > ''if only they hadn't sabotaged Bernie in 2016" > *Trump takes away a right/benefit > "yeah that was bad of Trump…but it's really THE DEMS FAULT…" > *Trump takes away 'Free School lunches for kids > Comment expressing disgust or anger or contempt for this not found It is the similar mentality to Trump voters that don't mind voting for him when his policies will hurt them as long as they can punch down on someone. So many leftists are the same, they don't seem THAT bothered at all about the **** Trumps doing because it allows them to give out about Democrats and will happily make their post exclusively about Democrats for the millionth time. And y'all are the empathetic ones? Oh all right then. 1 4
dabunique Posted January 28 Posted January 28 7 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: the whole "FAFO, deserved" frankly evil nonsense I'm seeing from liberals lately on a host of issues makes y'all no fundamentally different than MAGA racism/lack of empathy. It's just such a weird thing to say and looking through political threads on this site it's pervasive. Gross. i kno u don't kno me but i did my due diligence i spoke up against Trump to my mom and her friends i told dem dat this would happen i live in a city which is a Latin trump city many people laughed in my face and told me i was crazy when i said this $h!t would happen so no, they deserve everything bad dat will happen, especially if u voted against ur own interest because u r a white passing Latino or have money
DevilsRollTheDice Posted January 28 Posted January 28 This Medicaid thing is truly shocking and has to be extremely unpopular, even within his base. I wonder if they'll walk it back. Spoiler Maybe they're not worried about having to win another election 2
Communion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: I don't understand what to do with this. Either way, the outcome is the same. Leftism has no meaningful political power in the United States. Leftism isn't popular among American citizens, regardless of the rationale. There are plenty of reasons why aside from conspiracy theories. Isn't it the job of those who want to see a political ideology to succeed to sell it? It's obvious that those who oppose it will try to sabotage. Republicans and Democrats are trying to undermine and disenfranchise one another constantly. That's true of any group with opposing views about how a country should be run. Y'all run in circles to justify the far-left's inability to gain any political power, influence, or organization while bemoaning the ineffectiveness of Democrats. As for Bernie, blaming the Democrats for favoring Clinton and Biden is just kinda silly IMO. Why wouldn't the party favor actual Democrats? Bernie is not a Dem and elected to run in their primary. Like, y'all won't accept any reasonable explanations for Democratic loses (some of which are outside the party's control) but then happily excuse Bernie's inability to win. It's not like they fudged the votes. He could've won if he convinced more people. But Trump was resisted by the Republican establishment but pulled it off easily. 2 1
dabunique Posted January 28 Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Awful If they actually freeze Pell Grants and Perkins Loans too, they can kiss a lot of their voters goodbye too. i guess da only people who can afford college r da rich white people
superglowy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, Relampago. said: I don't think there will be a massive uprising but I'm certain we'll see more July 13th and Luigi Mangione type events within the next year. As far as widespread movements though, at best I could see an Occupy Wall Street type movement, but maybe longer lasting and slightly more effective. It depends on how quickly things go from bad to worse though imo, otherwise people are just going to get used to it and accept it if it's more gradual. I wonder if some will try to 'Trump 2 : Assassination Boogaloo' him again. All it takes is taking the wrong benefit off the wrong gun nut.
FameFatale Posted January 28 Posted January 28 10 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: I'm so confused over this because ours is still live and kicking Spoiler I am in nonprofit that deals with Medicaid and Medicare and it's still live and claims are going through just fine as of right now. Not saying tomorrow will be any better... but yeah. 1
DevilsRollTheDice Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) This is miles and miles off topic but I hope I'm not the only one that has a deep fondness for the 5 users I'm always arguing against on here I see @Communionquoted you and get butterflies. We're just girls and gays watching the world end trying to find a little distraction. Edited January 28 by DevilsRollTheDice 2
Relampago. Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Just now, superglowy said: I wonder if some will try to 'Trump 2 : Assassination Boogaloo' him again. All it takes is taking the wrong benefit off the wrong gun nut. The way it would be Trump 3: Assassination Boogaloo: The Re-Up because he's just that hated by certain people to have been shot at twice I'm really just curious if his cult will turn on him or not. I'm seriously not trying to beat a dead horse here, but Trump is absolutely fumbling his presidency so far and I doubt that'll change. If Dems can offer a new message and path for people to follow, they can really capitalize on his incompetence. Then again, Trump *is* getting things done, nothing good, but he is taking action. I wonder if people will see that as a good thing and make excuses like "well, at least he tried!" or if they'll say "wow he really is an idiot who's killing his all!" and rebel against his mandate.
superglowy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Just now, Relampago. said: The way it would be Trump 3: Assassination Boogaloo: The Re-Up because he's just that hated by certain people to have been shot at twice I'm really just curious if his cult will turn on him or not. I'm seriously not trying to beat a dead horse here, but Trump is absolutely fumbling his presidency so far and I doubt that'll change. If Dems can offer a new message and path for people to follow, they can really capitalize on his incompetence. Then again, Trump *is* getting things done, nothing good, but he is taking action. I wonder if people will see that as a good thing and make excuses like "well, at least he tried!" or if they'll say "wow he really is an idiot who's killing his all!" and rebel against his mandate. I think that is the most frustrating thing about Dems vs Republicans. Republicans get **** done for their base. Yes the '****' is horrific policies, Xenophobic, Homophobic, Transphobic, scary religious cult ****, but that what their base wants and their base when they win, actually seem to get to win and enjoy the feeling of winning. Democrats are cucks. Wimps. Bringing safety scissors to a knife fight. Maybe their pathetic response to Trump 2.0 will get some of them primaried and get some more progressives in that will actually fight, even if it's 'going down fighting'. I think Medicaid and Meals on wheels could really put a huge rock through the glass house, but then he won't need to win another election and will probably retire outside the US after.
dabunique Posted January 28 Posted January 28 8 minutes ago, Relampago. said: The way it would be Trump 3: Assassination Boogaloo: The Re-Up because he's just that hated by certain people to have been shot at twice I'm really just curious if his cult will turn on him or not. I'm seriously not trying to beat a dead horse here, but Trump is absolutely fumbling his presidency so far and I doubt that'll change. If Dems can offer a new message and path for people to follow, they can really capitalize on his incompetence. Then again, Trump *is* getting things done, nothing good, but he is taking action. I wonder if people will see that as a good thing and make excuses like "well, at least he tried!" or if they'll say "wow he really is an idiot who's killing his all!" and rebel against his mandate. Assassination Boogaloo is takin me out LOL
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