Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Armani? said: We dunk on Pelosi when she does things like simp for the Republican party and call for them to be stronger & more negotiable publically which is deluded or support a anti abortion Democrat in a primary despite fundraising off codifying Roe V Wade All of which has nothing to do with her passing legislation or tanking Republicans' agenda like she did with Trump. Like, if Pelosi making one generic statement on how the Republican Party has been hijacked by extremists outweighs the fact that the House Jan 6th Committee has been airing out every Republican corruption on prime-time TV for almost half a year, then you should probably re-evaluate your priorities. But I get it! No need to explain: 9 minutes ago, Kassi said: But like I said, I don't expect coherent logic out of leftists now that I understand the oversized impact that aesthetic concerns have in their calculus. So we're good on that front. Just don't act surprised when the same logic is applied to Bernard. Let's keep the same energy all around.
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) Most normal working class Americans: *hope and pray that something will happen to somehow make insulin affordable so that life is not just a cycle of suffering but actually worth living and can be enjoyed* The kind of people privileged enough to treat politics like sports betting: *manically laughs when conservative Democrats (who think "poor people are dirty and do drugs") succeed at making life more painful for the disabled, for senior citizens, and for diabetics because 'it's something progressive wanted and they didn't get it'." These are not equal nor similar kinds of existences. It's quite literally obscene to have a corporate executive or whatever that user does laugh in someone's face over them hoping for something like monthly insulin being cheaper or their grandparent having access to dentures for the first time. Edited August 7, 2022 by Communion
Armani? Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Kassi said: All of which has nothing to do with her passing legislation or tanking Republicans' agenda like she did with Trump. Like, if Pelosi making one generic statement on how the Republican Party has been hijacked by extremists outweighs the fact that the House Jan 6th Committee has been airing out every Republican corruption on prime-time TV for almost half a year, then you should probably re-evaluate your priorities. But I get it! No need to explain: So we're good on that front. Just don't act surprised when the same logic is applied to Bernard. Let's keep the same energy all around. Supporting a anti abortion Democrat isnt related to passing legislation?? And it hasnt been once. She's said it like 5 times. Imagine someone in the 1930s arguing we need to do Bipartisanship with the Nazi's & "we" can fix them.
rihannabiggestfan Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Armani? said: We dunk on Pelosi when she does things like simp for the Republican party and call for them to be stronger & more negotiable publically which is deluded or support a anti abortion Democrat in a primary despite fundraising off codifying Roe V Wade Pelosi and Biden invented simping for the Republican party. Even HILLARY had to laugh at the two of them
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Communion said: Most normal working class Americans: *hope and pray that something will happen to somehow make insulin affordable so that life is not just a cycle of suffering but actually worth living and can be enjoyed* The kind of people privileged enough to treat politics like sports betting: *manically laughs when conservative Democrats (who think "poor people are dirty and do drugs") succeed at making life more painful for the disabled, for senior citizens, and for diabetics because 'it's something progressive wanted and they didn't get it'." These are not equal nor similar kinds of existences.
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kassi said: And it failed because it could not reach the 60-vote threshold. It had to reach the 60-vote threshold instead of 50 because Democrats allowed the Parliamentarian to block it Most people would be reasonably upset at Democrats for not simply replacing the Parliamentarian, as they have the legal grounds to do, like Republicans have done before. Instead you laugh at people upset at Democrats over this and simply tell people "well get us to 60 votes". Again, reference my post that your trolling in here serves no purpose than to try and upset people after weirdly bragging about having a six-figure income and making fun of how much others make.
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Armani? said: Supporting a anti abortion Democrat isnt related to passing legislation?? And it hasnt been once. She's said it like 5 times. Imagine someone in the 1930s arguing we need to do Bipartisanship with the Nazi's & "we" can fix them. No. And okay, she said it multiple times in the context of calling Republicans extremists, a cult, and other awful things. These are all obvious back-handed appeals. So ask yourself: Why isn't THAT your take away? Again, I know the answer, she doesn't conform to the leftist aesthetic. But it doesn't make it look any less stupid when the House is the only place the progressive agenda is thriving.
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 Fun fact: The Democrats' choice for Parliamentarian used to work for ICE as an attorney.
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Communion said: And it failed because it could not reach the 60-vote threshold. It had to reach the 60-vote threshold instead of 50 because Democrats allowed the Parliamentarian to block it Ok, so we agree. That's where Bernie and the Senate need to STEP UP. So what's the issue? How is it Pelosi's fault when she would literally do away with the filibuster in a heartbeat, let alone ignore the ******* parliamentarian?
Armani? Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Kassi said: No. And okay, she said it multiple times in the context of calling Republicans extremists, a cult, and other awful things. These are all obvious back-handed appeals. So ask yourself: Why isn't THAT your take away? Again, I know the answer, she doesn't conform to the leftist aesthetic. But it doesn't make it look any less stupid when the House is the only place the progressive agenda is thriving. But did it pass the Senate? No They have to get bigger gains in seats in midterms, so how exactly is supporting 1 Democrat against abortion rational when their poll ratings were in the gutter not that long ago? It is possible, Cuellar could be a tie break vote. "Leftist aesthetic" More like common sense. The Republican party isnt going to return to what Nancy considers "normalcy". Especially since they enable them to continue going far right by funding ads for far right politicians in their primaries since they think it makes them easier to beat if they win
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kassi said: when she would literally do away with the filibuster in a heartbeat, let alone ignore the ******* parliamentarian? No one believes this because there simply has never been any actual material results. What's not clicking for you? Again, it was cited to you how we've already done this song and dance in history where the same bills went from having "Yes" votes to "No" votes in one chamber once Dems gained power in both.
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Armani? said: But did it pass the Senate? No They have to get bigger gains in seats in midterms, so how exactly is supporting 1 Democrat against abortion rational when their poll ratings were in the gutter not that long ago? It is possible, Cuellar could be a tie break vote. "Leftist aesthetic" More like common sense. The Republican party isnt going to return to what Nancy considers "normalcy". Especially since they enable them to continue going far right by funding ads for far right politicians in their primaries since they think it makes them easier to beat if they win Keep in this this same person spent months attacking the most likely flip for Senate - Fetterman - while spending their own personal fortune on deadbeat races like Florida's Senate race.
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Armani? said: But did it pass the Senate? No They have to get bigger gains in seats in midterms, so how exactly is supporting 1 Democrat against abortion rational when their poll ratings were in the gutter not that long ago? It is possible, Cuellar could be a tie break vote. "Leftist aesthetic" More like common sense. The Republican party isnt going to return to what Nancy considers "normalcy". Especially since they enable them to continue going far right by funding ads for far right politicians in their primaries since they think it makes them easier to beat if they win Because endorsing all of your sitting members... the ones who have already proven they can win their districts... is a long standing House policy that has helped keep everyone in line. On 7/1/2022 at 11:51 AM, Kassi said: Nancy Pelosi is endorsing her ENTIRE caucus so she can ask them to vote against their opposite views when the time comes. Get it together, mama. Focus on actually passing legislation, not the optics of producing a a completely leftist caucus. Because if it's not abortion, it'll be climate, if it's not climate, it'll be policing, if it's not policing, it'll be Israel, etc. The purity pitches are endless. That game is a vortex of all things progress. For example, Cuellar, along with 4 other Dems voted against assault weapons ban, now are you suggesting leadership go all in to primary ALL 5 of them? It's insane. The reason why leftist organizations keep failing is because they lack the discipline and perspective to see that they agree on 99.9% of things. And instead, choose to highlight the things they DON'T completely agree on even when it doesn't matter. Until Nancy's approach stops resulting in the non-stop flow of progressive legislation coming out of the House, all of these critiques are just nitpicky and aesthetically driven (which, again, I get! Just be honest about it).
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Communion said: No one believes this because there simply has never been any actual material results. What's not clicking for you? Again, it was cited to you how we've already done this song and dance in history where the same bills went from having "Yes" votes to "No" votes in one chamber once Dems gained power in both. Then it should be easy to provide a few examples of this, maybe even ONE.
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Communion said: Keep in this this same person spent months attacking the most likely flip for Senate - Fetterman - while spending their own personal fortune on deadbeat races like Florida's Senate race. I think you're thinking of MonsterMastermind or w/e his name is. I don't have a feeling (nor did I express any ire) either way about Fetterman. As far as that primary was concerned, I was/am good with whoever won as long as they could reliably take the seat. Plus, after looking into him, Fetterman had the same politics as your average Dem, but with the right aesthetic to woo leftists. So it was an easy call. While Bernie was lamenting about the "so-called inflation reduction act", Fetterman was fully onboard that it would "do exactly what the name suggests" and even thanked Joe Manchin. Seems like a pretty swell guy to me. The person who I was vocal about was Nina Turner cause she's one of the worst politicians of all time and has never even won an election to show for all of her posturing. A Jessica Cisneros tea.
Vermillion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 Haven't unpacked this enough and I don't claim to be an expert so I'll leave these both here. Cross Covid thread.
ClashAndBurn Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 5 hours ago, GhostBox said: Why can’t you answer their question? It’s a legitimate one. Pelosi got it passed through her house. Shumer and Sanders couldnt do it ? Sanders isn’t a caucus leader. You know this. You also know that Pelosi doesn’t have grandstanding monstrosities like Manchin and Sinema that she has to corral. Instead she’s got the No Salt, No Deal crowd that are much more easily placated by being friendlier to corporations. It’s not a legitimate question. It’s legitimately stupid, if anything.
Communion Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Kassi said: I don't have a feeling (nor did I express any ire) either way about Fetterman. Sis, you don't have to lie just because you feel you can with everything pre-April under lock and key. You also don't have to lie about Fetterman's support of the IRA. His literal only tweet comes from after its passing - the same passing that was possible because Bernie Sanders decided not to tank it by voting Yes. This is even worse when exposing yourself as not reading sarcasm via tweet when claiming Fetterman is singing Manchin's praises but feeling the need to constantly be condescending just because most people in this thread are not ~corporate executives going to gay brunches at private homes where Chasten Buttigieg is speaking at~.
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 Dark Brandon memes coming straight from the White House now.
Kassi Posted August 7, 2022 Posted August 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Communion said: Sis, you don't have to lie just because you feel you can with everything pre-April under lock and key. You also don't have to lie about Fetterman's support of the IRA. His literal only tweet comes from after its passing - the same passing that was possible because Bernie Sanders decided not to tank it by voting Yes. This is even worse when exposing yourself as not reading sarcasm via tweet when claiming Fetterman is singing Manchin's praises but feeling the need to constantly be condescending just because most people in this thread are not ~corporate executives going to gay brunches at private homes where Chasten Buttigieg is speaking at~. Girl idc as long as Fetterman wins his seat so Bernie’s Senate can finally stop blocking Pelosi’s progressive agenda Im not a Justice Dem. I don’t care about aesthetic appeal or vague Marxist posturing. All that matters to me is the number of votes Democrats have.
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