fan base K-Pop Thread: 2022 Archive

[JonginBey]

7 minutes ago, IamCY said:

 

Chensus is back but he sounds... different. 

 

Just finished watching this. Aging beautifully, physically and vocally

[IamCY]

2 hours ago, AxelFox said:

There is no thing such as OT8 lmao
 

Their career as a group after Jessica left is almost as if it never happened now.

 

NOBODY remembers girls generation for freaking Lion heart, party and you think, please  

 

She was there as one of the representative members for their glory days and most people remember them as such, whether you like it or not. 

 

 

I always see this argument but it's almost like saying 2NE1 flopped after Minzy left, because they needed her. SNSD carried on for considerably longer than that. They just happened to leave at the same time their groups reached a certain age and would inevitably slow down anyway. 

[Zack]

5 minutes ago, Rhyme said:

"Easter eggs" like drugging someone,  song theft, plagiarism, exposing a relationship and forcing a big 3 company to force out a member?

 

These are bold and dangerous claims that shouldn't be spread over a Young Adult book.   A former manager writing an actual book would definitely be better.

Sure that's right, because things like drug abuse, theft, in-fighting, bullying and jealousy never happens in any other K-Pop group right?

 

Some of it is obviously fictionalised, but some of it clearly isn't and is so obviously based on real events with just names changed. She was more subtle about it in Shine, but more direct in Bright and good for her, because thanks to SM, she'll never be able to say the full truth of what happened.

 

This is her way of giving the fans some insight into what happened. I think that's really brave and shows a lot of strength to go against the patriarchy on this. 

 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Zack

[Rhyme]

1 minute ago, Zack said:

Sure that's right, because things like drug abuse, theft, in-fighting, bullying and jealousy never happens in any other K-Pop group right?

 

Some of it is obviously fictionalised, but some of it clearly isn't and is so obviously based on real events with just names changed. She was more subtle about it in Shine, but more direct in Bright and good for her, because thanks to SM, she'll never be able to say the full truth of what happened.

 

This is her way of giving the fans some insight into what happened. I think that's really brave and shows a lot of strength to go against the patriarchy on this. 

 

Drug abuse...no a character drugs another character. That is not the same as someone going into the bathroom to do some coke. One is a crime on another person. 

 

Jessica teasing her fans with "You'll have to figure out whats true ;)" with stuff like this in the books is damaging and not some girlboss move.

[OrgVisual]

2 hours ago, AxelFox said:

There is no thing such as OT8 lmao
 

Their career as a group after Jessica left is almost as if it never happened now.

 

NOBODY remembers girls generation for freaking Lion heart, party and you think, please  

 

She was there as one of the representative members for their glory days and most people remember them as such, whether you like it or not. 

 

 

Snsd was already in their 7th year when Jessica left. Mr Mr was already an underperformance compared to their other singles. Which girlgroup scored big hits in their 8th+ year (except Red Velvet)? 

 

And Party, Lion Heart, Lil Touch are hits no matter what you said 

[express999]

yoona's fans dragging jawsuka and her ugly ass boyfriend tylew on twitter rightfully so 

[Inspirit]

Why are a lot of people saying Le Sserafim already 'failed' ?

Physical sales are good and the song is pretty stable on Melon.

I'm confused.

 

[AxelFox]

34 minutes ago, IamCY said:

I always see this argument but it's almost like saying 2NE1 flopped after Minzy left, because they needed her. SNSD carried on for considerably longer than that. They just happened to leave at the same time their groups reached a certain age and would inevitably slow down anyway. 

 

27 minutes ago, Sept said:

Snsd was already in their 7th year when Jessica left. Mr Mr was already an underperformance compared to their other singles. Which girlgroup scored big hits in their 8th+ year (except Red Velvet)? 

 

And Party, Lion Heart, Lil Touch are hits no matter what you said 

This is all true however it does not invalidate what I said in any form.

 

Jessica was there for most of their active days as a group and in the times they saw the most success and left the biggest impact. It is how it is. And not 'just there' in a sunny-type of way but as one of the most popular and recognizable faces of the group. 
 

When the public thinks of snsd they think of their early days and stuff like gee, genie, the boys etc. And 9 members by default.

 

The fact that they would've done continue to underperform in their last few years had she stayed in the group or not is irrelevant. 

OT8 is only an internet lunatics thing. 

[rzal]

1 hour ago, cloudbusting said:

Lalalay was a total departure from her sound and did not deserve the hate, pporappippam wasn’t synthpop retro, Tail was a throwback to the sultry 24 Hours vibe without feeling redundant

 

You Can’t Sit With Us felt safe for her even with that camp “rap,” but 1/6 as a mini still felt fresh

 

idk I just don’t get that criticism because she feels pretty varied to me

Idk what people want from her. 

[Vrx.]

1 hour ago, Zack said:

She released a sequel to her New York Times bestselling book and some sones weren't happy about it.

What did she say that’s got everyone riled up?

[Narima]

1 hour ago, Axel. said:

[HT] #iKON (@YG_iKONIC) 1st Day Sales

FLASHBACK — 44,359 ?

 

tragic

[Zack]

6 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

What did she say that’s got everyone riled up?

The book basically supports what everyone already suspected/knew...that:

 

1. SM didn't have a problem with her fashion business in the beginning

2. However some members did/were jealous and went to SM and said "kick her or we won't perform" 

3. SM was forced to side with those members and told Jessica she had to leave

4. SM blacklisted Jessica in revenge for her Weibo post on the night she was kicked

5. The members cut her out and never contacted her again

 

There's other things too but these parts are causing the most drama even though C-Netz already knew all this since 2014, which is why Jessica remains popular/big fanbase in China. 

 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Zack

[xrosup]

2 hours ago, Gwendolyn said:

 

Speak to them nicely.

[lovecatt]

are we ready to talk about how tomboy is objectively a bad song

[Jared]

48 minutes ago, Rhyme said:

Drug abuse...no a character drugs another character. That is not the same as someone going into the bathroom to do some coke. One is a crime on another person. 

 

Jessica teasing her fans with "You'll have to figure out whats true ;)" with stuff like this in the books is damaging and not some girlboss move.

Yeah this part is not cute tbh. 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

The way iKON fell HARD 

 

I actually feel bad for them

[Jared]

4 minutes ago, lovecatt said:

are we ready to talk about how tomboy is objectively a bad song

It's not a breakthrough in quality for kpop by any means, but I think it was a hit because of how fresh the pop rock sound is, which isn't as common in kpop these days.

 

[Jared]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Blue_Shirt said:

The way iKON fell HARD 

 

I actually feel bad for them

YG BGs are not nearly as interesting enough as BP is to survive such long waits between comebacks.

 

It's what YG deserves tbh.

 

[Zack]

1 hour ago, Rhyme said:

Drug abuse...no a character drugs another character. That is not the same as someone going into the bathroom to do some coke. One is a crime on another person. 

 

Jessica teasing her fans with "You'll have to figure out whats true ;)" with stuff like this in the books is damaging and not some girlboss move.

And you don't think things like that could be happening in a hyper competitive industry like K-Pop? Wake up, the reality is obviously not all sunshine and roses. 

 

She hasn't directly called someone out for that incident, you're acting as if she's written "Sooyoung drugged meee" or something. If it did indeed happen to her, that's disgusting and good on her for finding a way to get the truth out there somehow. 

 

Clearly you haven't thought about the consequences of what you're saying if it ever does transpire that she was a victim, but clearly you don't think she's worth that consideration.

 

And if it isn't one of the easter eggs, so what. It's ambiguous enough for it not to be damaging or defamatory to anyone. Try suing for that in court and the case would be nearly impossible to win.

 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Zack

[lovecatt]

8 minutes ago, Jared said:

It's not a breakthrough in quality for kpop by any means, but I think it was a hit because of how fresh the pop rock sound is, which isn't as common in kpop these days.

 

kudos to them for doing something that talentxtalent has been doing for years new but the finished product is just a mess

 

[Jared]

4 minutes ago, lovecatt said:

kudos to them for doing something that talentxtalent has been doing for years new but the finished product is just a mess

 

We know the Korean GP avoids BGs like the plague, of course once a popular GG pulled off that sound it would be a hit.

 

The only messy thing about the song is the songwriting. Was not Soyeon at her best.

 

[cloudbusting]

34 minutes ago, rzal said:

Idk what people want from her. 

when she wasn’t doing the retro synthpop people were whining about wanting it back, but the second she went back to it it was a lot of “oh THIS again” 

 

it’s one thing to just dislike a song, but idk I just don’t get why some people act like she just makes the same song over and over

[Antisocialites]

32 minutes ago, lovecatt said:

are we ready to talk about how tomboy is objectively a bad song

at least is not as horrible as My Bag. I don't get the hype for that ugly ass song

[rapperjennie]

1 hour ago, Axel. said:

[HT] #iKON (@YG_iKONIC) 1st Day Sales

FLASHBACK — 44,359 ?

 

 at this point it's well known no one in YG other than BLACKPINK and Treasure can sell well, it's almost a formality as per their contracts to give them a comeback otherwise YG wouldn't bother 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

16 minutes ago, Jared said:

YG BGs are not nearly as interesting enough as BP is to survive such long waits between comebacks.

 

It's what YG deserves tbh.

 

The way their fanbase jumped ship ever since B.I. leave the group 

 

At least WINNER still consistent with their sales and their last singles managed to enter top 50 on Gaon

 

If they still manage to snatch 100K+ with their comeback album and their song also becoming a semi hit, it's truly over for iKON