fan base Beyoncé

[satellites.™]

54 minutes ago, swissman said:

imo RENAISSANCE tells a story too...though it's less narrative and more situational.

 

I've always understood it to be like a first-person internal narrative on a night out clubbing. It starts at home, getting ready feeling yourself, then you arrive at the club and get hyped up, dance, party, let loose, and then you meeting someone you like, start to "fall in love"... MOVE especially is an interesting narrative to me because it paints a picture of the classic drunk clubbing situation: you're all hyped up inside, trying to get close to the DJ booth with your friends, but when you go outside you kind of unravel and get messy,..anyway and then the story continues with going back in and continuing the party and ultimately taking your lover home at the end of the night.

 

 

Agreed, I do like RENAISSANCE a lot, it feels like an iconic era to me that generations of people will wish they experienced live. The songs themselves don't feel like stories I should say, with Lemonade and CC, the songs (majority) themselves are stories imo.

[sillycilla]

My daily reminder that Parkwood is the pits. 

[sillycilla]

It looks like 77-78M may be her peak. It's going to slow down without any additional push/promo.

[Machete]

5 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

My daily reminder that Parkwood is the pits. 

Parkwood's boss*
 

If the boss is stubborn, they can't do anything. 

[Devin]

38 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

HELLLLLLOOOO which one of yall is this? It's giving @Devin

 

JAIL   

[CécredSpaces]

38 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

HELLLLLLOOOO which one of yall is this? It's giving @Devin

 

I don't get why when ranking STUDIO ALBUMS they always include Homecoming. Like, go away. Always tagging along. It's not a group project!

[Devin]

3 minutes ago, CécredSpaces said:

I don't get why when ranking STUDIO ALBUMS they always include Homecoming. Like, go away. Always tagging along. It's not a group project!

oh wow new Hive

welcome 

[swissman]

39 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

When you preorder an album, you expect to get all the songs. That wasn't explicitly promised but it's part of the understanding. So yeah it's a scam. All of this could've been avoided had they revealed some of the information because they knew.

imo if they had called it SPECIAL COLLECTOR'S EDITION: ORIGINAL COWBOY CARTER LIMITED VINYL it probably would have sold even more because it would be branded as something entirely unique to the digital copy. Instead they chose something much vaguer, and I can sympathize with people being upset that the vagueness resulted in their assumptions not being met.

 

However, I think it's silly to say that it's a scam when either way the sales would probably have been about the same had she advertised it one way or another. I'd venture to guess most people did not buy the physical copies because it was their only means of listening to the record, but because they wanted to own it in a physical form which is rather unchanged despite an incongruent track list. Calling it a scam would imply she thought the only way to sell her records would be to do this, and I don't think that's the case.

 

Lastly, we are also assuming that the addition of extra tracks was not a last minute thing, after the pre-orders were out. I work in a creative field and I know I am never content with my work, always wanting to change it at the last minute if I can, and so understand the possibility that she just might've re-listened and felt extremely sure that she wanted to change some things/add others. This is an assumption too, but I think it's only fair to weight both possibilities and not decide it's one or the other when outright declaring her a scammer, which implies some sort of plotting on her behalf to gain sales in the only way possible, which simply is not the case.

[Lose My Breath]

8 minutes ago, swissman said:

imo if they had called it SPECIAL COLLECTOR'S EDITION: ORIGINAL COWBOY CARTER LIMITED VINYL it probably would have sold even more because it would be branded as something entirely unique to the digital copy. Instead they chose something much vaguer, and I can sympathize with people being upset that the vagueness resulted in their assumptions not being met.

 

However, I think it's silly to say that it's a scam when either way the sales would probably have been about the same had she advertised it one way or another. I'd venture to guess most people did not buy the physical copies because it was their only means of listening to the record, but because they wanted to own it in a physical form which is rather unchanged despite an incongruent track list. Calling it a scam would imply she thought the only way to sell her records would be to do this, and I don't think that's the case.

 

Lastly, we are also assuming that the addition of extra tracks was not a last minute thing, after the pre-orders were out. I work in a creative field and I know I am never content with my work, always wanting to change it at the last minute if I can, and so understand the possibility that she just might've re-listened and felt extremely sure that she wanted to change some things/add others. This is an assumption too, but I think it's only fair to weight both possibilities and not decide it's one or the other when outright declaring her a scammer, which implies some sort of plotting on her behalf to gain sales in the only way possible, which simply is not the case.

But how we can we call it a limited edition when it's the only edition being sold lol

[swissman]

12 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

But how we can we call it a limited edition when it's the only edition being sold lol

That's not true or else there would be no uproar over the editions being different. There's a limited edition vinyl/CD and a streaming/digital edition.

 

Either way, "Limited Edition" doesn't even have to mean there are other editions, but just that the edition is of limited quantities.

 

 

Edited April 11 by swissman

[Kristie Kuwa]

16 minutes ago, swissman said:

imo if they had called it SPECIAL COLLECTOR'S EDITION: ORIGINAL COWBOY CARTER LIMITED VINYL it probably would have sold even more because it would be branded as something entirely unique to the digital copy. Instead they chose something much vaguer, and I can sympathize with people being upset that the vagueness resulted in their assumptions not being met.

 

However, I think it's silly to say that it's a scam when either way the sales would probably have been about the same had she advertised it one way or another. I'd venture to guess most people did not buy the physical copies because it was their only means of listening to the record, but because they wanted to own it in a physical form which is rather unchanged despite an incongruent track list. Calling it a scam would imply she thought the only way to sell her records would be to do this, and I don't think that's the case.

 

Lastly, we are also assuming that the addition of extra tracks was not a last minute thing, after the pre-orders were out. I work in a creative field and I know I am never content with my work, always wanting to change it at the last minute if I can, and so understand the possibility that she just might've re-listened and felt extremely sure that she wanted to change some things/add others. This is an assumption too, but I think it's only fair to weight both possibilities and not decide it's one or the other when outright declaring her a scammer, which implies some sort of plotting on her behalf to gain sales in the only way possible, which simply is not the case.

Just say it with me once: Beyonce and Parkwood are wrong for this and should be held accountable.

 

 

Trust me, your tongue won't fall off just because u usher these words. This is not like in Demon Slayer where the mere mention of Muzan will result in them instantly dying

U can do it Swiss, I know you have it in you. 

[kimberly]

wrong tweet. but let me leave this here too lmao

 

 

 

Edited April 11 by kimberly

[kimberly]

ok this is for hag hive.

 

 

 

[yonsé]

1 hour ago, Cbreezy said:

Coincidentally, Disney JUST posted about BIK. As in a few minutes ago.

 

Possibly nothing, possibly them just getting in on the heat around Bey's name at the moment, but I legit don't recall them pushing BIK much beyond its initial launch. Something that has always perplexed me given that its ever-green content (thanks to the Lion King tie-in).

 

From Black History Month to Women's History Month to any and every moment Beyonce's name is hot in the mainstream press, I would "expect" a fresh push. Especially given the much larger audience Disney+ has compared to when BIK debuted. 

 

Possibly delulu, but wondering aloud if Disney could be in the mix for the CC visuals?

 

It would be interesting becaus maybe conjecture, but I've always felt there was a lil sourness on both ends following BIK. Mama Tina's post about them "not promoting" BIK a year or so after was telling about the internal sentiment on Bey's end and Disney seemingly doing nothing with it post-release spoke volumes to me. 

 

Again, total conjecture, but I guess maybe Bey was promised heaven and earth in terms of push and didn't get it. While Disney may have expected more traction on the basis of Beyonce'name.

 

I settle somewhere in the middle. 

 

On the one hand, Disney are DISNEY. So, they have the corporate muscle to have made BIK a thing-thing. New platform (at the time) or not. Plus, as mentioned above, there have been bountiful opportunities to re-heat it and get more eyeballs on it (thus making it "worth" whatever they spent on it.

 

At the same time, Bey's no-promo thing was always going to bite her in the behind at some point and dare I say humble her. 

 

Creating a visual masterpiece and letting it "do it's thing" was never going to be the tea. She had a very reclined approach to promo for The Lion King too (probably because she had a whole album and visual in motion), but still her hands-off approach is just not beneficial all the time. 

 

If I were Disney, I would have MANDATED a certain amount of promo if buying into whatever film she was making. From a proper BTS doc to a live concert that would have followed the movie to a fixed number of high-profile appearances. 

 

I get the vibe BOTH sides were too laxed and came out feeling a way. 

amazon prime made a post about her today too.

[swissman]

12 minutes ago, kimberly said:

ok this is for hag hive.

 

 

 

It's so true. B'Day was that era. Perhaps even more fun than IASF because it started off a big shaky only for her to literally score the Year-End #1 Hit of 2007 and give fans an entire video anthology and her best (performed) tour of her career.

[swissman]

17 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Just say it with me once: Beyonce and Parkwood are wrong for this and should be held accountable.

why would I say something I don't believe, and based on your assumptions?

[ScorpiosGroove]

yeah amazon prime and amazon in general are way more attached to this era (since ren even) than disney ever was. it's between them and netflix 

[swissman]

it would be kind of a slay to release the visuals to all streaming platforms, in the form of continuous play videos (like how the songs go from one to another seamlessly) so that each video few counts as a stream/towards sales...

 

I don't think someone has done something like that, but it might make no difference to how people watch them. I know when I play the BEYONCÉ: MORE edition suddenly each video/performance comes in back-to-back, so this would make no difference.

 

it would be a good way to get around Billboard not counting any stream of visual albums towards sales, even though it's essentially the same thing as watching a series of music videos.

 

 

Edited April 11 by swissman

[Lose My Breath]

2 minutes ago, swissman said:

That's not true or else there would be no uproar over the editions being different. There's a limited edition vinyl/CD and a streaming/digital edition.

 

Either way, "Limited Edition" doesn't even have to mean there are other editions, but just that this edition is of limited quantities.

 

 

All editions are limited by your definition, and you're playing semantics.  You know when they say "limited edition" or "exclusive", what they're implying, it's an inferred meaning because it's the industry norm.  Inferred/implicit meanings have grounds even in a court of law, which obviously this isn't as serious as that, but it's a very real thing.   You expect that when you are being told something is a limited edition, and exclusive, that it is.  In this case, they changed the album cover, and tracklist after production, and tried to label it as something it wasn't.  Am I upset personally? No.  That doesn't mean others don't have the right to feel differently, and it's valid and reasonable for them to be upset. 

 

They now include the tracklist on the website, and have removed the verbiage of "bonus track" and replaced it with "additional song", which they should've done in the beginning, and they should honestly elaborate even further.  If they truly do ship out the "limited edition" from Target, and other online retailers tomorrow, it'll be even more problematic as they were labeled as Target exclusives with a "bonus track", and that limited edition wasn't truly exclusive to the online store, which I'm pretty sure they originally included in the description.   It's deceiving marketing practices, people bought additional items thinking they would be different as that was what was implied, and hopefully they are. 

 

All of this is caused by her explicit need to be "mysterious", instead of just being upfront and explanatory, it's unprofessional.  There are business practice laws, whether she crossed any of those, I don't know, but other companies have faced fines, fees, and repercussions for much less.

[Cbreezy]

13 minutes ago, yonsé said:

amazon prime made a post about her today too.

Chile...It seems everyone wants in on the buzz around her name. 

 

3 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

yeah amazon prime and amazon in general are way more attached to this era (since ren even) than disney ever was. it's between them and netflix 

I've always wanted Netflix for the eyeballs and their unrivalled ability to generate pop culture moments (something NONE of the other services have been able to do). 

 

At the same time, the marketing enthusiast in me, is so geeked out about the layered potential an Amazon tie-in could do. 

 

Amazon's retail component is unrivalled and their wallets are deep trying to push Prime Video. Them wanting in on all things "cool" (which Bey defines) and the market share they want to snatch from Netflix could see them be the committed partner few of us want but end up loving. 

[ShouldersSideways]

I can't find the prime video post @yonsé what was it?

 

5 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

It's deceiving marketing practices, people bought additional items thinking they would be different as that was what was implied, and hopefully they are. 

 

 

The deception is what bothers me, less so the messiness. I've come to expect a messy rollout and radio silence even on things that shouldn't be silent, but it's clear to me they lied to fans on purpose so they could offload stock they didn't know what to do with. And no one can convince me it was to cut down on wastefulness - it was to maximize profit, which is ultimately what she values most, as evidenced by when she had a meltdown over OTRII ticket sales and spammed her IG story until she hit the literal limit for photos you can share.

 

On a positive note, the Always Been Country shirt is MUCH better quality than anything I got during the Renaissance era. It's actually quite soft and the colors are much clearer.

[Blue Rose]

When will TikTok Hive realize that a dance will not go viral if it's too complicated? 

[swissman]

22 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

All editions are limited by your definition, and you're playing semantics.

That's not what I meant at all, nor am I playing semantics, I'm using what these terms mean in marketing, and that's exactly what these terms are... just ways to market it. They could have called it "COLLECTOR'S EDITION", "SPECIAL EDITION", etc. etc. But they chose "Limited edition" which as mentioned, would imply that the quantities are limited.

 

For example:

• The RENAISSANCE Limited Edition vinyl has not been sold since selling out. It was a limited edition.
• The RENAISSANCE standard edition sold out and then was restocked. It is not limited edition.

And yes, technically all editions are "limited" by their stock but a "limited edition" would imply that there is no plans to restock after that.

 

22 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

You know when they say "limited edition" or "exclusive", what they're implying, it's an inferred meaning because it's the industry norm.  Inferred/implicit meanings have grounds even in a court of law, which obviously this isn't as serious as that, but it's a very real thing.   You expect that when you are being told something is a limited edition, and exclusive, that it is.  In this case, they changed the album cover, and tracklist after production, and tried to label it as something it wasn't.  Am I upset personally? No.  That doesn't mean others don't have the right to feel differently, and it's valid and reasonable for them to be upset. 

The vinyls and CDs are limited editions though, even if we remove the implications of a limited stock from the mix. As I've stated, the entire issue is that the limited edition physical copies differ from the digital/streaming edition. One cannot argue that they lied about it being its own edition, if the issue is that it's its own edition.

 

22 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

They now include the tracklist on the website, and have removed the verbiage of "bonus track" and replaced it with "additional song", which they should've done in the beginning, and they should honestly elaborate even further.  If they truly do ship out the "limited edition" from Target, and other online retailers tomorrow, it'll be even more problematic as they were labeled as Target exclusives with a "bonus track", and that limited edition wasn't truly exclusive to the online store, which I'm pretty sure they originally included in the description.   It's deceiving marketing practices, people bought additional items thinking they would be different as that was what was implied, and hopefully they are. 

Yes, now they include the proper information. I don't know much about the Target / other retailers' exclusives but would agree that if they said it was a Target edition, it should be an edition only Target has. The same goes for the "web-store exclusive" thing, though that seems far less important than a retailer's branded exclusive version not being exclusive.

 

22 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

All of this is caused by her explicit need to be "mysterious", instead of just being upfront and explanatory, it's unprofessional.  There are business practice laws, whether she crossed any of those, I don't know, but other companies have faced fines, fees, and repercussions for much less.

I think this is an assumption though, and something I've been repeating. We actually don't know why, when or how the decision was made to add additional tracks and change others. It literally could have happened the night before the tracklist was shared. In that event, is there really a case to be made that she was scamming people if deciding at the last moments to add/change things? And does adding new tracks take away from the fact that the physicals are limited editions, or does it actually help define them as such?

 

 

 

Edited April 11 by swissman

[Mitsouko]

ALWAYS

BEEN

CORRUPT

 

[chaeyonce]

Valid criticism about the physicals and the shameful misleading Parkwood did shouldn't be met with hostility.

Selling physicals as limited editions when in reality those appear to be the only available versions on her site AND in stores is fraudulent.