Kalmanta Posted March 22 Posted March 22 10 minutes ago, Blue Rose said: We could've used another deal with Amazon that included CDs or vinyls THIS! Maybe after the release day we get something from this „partnership". 1
Jon Snow Posted March 22 Posted March 22 there's no point in speculating the original name and fighting over it. it's done. you have a full new album with probably 14 new songs in seven days 2
Space&Time Posted March 22 Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Blue Rose said: At this point it doesn't look like retailers will have the album available on time. How did you arrive at this? Is there usually an announcement or product page created at retailers ahead of time that indicates it will be on sale. What's missing?
BnPac Posted March 22 Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Blue Rose said: The theory that the limited cover was supposed to be the standard cover scares the living hell out of me. Does that mean she was considering Beyincé as an album title Now don't you love Cowboy Carter? 3
swissman Posted March 22 Posted March 22 9 minutes ago, R.E.M. said: y'all not seeing a problem with an album titled BEYINCÉ when she already has an album titled BEYONCÉ is deeply concerning btw but the thing is...BEYINCÉ is not the title of the album. And we don't know for certain that the intent was to name it that, even if she's wearing it on the cover. It's just as possible she was going to run with RENAISSANCE as the main title and "act ii" as the qualifier and "BEYINCÉ" as her artist name on the cover. I guess what I'm saying is we're finding issues with things that aren't confirmed and also isn't even the title to complain about. anyway I think if it were named that, the brilliance would be in exactly how similar the titles are...like two sides of the same coin. BEYONCÉ was a declaration of who she was as an artist in 2013 and for the years to come. BEYINCÉ re-states her heritage and how it affects who she is as an artist.
Jai Posted March 22 Posted March 22 (edited) B'Day Could never be her worst when I Am... Sasha Fierce is right there! Cowboy Carter is a slaying title and I've always stood on this. B'Day; while not being her strongest work CAN ALSO be some of her most significant artistically to who she's become. Both can be true. After all its her 'original" visual album and diverse sounds explored more in depth as her career has developed. Can we move on? Edited March 22 by Jai 3
swissman Posted March 22 Posted March 22 like I don't get the Hive's need to complain about things Beyoncé didn't even do...that are just possibilities that even if real have been clearly corrected. it's like getting mad at her for not liking one of the stage design sketches you saw in the RWT film...kinda a pointless exercise of complaint when the actual reality is that Beyoncé factually has a different title. 5 1 2
Havoc Posted March 22 Posted March 22 22 minutes ago, swissman said: wait what? That's one of her best, and her best pre-2013 album for sure. are you rating the re-release? the original is a stunning linear story with some of her best songs and is the record that contains the core Beyoncé DNA: female financial autonomy, sexuality as a weapon, brassy, sassy instrumentation... You put B'Day above 4?
simon Posted March 22 Posted March 22 Reclaiming the Carter Family Name (For Country) and her family legacy name, BEYINCE, that was stolen from her mom is one POWERFUL statement! I believe they both work in the context of how she did it. 1
swissman Posted March 22 Posted March 22 9 minutes ago, simon said: Reclaiming the Carter Family Name (For Country) and her family legacy name, BEYINCE, that was stolen from her mom is one POWERFUL statement! I believe they both work in the context of how she did it. This! There's a stroke of brilliance there that goes far beyond if we just like the names on paper and in the context of her wider discography. The way she's situating herself within this too is masterful. It's what separates it from the many other examples of pop girls going country. There's gravity here. 1
Arrogant Posted March 22 Posted March 22 The ancestry records showing 4 different spelling of the family name (Boyance, Buyince, Beyince, Beyonce) tells a ****** up story
swissman Posted March 22 Posted March 22 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Havoc said: You put B'Day above 4? Yes absolutely. 4 is great but as an album doesn't offer much creative vision or point of view besides being a collection of love songs of various perspectives and only achieves cohesion by having handfuls of similar songs. B'Day is a linear story from "crazy" love to breakup where we can actually track the relationship presented and thus context builds. It's also basically fully sonically cohesive until Irreplaceable and Resentment at the very end which conceptually works because she's no longer propelled by intense emotions from love or heartbreak, she's processed it and thus gives a far more relaxed contrast to the rest. And to be extra clear, I'm talking about the standard release...the one Beyoncé meant it to be consumed as. At B'Day's worst it has Irreplaceable which doesn't quite fit with the rest, is a bit basic and overly commercial but is still one of the catchiest songs of her career and a huge smash for a reason. At 4's worst it has Best Thing I Never Had which doesn't quite fit with the rest, is basic and overly commercial without the magic of Irreplaceable while also clearly being a Irreplaceable-wannabe 5-years later and after so many of Beyoncé's peers attempted the same thing. It was the biggest song at the time from the album, but even then still a moderate hit at best. And I don't ever mean to think "hits"=good but I think when comparing two songs of the exact same kind, we can gleam a sort of "pop worth" from such stats. Edited March 22 by swissman
Kingdom Posted March 22 Posted March 22 40 minutes ago, Jon Snow said: there's no point in speculating the original name and fighting over it. it's done. you have a full new album with probably 14 new songs in seven days Thank you..its that ONE account. Just annoying as hell 1
satellites.™ Posted March 22 Posted March 22 Critical thinking will tell us all that no matter which PHOTO was chosen, the TEXT can and likely WAS changed because it's very EASy to do.
Kingdom Posted March 22 Posted March 22 32 minutes ago, swissman said: like I don't get the Hive's need to complain about things Beyoncé didn't even do...that are just possibilities that even if real have been clearly corrected. it's like getting mad at her for not liking one of the stage design sketches you saw in the RWT film...kinda a pointless exercise of complaint when the actual reality is that Beyoncé factually has a different title. its because they are dumb (some)
swissman Posted March 22 Posted March 22 (edited) 4 is before Beyoncé began crafting albums that can speak for themselves. It's incredibly well made. Each song is great in its own way. But as a whole what is its motivation? We have intense love songs, sassy breakup songs, female empowerment, horny songs, heartbreak songs...all tossed together without a sense of purpose and the the theme is clearly love we aren't left with a point-of-view. There is a small sense of order but certain songs, like Party coming after a series of breakup/sad love songs and then continuing with a few more torch songs doesn't quite give a sense of story. In comparing it to B'Day, though one needs to know "this was inspired by Deena Jones", we can still understand Beyoncé's songs through the story she's very clearly presented to us. She's fallen deep in love and everywhere she goes she sees him like a "déjà vu". She embraces the joy of that shared sexuality and wants to always "get bodied" with him. She wants it so bad she's paying for his life as his "sugar mama". She tells him she'll make him into star that she can "upgrade", she invests in and promotes him. But then she finds out there is another woman and "rings the alarm" with anger. She takes away her "kitty kat" from him. She goes out looking hot in her "freakum dress" to make him feel a way. She gives him the "green light" to leave, she's over it. She packs up his stuff and leaves it in a box, reminding him he's not "irreplaceable". She sits by herself and feels the "resentment" left behind from the whole experience. It may not be her best album in every aspect but it fulfils everything it needed to do and more. Edited March 22 by swissman 1
kimberly Posted March 22 Posted March 22 4 is a better ALBUM than B'day, if you know what I mean. I probably revisit B'day tracks more individually, but I play 4 much more than I play B'day. 2 1
Slamless Posted March 22 Posted March 22 bday will always be her best and im happy its getting some flowers, the rest of yall are delusional 2 1 1
LVP Posted March 22 Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Slamless said: bday will always be her best and im happy its getting some flowers, the rest of yall are delusional +1
luxurious Posted March 22 Posted March 22 I prefer 4 to bday. Bday has some great individual tracks but I would rather listen to 4 in full 2
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