fan base Beyoncé

[ScorpiosGroove]

1 hour ago, sillycilla said:

Also Rolling Stone is a joke. That is all I will say.

giving a 100/100 to that childish ass album but not renny ?  & all the others giving 100’s but 80’s to Ren…

 

don’t get me started on that stupid ass review calling Ren "not her most cohesive album" 

[Jon Snow]

1. Deja Vu

2. Formation

3. Crazy In Love

4. Break My Soul

5. Drunk In Love

6. Single Ladies

7. If I Were A Boy

8. Run The World (Girls)

9. Spirit

10. APESHIT

11. XO

 

 

They actually all are great songs 

[Kristie Kuwa]

6 hours ago, sillycilla said:

Also Rolling Stone is a joke. That is all I will say.

Critics these days are chosen like that:

 

"Who wants to Review xyz?"

 

*a fan of the artist or hater raises their hand* "ill do it".

 

Writes bs review.

Literally means nothing

[Planet Mars]

I still don't get why some of you are so bothered as if Beyoncé is even competing with these girls

 

I can't imagine stanning Beyoncé and even paying attention to the likes of Olivia Rodrigo and her album, like she isn't even remotely on my radar.

[Mitsouko]

Which album did they give 100 to?

[Kristie Kuwa]

19 minutes ago, Planet Mars said:

I still don't get why some of you are so bothered as if Beyoncé is even competing with these girls

 

I can't imagine stanning Beyoncé and even paying attention to the likes of Olivia Rodrigo and her album, like she isn't even remotely on my radar.

Tea. Theyd also rather give Olivia her AOTY than Bey, so what else do u need to know?

[Blue Rose]

yall be bothered by everything  

Yes Olivia and other albums they gave a perfect score didn’t deserve it, however they still put Renaissance as their #1 on their year end list. And that’s the list that actually matters. 
Their reviews are paid so who cares about what score they give 

[Draper.]

Why are you so bothered by a 20 year old?  Her getting her flowers (it's actually good) doesn't take ANYTHING away from Bey. 

[sillycilla]

Pointing out how hypocritical and confusing the industry is towards Bey has nothing  to do with another artist. 

[sillycilla]

13 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

yall be bothered by everything  

Yes Olivia and other albums they gave a perfect score didn’t deserve it, however they still put Renaissance as their #1 on their year end list. And that’s the list that actually matters. 
Their reviews are paid so who cares about what score they give 

But then goes on to lose aoty every time lol

[Blue Rose]

1 minute ago, sillycilla said:

But then goes on to lose aoty every time lol

being #1 on the year end list is more impressive than winning that corrupt award. I wish she stopped caring about it 

[family.guy123]

6 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

But then goes on to lose aoty every time lol

Rolling Stone doesn’t vote on AOTY…

[Hallad173]

I’m still stunned that the Grammy voters don’t have to listen to any of the albums. That one random voter who said Beyoncé has won enough and wrote her off immediately took me out

 

Can just vote based on how the wind blows that day. Truly a joke. 😂

 

Spoiler

However, Virgos Groove deserved!!

 

[Cbreezy]

I don't think anyone "care-cares" about acts like Olivia (?) getting accolades. 

 

It just points out the BS barometer that Bey is judged against. 

 

At no stage of Bey's career - from her earliest days to her most critically acclaimed - are her releases ever showered with 100/100 scale praise. There's always a caveat. A something. 

 

All at once, institutions like Rolling Stone and the Grammys will propagate the idea of her being the "Queen" but will rarely reflect this with how they uphold/reward her in an official sense.

 

And not that anyone does, but if the average person were to take their word as gospel, then the translation is that the very "specific" set of acts they champion with these 100/100 reviews are deemed "better", "most deserving" etc over acts like Bey. Something those very acts themselves would disagree with lol. 

 

It sends a worrying message; "you can be the best, we'll even admit you're the best, but will never reward you accordingly".

 

It's why so many of us POC's (in "real life") are very early on sat down to have the "you must work twice as hard to get half as far" talk. Because even at Bey's level, it sadly rings true. 

 

If it's not Olivia today, it's Taylor tomorrow. Lemme stress that it's not those artists' fault, more the infrastructure (and dare I say the society at large) that we live in. 

 

[Draper.]

1 minute ago, Cbreezy said:

At no stage of Bey's career - from her earliest days to her most critically acclaimed - are her releases ever showered with 100/100 scale praise. There's always a caveat. A something. 

No mainstream artist doing pop music was getting a 100/100 before 2010, that's not something against Bey. And to be honest, DIL or IASF don't deserve that score anyway. And yes, Lemonade was showered with 100s.

[family.guy123]

The people who aren’t voting for her to win AOTY are not the same people giving her 100% reviews and #1 YE placements 

[swissman]

8 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Wrong. 

Some of yall are really selling break my soul short just because she pulled the trigger on it and didnt push it further. Its easily her best lead alongside Formation, Deja Vu and Crazy in Love

I totally agree.

 

I think of the more "club" tracks, BMS is perhaps the song that sticks out most on the record sonically which might make it a bad idea for a lead single like how Run the World had little to do with the rest of 4, but since BMS is still very on theme to the album, it kind of leads like a banner of what's to come.

 

I think if she had picked other great options like ALIEN SUPERSTAR or HEATED, it would have been a touch too specific for the lead, maybe a bit too abrupt of a change for the general listener. BMS did the great thing of balancing her theme and her new direction in way that was accessible and with an overall message but that didn't also give away the magic and surprise uniqueness of the record, saving that for debut.

 

Also the "back outside" lyrics were perfectly suited for that moment, and for Beyoncé's own storytelling too. (Even if she was hardly every outside after releasing it lol).

 

 

Edited September 8, 2023 by swissman

[Blue Rose]

I really wish she hadn’t given up on releasing singles. Energy sounds like a multi format smash

[Cbreezy]

Just now, Draper. said:

No mainstream artist doing pop music was getting a 100/100 before 2010, that's not something against Bey. And to be honest, DIL or IASF don't deserve that score anyway. And yes, Lemonade was showered with 100s.

TBH, I was speaking more broadly. RS, Grammys, etc. 

 

I know that branding is everything, so an act like Bey who is largely perceived as making a** shaking music is unlikely to get the praise of acts who make music that is packaged as "serious". Unsurprisingly, it's Bey's own "serious" music that is her most hailed (Lemonade etc). 

 

However, those definitions are arguably kind of archaic these days. Just look at the type of tracks that get nominated for Grammys and even winning them. Times are changing. 

 

I'm just saying and stick to my point that there's still a huge issue when Bey's most "critically praised" music still isn't showered with the same scale of praise of the material of an Olivia, Taylor, Adele, Harry, and the likes. There is a clear trend, disparity and gap in who takes home the tangible wins and who we are still having to stress is critically underrated despite being universally celebrated as the "Queen Bey".

[family.guy123]

And Taylor does not work 50% as hard as Beyoncé. Be real. We may not like her, but she deserves some credit 

 

(I for one actually do like Taylor. She’s one of my most played artists)

[Cbreezy]

2 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

The people who aren’t voting for her to win AOTY are not the same people giving her 100% reviews and #1 YE placements 

The Grammy committee, especially as they open it up more and more, is comprised of music makers, execs, and some journalists. I literally know of a few from different publications. 

[family.guy123]

1 minute ago, Cbreezy said:

The Grammy committee, especially as they open it up more and more, is comprised of music makers, execs, and some journalists. I literally know of a few from different publications. 

Yeah. I’m saying that her supporters are enthusiastic and loud online. They vote for her to win AOTY. The voters who think she’s just fine or aren’t fans of her music aren’t going online and writing articles about that. They just vote for somebody else. 

[ShouldersSideways]

We go round in circles, round in circles 

 

 

[Draper.]

25 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

TBH, I was speaking more broadly. RS, Grammys, etc. 

RS gave Lemonade a 100. It was #2 on the year-end list, with Formation at #1 for songs. The album is #2 for the decade. Renaissance was #1, with Cuff It at #2 for songs. She's the most awarded Grammy artist ever.

 

Yeah, she should have at least 2 AOTY. But saying Bey doesn't get the recognition other artists get is really not it, she absolutely does.

Edited September 8, 2023 by Draper.

[Mitsouko]

tbh I'd rather get a billion dollars than cute praise from Kidney Stone or a doorstop from the Shammys