charts discussion HDD: Adele 833k (biggest debut of the year), Taylor 165k

[Virtual_Insanity]

4 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

She is doing more than fine but people hiding behind her to drag Taylor might not be fine, at all. 

 

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Red TV doing 174k in second week, more than most albums's first week sales

I wouldnt know. Ive been with Adele since Make you feel my love and I am enjoying this incredible album. 

 

It seems sad to me that you cant be happy for Taylor without dragging Adele but you do you I guess. 

[Brando]

So if Artist X had 1 album in the entire discography that sold 20m copies and then retired, then Artist X is the most successful artist of all time because if you start comparing album by album with other artists they'd always win in the 1 vs 1 comparison and also always win in average units per album ratio. This logic

[Elusive Chanteuse]

16 minutes ago, Butters said:

Well it's becoming clear Adele is not the untouchable ~general public~ juggernaut everyone thought she was.  

 

She's outsold everyone else but Taylor Swift  and Drake though so how did you reach that conclusion?

 

[Virtual_Insanity]

10 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

not you trying with the "mental gymnastics" drag when you picked Taylor's 3 best selling albums and compared it to Adele's 3 albums

 

21 easily bigger than any Taylor album

25 easily bigger than any Taylor album

 

Rolling in the Deep, Someone Like You, Set Fire To The Rain, Hello, Easy On Me >>>>>>>>>> Taylor's #1 singles.

 

This having four weeks at no 1, more than Taylor last three number ones combined ( including All too well)

If it regains the number one for a fifth week, you can make that the same as Taylors last four number ones) 

[Hot Volcano]

Just now, Artistofthedecade said:

The Fame is also bigger than any Madonna or Taylor album but here we are

 

Not true, Madonna's Like a Virgin, True Blue and the Immaculate Collection eras did better than TF. But yes, TF is bigger than any Taylor era, thanks for the reminder.

 

Since you guys are STILL trying, let me put it like this 

Taylor Swift 
~7m units
+
Fearless
~10m units

=17m units

 

 

21

~17m units

 

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Speak Now
~6m units
+
Red
~8m units

= 14m units

25
~14m units

 

The way Adele's one album is bigger than Taylor's two albums combined  

 

 

[WildHeart]

7 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

It seems sad to me that you cant be happy without dragging 

That's a bit ironic coming from you, don't you think so? 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Artistofthedecade

[wastedpotential]

Just now, Virtual_Insanity said:

This having four weeks at no 1, more than Taylor last three number ones combined ( including All too well)

If it regains the number one for a fifth week, you can make that the same as Taylors last four number ones) 

1+1+1+3 = 6... I know incorrect math has been flying around all over the place in this thread but this is just basic arithmetic 

[Brando]

Wait.. I just realised.... Lauryn Hill is the most successful artist of all time. Her average units per album is 20mil

Literally no one else compares 

[LastKiss]

What is happening here

the girls are fighting

 

Taylor doing that with her best album

[Hot Volcano]

6 minutes ago, Brando said:

So if Artist X had 1 album in the entire discography that sold 20m copies and then retired, then Artist X is the most successful artist of all time because if you start comparing album by album with other artists they'd always win in the 1 vs 1 comparison and also always win in average units per album ratio. This logic

Except darling, sadly for you, we are not talking about just one album, we are talking about two consecutive albums that are some of the most successful albums of all time.

 

[WildHeart]

5 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Not true, Madonna's Like a Virgin, True Blue and the Immaculate Collection eras did better than TF. But yes, TF is bigger than any Taylor era, thanks for the reminder.

 

Since you guys are STILL trying, let me put it like this 

Taylor Swift 
~7m units
+
Fearless
~10m units

=17m units

 

 

21

~17m units

 

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Speak Now
~6m units
+
Red
~8m units

= 14m units

25
~14m units

 

The way Adele's one album is bigger than Taylor's two albums combined  

 

 

Maybe put it again because your numbers are wrong. 25 has 11M(which is on par with Fearless and 1989) and 21 has 14M units. But i appreciate your mental gymnastics again. 

 

Since we are not getting ready for olympics, 

Taylor has 65M units and Adele has 30M. 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Artistofthedecade

[georgechxng]

2 minutes ago, Brando said:

So if Artist X had 1 album in the entire discography that sold 20m copies and then retired, then Artist X is the most successful artist of all time because if you start comparing album by album with other artists they'd always win in the 1 vs 1 comparison and also always win in average units per album ratio. This logic

Adele managed to be the biggest seller of the year/world in 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016, 2021 so your point makes no sense.

 

Ngl, I feel bad even bringing up 21 to any conversation, no artist will ever have that in their career, it only happens one time per century the fact that she managed to pull that off 2x is truly remarkable.

[Hot Volcano]

3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Maybe put it again because your numbers are wrong. 25 has 11M and 21 has 14M units. 

Oh sweatie....

 

Adele
25
11x Platinum
Certification Date : August 22, 2017

 

Adele

21

14x Platinum
Certification Date : September 10, 2016

 

Adele's albums haven't been certified in years, those are just random guesses. For all we know, 21 could be at 18m units by now.

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Hot Volcano

[Virtual_Insanity]

5 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

1+1+1+3 = 6... I know incorrect math has been flying around all over the place in this thread but this is just basic arithmetic 

lwymmd had 3 .. lord. 

[Butters]

Just now, Elusive Chanteuse said:

She's outsold everyone else but Taylor Swift  and Drake though so how did you reach that conclusion?

 

She's still one of the biggest names in the industry but nowhere as untouchable as she was a few years ago when she what, tripled the first week record? It's clear that 25 was huge off the massive success of 21, but the overhyped 25 couldn't do the same for 30. A TFM/Born This Way/ARTPOP tea

[Brando]

6 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Except darling, sadly for you, we are not talking about just one album, we are talking about two consecutive albums that are some of the most successful albums of all time.

 

 

6 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

Adele managed to be the biggest seller of the year/world in 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016, 2021 so your point makes no sense.

 

Ngl, I feel bad even bringing up 21 to any conversation, no artist will ever have that in their career, it only happens one time per century the fact that she managed to pull that off 2x is truly remarkable.

the logic flew completely over your heads

the point was that you can't discount overall career success just because you want to focus on 1 or 2 albums that did exceptionally well 

[WildHeart]

Just now, Hot Volcano said:

Oh sweatie....

 

Adele
25
11x Platinum
Certification Date : August 22, 2017

 

Adele

21

14x Platinum
Certification Date : September 10, 2016

 

Adele's albums haven't been certified in years, those are just random guesses. For all we know, 21 could be at 18m units by now.

 

ADELE
Title: 25

11x Platin

Certification Date: August 22, 2017

 

ADELE

Title: 21

Certification Date: September 20, 2016

 

Title:FEARLESS

Highest Award:10X Multi-Platinum

Certification Date: December 11, 2017

 

Title:RED

Highest Award:7X Multi-Platinum

Certification Date: July 23, 2018

 

Title:SPEAK NOW

Highest Award:6X Multi-Platinum

Certification Date: December 11, 2017

 

Title:TAYLOR SWIFT

Highest Award:7X Multi-Platinum

Certification Date: December 11, 2017

 

And you assumed that Taylor’s albums somehow got zero sales since then? 

 

Which year are you joining? 2024 summer one? Let's stretch a bit more

[Hot Volcano]

1 minute ago, Brando said:

 

the logic flew completely over your heads

the point was that you can't discount overall career success just because you want to focus on 1 or 2 albums that did exceptionally well 

and you missed the point once again. The albums in questions haven't done "exceptionally well", they were historic, legendary, monster albums.

 

This is not a Norah Jones or a Lauryn Hill case. They sold that much in a climate where there were TON of other Diamond albums. Not the same case with Adele.

 

 

 

 

[Shendelzare]

The Katy and Gaga stans in here

 

[Hot Volcano]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

 

 

And you assumed that Taylor’s albums somehow got zero sales since then? 

 

Which year are you joining? 2024 summer one? Let's stretch a bit more

 

Yes.

 

Especially TS and Speak Now - nobody uses them.

 

I added a 1m units to Red and that's about it.

 

[Brando]

2 minutes ago, Butters said:

but the overhyped 25 couldn't do the same for 30

25 is garbage through and through (minus 2/3 songs). the GP didn't want to get fooled twice in a row. the promo machine and the fake hype didn't work this time

 

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what adele fans on this forum don't realise (and constantly bash me for it) is that i was a massive Adele supporter throughout the whole of 21 era and the start of 25 era, contributing to her success and celebrating all of her record breaking achievements. but after the dust settled and i realised how crap of an album 25 was, i turned on her. in my eyes she no longer deserved the hype and the success she was getting. and i think a lot of the general public ended up feeling the same. 

[4Real]

Yall talking about overall career sales to distract us from the fact that Adele is going from 3.4m to 833k sales first week huh? I know this is hard for you, Adele stans and OTH. I know yall were waiting for HDD to predict 2m sales so yall would be here celebrating how Adele "the real music industry" is DESTROYING Taylor Swift 

 

I actually like Adele, but this is so entertaining.

[Breathe On Moi]

Just now, Shendelzare said:

The Katy and Gaga stans in here

 

The way I’m trying to figure who’s on who’s side, I’m totally lost 

[Brando]

8 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

and you missed the point once again. The albums in questions haven't done "exceptionally well", they were historic, legendary, monster albums.

So? It still doesn't matter when comparing overall career success/stats. Releasing infrequently is a choice. A choice that works very well for Adell. But also a choice that can't be used against artists that do exceptionally well by releasing a lot more frequently. 

 

What most of you fail to realise is that Adele and Taylor are like apples and oranges. Almost none of their career paths and choices have any similarities. So you can't directly compare x album or single to another one. The only things you could really compare are overall career achievements. 

[WildHeart]

5 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Speak Now - nobody uses them

The album which is in top40 this week and getting 3.5M daily streams(mind you, that's more than some artists's biggest albums daily streams right now)? 

 

This is not boding well for your arguments i fear

Edited November 24, 2021 by Artistofthedecade