charts discussion HDD: Adele 833k (biggest debut of the year), Taylor 165k

[UnusualBoy]

4 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

Saying Taylor is bigger than Adele in the US just because she has more albums makes no sense.

The best way to compare is to compare in a mathematical and fair way.  Basically to put their four biggest eras against each other ( when 30 will finish it's rollout)

Pretty sure at the end it'll be Adele > Taylor. No matter what

If you gonna assume " If Adele released a lot of albums she wouldn't be as big" then they're just imaginary assumptions with 0 proofs.

The only way to prove which one is bigger right now is to compare with what we have.

What we know for now, is whenever Adele releases an album since 21, it turns out to be bigger than Taylor's albums in the long run. Factually. It's about to be her 4th album that will do that, once again.

 

I mean how it's fair if you're taking out half of Taylor's discography, it's not Taylor's fault that our fave is lazy and releases an album every 6 years  

 

Ok, let's do the breakdown in the way you want to, the US numbers with SPS are something like this:

 

Adele

19: 4 million

21: 14 million

25: 11 million

30: 3 million or a bit more if it serves longevity

Total: 32

 

vs

 

Taylor:

Fearless: 10 million ish

1989: 10 million ish

Red: 7-8 million

Speak Now: 7 million ish

Total: 35 million

 

Taylor still wins...

 

I stan Adele and I for sure know that she was almost untouchable at her peak and no one was pulling bigger numbers than her but also no one was pulling Taylor's longevity and consistency which is what gives her the edge...

 

[slw84]

39 minutes ago, Dingdong123 said:

Swifties and Adele stans need to stop

I thought they were the more refined bases because both their faves are top sellers but this thread is pure gold

 

I feel like i'm watching a nostalgic sitcom.

 

I hope the numbers get past 900k before it's all said and done.

[dylanx]

Adele and Taylor are kinda giving Celine and Madonna - the former had some massive, untouchable album sales at her peak, but the latter had such a strong work ethic and consistency that she ended up on top anyway.

[Hot Volcano]

5 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

19 +21 + 25 - ~30M Units

Fearless + Red + 1989 - ~30M Units

  not you picking the three most successful albums by Taylor. We can't know if Adele's 6th studio album will go Diamond or not. It is only fair to compare the albums in order.

 

TS > 19
21 > Fearless
25 > Speak Now

 

and we have yet to see how big will the 30 era be to compare it to Red 

 

So far, Adele is winning 

[WildHeart]

1 minute ago, Hot Volcano said:

  not you picking the three most successful albums by Taylor. We can't know if Adele's 6th studio album will go Diamond or not. It is only fair to compare the albums in order.

 

TS > 19
21 > Fearless
25 > Speak Now

 

and we have yet to see how big will the 30 era be to compare it to Red 

 

So far, Adele is winning 

The mental gymnastics 

 

Yeah, Taylor is as big as she was... in 2010. 

[Nova_23]

18 minutes ago, Coklek92 said:

Red TV second week still bigger than majority artists I- 

She’s literally insane 

[wastedpotential]

4 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

  not you picking the three most successful albums by Taylor. We can't know if Adele's 6th studio album will go Diamond or not. It is only fair to compare the albums in order.

 

TS > 19
21 > Fearless
25 > Speak Now

 

and we have yet to see how big will the 30 era be to compare it to Red 

 

So far, Adele is winning 

The fact that all three of Taylor's albums were released before 21. It's almost as if Taylor hasn't experienced any artistic and career growth in the past 11 years... 

[Virtual_Insanity]

15 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

19 +21 + 25 - ~30M Units

Fearless + Red + 1989 - ~30M Units

 

It has 1 version with "different covers". 

 

Btw, you were saying that Adele will debut with 1M+ with no doubt, why do you think it didn't happen? 

 

The album that charted only 26 weeks less than 25?

I wonder what that makes 25 as a +3M debut seller 

I was talking about RIAA units including pre release so she will. Already elegible for platinum. A 12 track album did that . 

[dylanx]

Taylor's success truly broke the brains of OTH's

 

"she's only successful because she releases music and has fans!!!"

[JawBreaker]

The fact that we are even comparing Adeles 4th album to Taylor's 8th and even 11th project shoud tell you everything 

[Jennifer]

Taylor has literally sold so much more than Adele in the US. They started around the same time so all comparisons are valid…doesn’t matter that Adele takes forever to release. 
 

Isnt Taylor’s career SPS total like double Adele’s in the USA? 
 

Having a bigger peak (MJ is the only one that can compete with Adele) does not mean bigger overall career ? How is this even a convo 

[JasperX]

The obsessions from both camps in this thread 

 

 

[WildHeart]

3 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

I was talking about RIAA units including pre release so she will. Already elegible for platinum. A 12 track album did that . 

 

On 11/22/2021 at 1:34 AM, Virtual_Insanity said:

And Adele will do over 1 million which is significantly higher than 600k so don't see your point. She does not rely on free streams to move numbers. 

Oh were you 

 

Since you said she doesn't rely on free streams to move numbers, i thought it was about pure sales... Maybe she needs them afterall, like everybody else. 

[Squall]

165k is really really good  

 

1M on lock at this point

[Virtual_Insanity]

3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

 

Oh were you 

 

Since you said she doesn't rely on free streams to move numbers, i thought it was about pure sales... Maybe she needs them afterall, like everybody else. 

 

Her pure sales are still significantly higher than anyone else, more than double actually. So yeah Adele is more than fine. 

[gustavothehuman]

35 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

Reputation is perhaps the +1M debut seller with the worst legs of music history.

It charted for 166 weeks and counting while also being elegible for 4x platinum, how is that bad? 

[Butters]

Well it's becoming clear Adele is not the untouchable ~general public~ juggernaut everyone thought she was.  

 

[Nova_23]

17 minutes ago, dylanx said:

Taylor's success truly broke the brains of OTH's

 

"she's only successful because she releases music and has fans!!!"

[WildHeart]

3 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

Her pure sales are still significantly higher than anyone else, more than double actually. So yeah Adele is more than fine. 

She is doing more than fine but people hiding behind her to drag Taylor might not be fine, at all. 

 

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Red TV doing 174k in second week, more than most albums's first week sales

[Brando]

55 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said:

Basically to put their four biggest eras against each other ( when 30 will finish it's rollout)

Pretty sure at the end it'll be Adele > Taylor. No matter what

not you expecting some astronomical numbers from 30

25 sold 1/3 of its total units in week 1. 

if 30 did the same it wouldn't even reach 3m. 

 

[Erotic]

Anyone saying they expected Folklore numbers from Adele's next album is really lying to themselves

 

 

 

[Hot Volcano]

21 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

The mental gymnastics 

 

Yeah, Taylor is as big as she was... in 2010. 

not you trying with the "mental gymnastics" drag when you picked Taylor's 3 best selling albums and compared it to Adele's 3 albums

 

21 easily bigger than any Taylor album

25 easily bigger than any Taylor album

 

Rolling in the Deep, Someone Like You, Set Fire To The Rain, Hello, Easy On Me >>>>>>>>>> Taylor's #1 singles.

 

[simmnfierzig]

27 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

  not you picking the three most successful albums by Taylor. We can't know if Adele's 6th studio album will go Diamond or not. It is only fair to compare the albums in order.

 

TS > 19
21 > Fearless
25 > Speak Now

 

and we have yet to see how big will the 30 era be to compare it to Red 

 

So far, Adele is winning 

In 2035?

[Hot Volcano]

1 minute ago, simmnfierzig said:

In 2035?

That was a sarcastic comment because that user picked Taylor's 6th album skipping some of her other albums

[WildHeart]

2 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

not you trying with the "mental gymnastics" drag when you picked Taylor's 3 best selling albums and compared it to Adele's 3 albums

 

21 easily bigger than any Taylor album

25 easily bigger than any Taylor album

 

Rolling in the Deep, Someone Like You, Set Fire To The Rain, Hello, Easy On Me >>>>>>>>>> Taylor's #1 singles.

 

The Fame is also bigger than any Madonna or Taylor album but here we are