TheFireLexus Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, FutureHive said: U talking in circles You can't read. That isn't news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureHive Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, TheFireLexus said: You can't read. That isn't news. "Hes talented but hes crap" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rabbit Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, TheFireLexus said: They may not be on his Vevo page but there are three lyric videos on verified channels all of which went up on the same day. Same with another audio on another verified page. The accounts even confirmed that they were commissioned by Republic records. Why do you think his YouTube views suddenly skyrocketed? What are you talking about? Both songs have two versions, that's the point. Rockstar is on both Today's Top Hits and Rap Caviar, no? But other songs are there because of "payola"? Both songs are benefiting from the same thing, that's the point. And I don't care how long Post Malone "stays". Won't change the fact I think he's lame. There are plenty of artists whose music I don't like who continue to succeed. Doesn't stop me from thinking they are crap. Those are different than releasing on their own channels. Every artist does that. He also went up from like #7-#4 on Youtube charts before and after Are you equating a completely new remix to a clean version and explicit version It's just funny to me that Havana took all of Post Malone's main producers and put them on one song. Based on your other comments, it doesn't look like you even like rap so your opinion is irrelevant Edited November 14, 2017 by B-Rabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdWardBey Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 hour ago, 5hfangurl said: Thunder will block Havana from #1 on pop radio. I can see Imagine D reaching #1 on BB too. Thunder is falling on radio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFireLexus Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, B-Rabbit said: Those are different than releasing on their own channels. Every artist does that. He also went up from like #7-#4 on Youtube charts before and after Are you equating a completely new remix to a clean version and explicit version I'm saying talking about Spotify playlist is rich when comparing Havana to rockstar It's just funny to me that Havana took all of Post Malone's main producers and put them on one song. Based on your other comments, it doesn't look like you even like rap so your opinion is irrelevant Lol I like rap a lot but that doesn't matter because that is not the issue here. And his daily YouTube views doubled. Whether the remix is new or not, both songs have two versions, both songs have multiple videos on YouTube, and both songs are on high-profile Spotify playlists. So the idea that one song (Havana) has the advantage over the other is ridiculous especially when Post has even more playlist exposure than Camila does. And why do you keep talking about writers/producers as if Post Malone doesn't have songs with up to NINE writers credited too? Camila has songs out that she's written with only one other person the same way Post does. And they both have songs written with multiple people, so what's the issue? You're complaining about the same things you're defending. The Spotify nonsense came from someone who accused Havana of "payola". 13 minutes ago, FutureHive said: "Hes talented but hes crap" And? Crap as an artist? He can sing and rap and play guitar but his artistic approach is wack. He has talent but I find the music he makes lame. Rockstar alone is like a parody made up of all the cliches someone could think of regarding rap music. Edited November 14, 2017 by TheFireLexus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rabbit Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, ThirdWardBey said: Thunder is falling on radio. Thunder November 14: Aud +2.085 Spins +735 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rabbit Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, TheFireLexus said: Lol I like rap a lot but that doesn't matter because that is not the issue here. And his daily YouTube views doubled. Whether the remix is new or not, both songs have two versions, both songs have multiple videos on YouTube, and both songs are on high-profile Spotify playlists. So the idea that one song (Havana) has the advantage over the other is ridiculous especially when Post has even more playlist exposure than Camila does. And why do you keep talking about writers/producers as if Post Malone doesn't have songs with up to 8 writers credited? Camila has songs out that she's written with only one other person the same way Post does. And they both have songs written with multiple people, so what's the issue? You're complaining about the same things you're defending. The Spotify nonsense came from someone who accused Havana of "payola". And? Crap as an artist? He can sing and rap and play guitar but his artistic approach is wack. He has talent but I find the music he makes lame. Rockstar alone is like a parody made up of all the cliches someone could think of regarding rap music. Post Malone was getting around 1.5 million a day before those lyric videos dropped. A remix is wayyyyyyy different than a clean and explicit version and almost uncomparable. I'm not discrediting Havana, I just think it's funny she took Post's main producers and put them on Havana Rockstar is actually talking about rock music with many references to rock incidents so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMythologies Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 hour ago, simmnfierzig said: I dont think there was a formula change. Where the diference is coming from... Nö idea I just used the streams from this week for it being outside of the top 10 as a starting point and increased from there. That certainly can be way off, but still wanted to get predictions out and it will be somewhere there I was convinced there must have been a formula change until I saw GG below BY on streaming. Now, I'm guessing they're just working with different info than we were given from YT insights or something. These chart oddities really stick in my craw tho. I have a feeling your way of sorting out its streaming #'s for next week will be the most accurate way but I can't help but feel GG is getting jipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdWardBey Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, B-Rabbit said: Thunder November 14: Aud +2.085 Spins +735 I didn’t even realize it was #2 on Pop already. Oh well, Thunder coming in as the dark horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slw84 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 13 hours ago, simmnfierzig said: Early predictions Used the old formula 1 Rockstar 418 (=) 2 Havana 382 (=) 3 Bodak Yellow 310 (=) 4 Thunder 307 (+1) 5 Too Good At Goodbyes 283 (-1) 6 Perfect 270 (+2) 7 No Limit 248 (+6) Havana is going to be stuck at #2 Bodak should be in the top 5 with ease for the next 3-4 weeks. Just enough time for No limit to reach top 5 so she can secure top 5 with 2 songs. thunder is a sleeper but I wonder if it can hit #1. Perfect might just have to settle for top 3. It probably would have already been #1 had it been released early in the era. 10 hours ago, Fruity said: Eminem's first single potentially not debuting top 10 is essentially unthinkable. And with a Bey feature You ain't slick ;) 8 hours ago, Roman Holiday said: I’m conflicted about No Limit. I love it, but I don’t want G Eazy to have another hit. He’s the worst. Well some are pretending it's really ASAPs song so maybe just consider him a feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5hfangurl Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, ThirdWardBey said: I didn’t even realize it was #2 on Pop already. Oh well, Thunder coming in as the dark horse. Sis it is about to hit #1 in overall audience. It’s already #2 on pop with same amount of days as Havana. It’s coming down to the longevity game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAN Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 The Havana shade is ridiculous. Camila and Post both discounted their songs on Friday. He even discounted a 2nd version. They also both uploaded new videos (Vertical Video v. Unofficial video). Camila released the remix 2 days into the tracking week in a completely different language featuring an artist who doesn't have any of his own hits in America. A remix that she has been planning before the song even hit Top 10. As for the songwriters comment. Havana was initially written by Camila. Her team brought in several different writers and they all made variations of the song. The original concept came from Camila herself. I do think Havana deserves the #1 spot. As she has also done in Canada and the UK, but I also respect the system so I know it doesn't deserve it yet. I predict Havana spends a 3rd week at #2 before moving into the #1 spot two weeks from now. Em & Bey has already been and gone, Ed has already released his video and G-Eazy is not a threat. I also think with how fast her airplay is growing that Tay/Future/Ed will take a while to top if that is in fact the next single. Imagine Dragons is not a threat either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentley Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, FAN said: The Havana shade is ridiculous. Camila and Post both discounted their songs on Friday. He even discounted a 2nd version. They also both uploaded new videos (Vertical Video v. Unofficial video). Camila released the remix 2 days into the tracking week in a completely different language featuring an artist who doesn't have any of his own hits in America. A remix that she has been planning before the song even hit Top 10. As for the songwriters comment. Havana was initially written by Camila. Her team brought in several different writers and they all made variations of the song. The original concept came from Camila herself. I do think Havana deserves the #1 spot. As she has also done in Canada and the UK, but I also respect the system so I know it doesn't deserve it yet. I predict Havana spends a 3rd week at #2 before moving into the #1 spot two weeks from now. Em & Bey has already been and gone, Ed has already released his video and G-Eazy is not a threat. I also think with how fast her airplay is growing that Tay/Future/Ed will take a while to top if that is in fact the next single. Imagine Dragons is not a threat either. So you thin Camila will take the number one eventually or Taylor? Im confused by your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillaCham. Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Bentley said: So you thin Camila will take the number one eventually or Taylor? Im confused by your statement. Neither Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator Azulito Posted November 14, 2017 ATRL Moderator Share Posted November 14, 2017 Rockstar DEBUTED at #2 and has maintained its popularity ever since so anyone acting like its success is undeserved or the result of payola should really stop embarrassing themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAN Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bentley said: So you thin Camila will take the number one eventually or Taylor? Im confused by your statement. Havana and then maybe Taylor. EDIT: Someone had to be #1 after Post. And it won't be Em, Imagine Dragons of GEazy. Edited November 14, 2017 by FAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Link Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nikolai. said: What don't people get about songwriting credits? It doesn't mean just the words, it includes the melody and chords. If you listen to it there's a lot going on, and it clearly worked. Havana is well liked by the GP as seen in the world wide charts, stop using this "payola" crap. It i a definite hit because it's a good song. I do know that, what I meant to say is that Camila herself had little to no input in ANY of those elements. She's not as "talented" or "special" as some of her blind fans here claim her to be. At least not more than Post Malone is. Just because he's not a sassy pop diva girl or an "attractive" male popstar it doesn't mean he doesn't have talent or should be looked down upon. And it's a "good song" according to what or whom? The charts? Cause I don't think Watch Me (Nae Nae) or Despacito could be considered as "good songs" by any metric and they were smashes WW. In the end if/when Camila goes #1 it will be because her label bought her a whole camp of writers, got her a remix with a trending artist (aiming for the obvious viral spanish factor), ordered a discount and on top of that is shoving her face down anyone's throat in any way possible (and yes, that includes payola). She's not the first nor the only one to do that but the facts are the facts. Edited November 14, 2017 by Mr.Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rabbit Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, FAN said: Camila released the remix 2 days into the tracking week in a completely different language featuring an artist who doesn't have any of his own hits in America. The disrespect.... Daddy Yankee is a legend and Reggaeton is huge Edited November 14, 2017 by B-Rabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGood2Me Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Rockstar is a horrible song. I don't get the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guaposhutter73 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Praying that horrible song “Havana” doesn’t hit #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Lust For Life is out of BB 200. It didn't even pass Honeywoon in numbers of weeks on there (17 weeks vs. 15 weeks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMythologies Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Well, one thing I have learned from separating YT from OD from programmed streams is that BB's formula pertaining to streaming is a lot more complex than we might guess. Or at least more than I realized. I don't really know all that much how YT streams work or how YT red works, but I would guess that YT streams are being divided in some way. I really got to hand it to @simmnfierzig for coming up with his own formula that does an amazing job of accounting for these intricacies. I'm working on re-tooling my formula a bit and gonna try and post early predictions tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olhiver Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Omg.mp3 the pressed souls on here. Havana it's doing Amazing Cmon Camila! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konan Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 56 minutes ago, Roberto said: Lust For Life is out of BB 200. It didn't even pass Honeywoon in numbers of weeks on there (17 weeks vs. 15 weeks). It makes sense since it has no promo besides singles and tour. the lack of easy-listening song and hype/controversy like Born To Die also hurts it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E•MO•TION Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Oh wow Havana has them SHOOK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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