base talk Why didn't "Flowers" give Miley Cyrus' career a new momentum boost?

[Gaia]

She doesn't do anything to cultivate a fan base. So it's entirely dependent on the catchiness of the music. 

[Vin]

 

Miley Cyrus isn't a "genuine" artist. She has no artistic sound. Arguably no artistic integrity. She just bounces around from genre to genre, but without the respect and artistic integrity of Beyoncé or Lady Gaga. Look at her album covers in consecutive order and that will tell you everything you need to know about her as an artist. For now, she wants to be White Tina Turner. Because there's no real distinctive Miley Cyrus sound or vision, she will always be overlooked and her success hinges on her last hit. Luckily for her, she's had one successful single for every era, but that's not a sustainable music career. She's getting away with it now... because she's young. If she doesn't start actually building a fanbase, by the time she's forty in a few years, when ageism sets in, she won't have hits (radio will stop playing her) and she won't have a fanbase and she'll be done as a recording artist.

 

...Vin

[FlyOnTheWall]

Well what exactly has she done to build upon Flowers exactly, OP? 

 

I love her but she's lazy, disconnected from her fans and has a borderline embarrassing team for someone of her caliber. She'll keep flopping/underperforming til the stars align again like they did for Flowers because she's generally loved by... pretty much everyone bar Dua Lipa/Ariana/Nicki stans and... weirdly Monsters but they kinda hate everyone anyway... so unlike Katy for example a poor reception by the GP isn't the problem, so another hit will always be a possibility but... we'll... she either has to get lucky again for that to happen or get her ass up and stop acting like she's Beyoncé or Mariah.

[St. Charles]

It did, the boost is just over

[Souvenir]

it was a fluke. I dont know why people are still confused about her flopping, i love her but it's truth. The gp has moved on from disney girls including my fave  .

[FlyOnTheWall]

27 minutes ago, Souvenir said:

it was a fluke. I dont know why people are still confused about her flopping, i love her but it's truth. The gp has moved on from disney girls including my fave  .

Eh, all three of them will always be somewhat relevant, at least among millennials. They'll just be far more inconsistent with success than Gen Z/Alpha girls or the girls that didn't come out of Disney at the same time because liking them back during their heydays was seen as "uncool" or "kiddy", a stigma that newer Disney girls don't even suffer from anymore no matter what demographic. It's unfortunate. They were the trailblazers for so many current girls but kinda had and still have it harder than all of them.

[Archetype]

I don't think Flowers was successful because of Miley, as much as I am a casual fan.  It was a very rare smash hit for her.  Otherwise, most of her music (which has been consistently good), doesn't perform that well commercially even though she deserves the success.  

Edited Sunday at 11:27 PM by Archetype

[Archetype]

56 minutes ago, FlyOnTheWall said:

weirdly Monsters but they kinda hate everyone anyway

Now you're just making **** up bc Monsters are Miley's second fanbase, what are you even talking about?  Pretty sure we streamed Plastic Hearts more than her core fans  

[lgaga1fan]

She doesn't tour and her live singing abilities have fallen off dramatically. She completely fell off of the planet during ESV's promo cycle and didn't use Flowers momentum to keep the era going. They tried to push Doctor and she clearly had plans to promote something else last year and her momentum completely died. No touring + no actual cultural presence means that waiting 2 years to shadow drop and announce a BUNCH of songs to literally no audience gives you a dead on arrival lead single.  It's not a shock that this new album has no hype around it because she didn't build any. She wont even actually talk about it and all of the posts about the album are written from a third person perspective. Bad marketing + no momentum going in = falling off. 

Edited Sunday at 11:34 PM by lgaga1fan

[lgaga1fan]

2 hours ago, magazine said:

Miley doesn't do generic music and that doesn't sit right with the GP

Her last album was ENTIRELY Adult Contemporary mid tempo pop music it's not as out there as you want it to be. 

[FlyOnTheWall]

25 minutes ago, Archetype said:

Now you're just making **** up bc Monsters are Miley's second fanbase, what are you even talking about?  Pretty sure we streamed Plastic Hearts more than her core fans  

Idk they've been weirdly rejoicing in the EOTW and its streaming thread (example the user above claiming her live vocals suck now, like? ) but if those are just outliers I'll take that back 

Edited Sunday at 11:52 PM by FlyOnTheWall

[GAGAxMONSTER]

It was a one off thing like Cher did with Believe. Sometimes, a woman of certain age gets lucky.

[Popboi.]

It was years ago and since then she released River, Jaded, Used to Be Young and Doctor (all which are different shades of mismanaged and wrong single options). The Flowers hype is obviously long gone, and she's not a new artist in the big mainstream so a huge smash doesn't result in her becoming the "shiny new thing" that the GP latched onto, it was more so a Believe than an Espresso.

 

EOTW flopping is more so to the audience not connecting to Miley on a personal level right now, these AI captions are not exciting, there's not much context to anything, also dropping 3 songs with little to no promotion each is confusing to casual fans. If she had a proper campaign for a comeback single (very much what she did for Flowers) it would be a different story.

Edited yesterday at 12:51 AM by Popboi.

[Busty Woman]

2 hours ago, Souvenir said:

it was a fluke. I dont know why people are still confused about her flopping, i love her but it's truth. The gp has moved on from disney girls including my fave  .

another Send It On would do the trick 

[Bubble Tea]

Didn't realise she hadn't toured in so long. Vaguely recall some interview about how she doesn't like touring or something, too much attention and an unhealthy relationship with other people? Honestly I can imagine it would make you very hot heated and egotistical, and also incredibly stressful, hundreds of jobs depending on you, as well as the tens of thousands of fans showing up for shows with flights and accomodation. Freaks me out at the thought. It would be so stressful if you got sick.

[DorothyVallens]

I know making up theories and discussing the success of songs is basically why this forum exists, but the truth is for a song to be a smash it has to resonate with the GP (unless you're Taylor and have a fanbase so huge everything you put out is a success). And sadly it is almost impossible to know what the masses will go crazy for. Sure, there's formulas, hot producers and tricks, but if the song doesn't click then it won't be a hit. Also, it's always necessary to have a narrative and to build momentum so that people know there's a new song out. But then it's on the music to be a hit or not.

[Aethereal]

5 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

It gave her two Grammys, her most successful album in a decade, a Beyoncé collab… II Most Wanted definitely wouldn't exist if Miley didn't have such a big hit. 

It is not far away from Plastic Hearts. 

[TheFireLexus]

5 hours ago, TalkThatRihanna said:

It was clear the success of Flowers wouldn't result into anything more when Jaded (which is an incredible song) flopped.

 

Her new single is also bland and nothing special, which doesn't help.

Did she even promote Jaded? It really felt like she did nothing to capitalize on the success of Flowers.

[Popboi.]

57 minutes ago, Bubble Tea said:

Didn't realise she hadn't toured in so long. Vaguely recall some interview about how she doesn't like touring or something, too much attention and an unhealthy relationship with other people? Honestly I can imagine it would make you very hot heated and egotistical, and also incredibly stressful, hundreds of jobs depending on you, as well as the tens of thousands of fans showing up for shows with flights and accomodation. Freaks me out at the thought. It would be so stressful if you got sick.

She said she now resents not feeling a direct connection to who she's singing to, so she dislikes large crowds (probably realized during her festival run for Plastic Hearts), also the pressure of having to move around. Honestly she would KILL IT in Vegas, but can't see her stepping out of Los Angeles anytime soon.

[MonsterNavy]

she has achieved everything a popstar wants back when she was a literal teenager. hit songs, smash albums, massive tours, icon status, awards, acclaim and more

 

she's only doing everything she wants right now

[Archetype]

3 hours ago, FlyOnTheWall said:

Idk they've been weirdly rejoicing in the EOTW and its streaming thread (example the user above claiming her live vocals suck now, like? ) but if those are just outliers I'll take that back 

Pretty sure that's a small chart-obsessed minority luv, and as long-time Liddos know, you can't always rely on charts.   We love Miley.  

[James_Joint]

I mean, she did have a top 10 debut with Used To Be Young.  I think it gave her momentum at the time, but not now. 

[Freakshowvato]

GP isnt interested anymore, only in her relationship drama

[terrorblade]

river killed it

[tonyle1911]

I think she was frustrated with touring back when she was Hannah Montana and Bangerz, that's why she avoided touring as much as she can. She was also insulted a lot back then by people, so it's normal if she decides to keep it lowkey. Her label and she probably didn't expect the success of Flowers at all so they didn't have resources to follow up with that rare success, besides, she's very lazy so I don't think she cares that much. Look at Sabrina and her label, how they exploited the success of Espresso. Lastly, Miley did make a lot of money from flipping houses so she has less motivation for musical commercial success