base talk GRAMMY voter on TTPD/HMHAS: "different version of the same album they've always made"

[right where you left me]

"I'm seeing a lot of Billie Eilish fans and a lot of Taylor Swift fans saying 'Why didn't they win? They were robbed.' No one was robbed. Billie Eilish is amazing. I love Billie, but why would I vote for Billie Eilish? It's the same album she always made. It's a different version of the same album she's always made. Taylor Swift - a different version of the same album she's always made. If you play me a song from two albums ago to now, it sounds the same."

[EnoughSaid]

And he didn't lie. Bey earned AOTY off the strength of 16 Carriages alone so I'm no longer entertaining anybody discrediting the win

[BuzzCharts]

This is why you don't expand the voting field.   He clearly didn't listen to HMHAS.

Edited February 7 by BuzzCharts

[WildAmerican]

yeah i could see that 

[DirtyPony87]

That's a wild thing to say about HMHAS as it's her best album and sounds nothing like the prior 2.

[mael]

Just let the girls lose in peace.....

 

 

[Taylor fanboy]

Stream BOAF and So High School.

[X~MoviePoP]

I mean taylor has no talent other than a few well written songs. Thats it. 

 

[Achilles.]

I fear Billie, Lana, and Taylor are all going to suffer to some degree as long as they insist upon working with the same main collaborator(s) on project after project. 

[Ubermensch]

That's very unfair to Billie. Beyonce transformed more but Billie was pushing herself too.

[coney island]

1 minute ago, Achilles. said:

I fear Billie, Lana, and Taylor are all going to suffer to some degree as long as they insist upon working with the same main collaborator(s) on project after project. 

We need to lock Jack up. He can stay in my basement. I'll make sure he is safe until it is time for his triumphant reunion with Taylor to work on TS20.

[commander]

The only song from HMHAS I could see in HTE is The Greatest. Other than that, the songs and style are vastly different from previous albums. At least he said he loves Billie lol.

[nostalgic]

Uninformed nonsense like this just goes to show it doesn't matter who the voting pool is, there's gonna be someone getting ****** over by idiocy

[cuteboyzay]

9 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

That's very unfair to Billie. Beyonce transformed more but Billie was pushing herself too.

It's still doesn't take a way from the fact that it's still very much the same break-up/love album they always make. Whether or not it be with a girl or a guy. It's the same thing over and over and over again. I will say HMHAS is one of the more intriguing releases though BY FAR in the regard. I think Billie helped a lot of people in the LGBTQ (specifically women) be able to express their sexuality.

 

But in this day and age, in this political climate. I truly do feel the music industry is going to come into a HUGE shift, to where most YT artists are going to HAVE to shift their music to where it's representative of their political and social awareness (not saying HMHAS isn't). HMHAS is truly one of the first Pop Girl releases that really did intrigue me since 2020.

 

That's literally the reason why Cowboy Carter won. It's one of the first of its kind in the music industry, and is one of the most ambitious albums of the 21st century. Very few pass that bar. But I've realized it's only black artist that have has the bravery and courage to do so. It's rare a YT artist tries to because they just grew up with different sets of privileges that makes them very unaware or secluded.

Edited February 7 by cuteboyzay

[Relampago.]

How does HMHAS sound like Billie's past albums? What songs has she made that sound like Lunch, Chihiro, L'Amour De Ma Vie, Bittersuite..? 
 

I'm tired of these "we have to tear down the others to justify Cowboy Carter!" You don't. Especially not with faulty arguments. Cowboy Carter is a great album and Bey's AOTY is long overdue. 

 

Someone can make the "same album" and improve upon it (HMHAS is undeniably Billie's best work imo, and you can make a different album that doesn't meet the quality of your past work (Cowboy Carter is generally not seen as Bey's magnum opus, at least not prior to AOTY). 

 

There's just a lot of hypocrisy going on. It was **** the Grammys, they're racist who cares (and they still are)! To quote APESH*T: Tell the Grammy's **** that 0 for eight sh*t. Then Jay-Z went on stage and advocated for his wife, despite the fact we allegedly don't care about Grammys. 

 

Then, Bey won, and yes, she's being unfairly criticized, just as Beck, Adele and Harry were. 

 

Bey won, HMHAS was a great album and extremely successful. Either album would have been an amazing winner, easily the top 2 imo.

 

But holy crap, just shut the f*ck up already. Everything around Bey is always so overblown and ****ing irritating. Let the woman win in peace and leave everyone else alone. 

[cuteboyzay]

Sonically HMHAS is verryyyy much like her other stuff. It's literally my favorite album by hers and is so brilliantly written. But I remember the FIRST thought I had of HMHAS when I first heard it literally minutes after it dropped was "She needs to work with someone else other than Finneas". 
 

He's NOT wrong in his analysis and I'm glad more of these Grammy voters and the music industry aren't setting the bar so INCREDIBLY LOW for YT artists.

Edited February 7 by cuteboyzay

[Jay07]

He didn't lie.

[Sugar-Rush]

[GraceRandolph]

Some people need to take off their stan goggles. He praised them but clearly wants to hear something new before rewarding them again. 

[Achilles.]

8 minutes ago, cuteboyzay said:

But in this day and age, in this political climate. I truly do feel the music industry is going to come into a HUGE shift, to where most YT artists are going to HAVE to shift their music to where it's representative of their political and social awareness

I'm not sure that's the case. Kacey Musgraves's whole pitch for Golden Hour was "the world is terrible and I just wanted to make a pretty album for people to bury their heads in the sand and forget about it all" and it was universally lauded by the same press and audiences that were tearing apart other artists for being "apolitical" in the first T— term. Considering where she started out with her debut, she was actually rewarded for getting less sociopolitical in her subject matter. And from what I can recall, she never went back to it again.

[Blackout2006]

Ehhh he's entitled to his opinion, I'm not going to @ him for it but I can't imagine songs like CHIHIRO, Lunch, and L'amour De Ma Vie's second half in Billie's previous albums. No, HMHAS was not genre-bending or completely new for Billie, but it was an evolution in her sonic style. She belts more in her ballads now, she dabbles in electronic music over trap unlike her EP and debut, she has made greater use of switching up in songs, enhanced her lyricism, her VOCALS are the most distinct aspect of this record, and more. 

[JJZAW]

In my opinion, Beyonce deserved AOTY. CC was awarded AOTY only because of her previous snubs and the Grammys want to make her up for it.

 

It's also my opinion that this is what makes a lot of fanbases mad: In isolation, the album CC doesn't deserve to win, in comparison with the other nominees.

 

There are other albums with the same amount of artistry as CC, but still managed to be part of the popular culture and be consumed by the GP, something CC is clearly struggling with. That's why there's a lot of criticisms

[NEX]

Not necessarily agree with his statement, but Cowboy Carter was easily the biggest artistic achievement of any album nominated. No one else could have pulled it off. 

[Elusive Chanteuse]

I liked Billies but he's not wrong.

 

[bad guy]

Ok  Billie's songwriting on HMHAS was definitely her most vulnerable, introspective, and honest yet. And sonically speaking where would Chihiro, BOAF, L'Amour de ma Vie, Bittersuite, or Blue fit on any of her previous albums? Production wise it's objectively her most polished and cohesive album yet. I guess she didn't go full Björk but she definitely elevated her artistry. That said I also wouldn't mind to see her experiment more.