base talk Has Taylor Swift reached legend status?

[Incandescent Glow]

You know it's bad when even non-Swifties are calling you delusional to say otherwise. 

 

Also, members will hate on her for pop music being more singer-songwriters-oriented now and less about groundbreaking visuals, but in the same breath say she didn't have any impact on the musical landscape. 

[ABeyBraith]

Her success is legendary for sure 

[Wicked]

15 hours ago, Shinkirou said:

For me she is. I think some people may feel like she isn't because her work isn't exactly groundbreaking. She isn't pushing music into the future or developing new sounds, she's just doing conventional pop music really really well. She's "changed the game" on the business side of the industry, but on the creative side her impact is more subtle than even some smaller artists like Gaga.

 

I do wonder how that will pan out in say, 30 years from now. Will people still remember her legacy because it's "timeless"? Or will they forget it because it failed to set a landmark in the overall landscape?

Yep, pretty interested in how this fairs when there's other singer-songwriters who are pushing boundaries musically with more daring production and instrumentation.

 

 

[Jay07]

She hasn't had any breakthroughs musically or visually so if commercial success is enough to make you a legend, then so is Ed Sheeran. 

 

I struggle to think of any true legends (not the bastardized ATRL version that bored trolls use for stan wars) that made it solely on their commercial strength without truly monumental artistic and cultural contributions. Aretha Franklin is a legend. Marvin Gaye is a legend. Michael Jackson is a legend. Does the Shake It Off chanteuse belong in that club? And for everyone using AOTY as a shield, Taylor has more AOTY Grammys than all of them put together so make of that what you will.

Edited January 13 by Jay07

[right where you left me]

She hasn't reached it by ATRL's standards. She doesn't dance, can't sing like Whitney/Mariah, write about explicit sex, or make gay club bops.

 

[mxoonlight]

Anyone saying no is lying to themselves. There's plenty of reasons to not like her or challenge the reason why she's championed and other artists are boxed in, but come on lol

[Mr. Stratus]

Look at how the GP reacted to her last AOTY win. I think she has some more to prove, her lyrics are cringey and she hasn't had a defining performance moment. It'll take more time 

[JustHoran]

No. I don't see her or think of her as a legend. In a few years though, she 100% will be. She's definitely huge right now and the biggest pop girl and will be a legend, I just don't see it yet. She's still very current and just a main pop girl right now.

Edited January 13 by JustHoran

[JustHoran]

1 hour ago, Mr. Stratus said:

Look at how the GP reacted to her last AOTY win. I think she has some more to prove, her lyrics are cringey and she hasn't had a defining performance moment. It'll take more time 

She needs an iconic performance and she just doesn't have one yet.

[CherryBay]

She is far from it.. two good album, maybe three …and plenty of variants aka sales doesn't make you a Legend.

[Dear Reader]

20 minutes ago, JustHoran said:

No. I don't see her or think of her as a legend. In a few years though, she 100% will be. She's definitely huge right now and the biggest pop girl and will be a legend, I just don't see it yet. She's still very current and just a main pop girl right now.

a Main Pop Girl can be a legend. Look at Beyoncé and Taylor, they have both debuted long ago and are still very relevant. One thing doesn't cancel out the other.

[Sawk]

Taylor Swift is a legend. I'd argue she reached that during Folklorevermore and then Midnights cemented her status. 

[Vixen Eyes]

On 1/11/2025 at 10:27 AM, A Million Lights said:

Maybe an icon. She's not on Adele, Beyoncé and Gaga league yet.

None of these women are legends

[Dante]

what has she done that's legendary? in the eyes of general public...

sold plenty of records and tickets... that's not what makes a legend.

[SlimyGhoul]

Honestly, love her or hate her, she really really has. She's built something insanely huge and historic. Good for her.

[ericcartman]

18 hours ago, Vixen Eyes said:

None of these women are legends

Huh? Beyonce clearly is. Adele and Gaga are not there yet I agree.

[Comedor]

I don't think she has it in her. She's very successful though let's celebrate that!

[woohoo]

Is this a serious question. The only huge pop girls pre 2010 I'd argue  weren't are Katy because she just didn't have a long string of success and Rihanna just because she quit music. Pre 2016 Rihanna was unstopped. Next in line is Ariana for legend status. 

[prézli]

Lol. Absolutely not.

[alestevens]

According to ATRL, to be a legend you have to very much be a thing of the past. So by that very definition, Taylor, who has managed to remain extremely successful all the way accross her almost 19 year old career, would NOT be a legend yet.

 

Maybe when she finally gets to tank like other ATRL faves have done repeatedly in the past she'll be considered as one

[superben]

Technically, yes. The only she needs now is time. People still find Taylor too recent to be called a legend, but if she completely retires now, her to-date discography and achievement will for sure make people recognize her as a legend in 20 year time.

[Bloo]

Anyone saying "no" is deluded.

 

She may not be your cup of tea, but she's still the biggest artist to debut in the 21st century by a giant margin.

 

I swear, if ATRL was a thing in Aretha Franklin's era, y'all would say she had no impact because she lacks gay club hits and has no iconic choreography number.

[Oktober Knight]

Well duh, of course she has. And I say that as someone who doesn't consider myself a fan. Her sales and tour numbers are impressive AF.

[WildHeart]

On 1/11/2025 at 7:55 PM, Rev8 said:

Not saying No, but..

 

..reminder that "Legend" doesn't mean having the most sales, biggest tour, all of the awards and etc..

Top 10 biggest artists of all time are all legends tho... 

 

On 1/12/2025 at 3:00 PM, Giorgoc said:

Sales, sales, billions, billions, sales, sales.

 

It's not all about that, although many (NOT all) always focus on that. 

Saying that she has no cultural impact when 3/5 biggest new girls at the moment (Olivia, Sabrina, Gracie) are all taydaughters is peak delusion 

 

On 1/13/2025 at 9:47 AM, Jay07 said:

She hasn't had any breakthroughs musically or visually so if commercial success is enough to make you a legend, then so is Ed Sheeran. 

Comparing an artist who fell off after 7 years to an artist who is still at the top after 20 years and thinking you made a point with that is crazy 

 

 

 

[gerardsuxx]

Icon since 1989, legend since Midnights